Will Djokovic now revert to being owned by Nadal?

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Will Djokovic now revert to being owned by Nadal?

  1. Yes, Nadal has opened the floodgates and will win the majority of future encounters with Djokovic

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  2. The H2H will be split evenly from now on

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  3. Nothing has changed - Djokovic will still win the majority of future encounters with Nadal

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  1. tank_job

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    I always felt like Djokovic's recent H2H lead over Nadal was brittle.

    Once the Spaniard forced a win over him, it would domino out of control for Djokovic, and he would once again start to be owned by Rafa.

    Now the first win has happened, what do you guys reckon will happen with respect to the H2H?
     
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  2. Magnetite

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    I personally think Nadal will still have the edge on clay, with Djokovic having the edge on hard courts.

    On grass it's a toss up at this point, until they play each other more on that surface.

    I could be wrong, but this seems to be the most likely scenario.
     
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  3. Sentinel

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    Yes, let's go by the result of the last match.

    Noel will shake this off in a week and be back to normal, although he's not been at 2011 level this year, so the matches with Ralph will be closer with R taking some.
     
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  4. Feather

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    Rafa is gonna start losing to others also. Just wait sir :)
     
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  5. monfed

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    Here we go. It's that time of the season again. :roll:
     
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  6. NadalAgassi

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    I picked the middle option but it really has nothing to do with the Monte Carlo final. I always figured it would be the middle option. People on planet TW are clueless bandwagon jumpers amongst many other things.
     
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  7. DjokovicForTheWin

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    So you admit that if the H2H is not even from now on, you are the one that is clueless?
     
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  8. Feather

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    Rafa is NOT gonna own Novak in a million years.
     
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  9. Evan77

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    Djokovic is simply a better player than Nadal. MC win by Rafa means nothing. Novak had to deal with too much ****. watch Novak spank Rafa next 7 times ... Nadal is an one dimensional player, not even close to Djokovic and Federer ...
     
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  10. tennis_pro

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    We'lll talk after their next match. I got a feeling that Djokovic won't have the pressure of kicking Nadal's a** each time they play from now on, though. Nadal on the other hand won't be super determined as in the previous 7 meetings to finally beat Novak as he's already got a win.

    It's not like Nadal has suddenly found a solution, people. If Djokovic plays anything closeo to his best there is nothing Nadal can do to beat him, period.
     
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  11. Bud

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    It seems the pattern over the last 15+ months was that Nadal continued getting closer and closer to winning their matches. Djokovic peaked in 2011, when he was nearly untouchable on every surface and is now heading slowly downhill.

    AO 2012 Nadal was up a break in set 5 and once again mentally burped. I think many could feel a potential turning point with that match, however.

    Let's wait until Novak evens up their H2H. It's currently 17/14 Nadal. Djokovic has now come back from the stratosphere and wins will not come as easily in 2012.
     
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  12. Fedfan34

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    What is it, your period Nadal tards?

    Sheesh. Rafa should be considered the favorite on clay even if Novak was still playing at his peak level by virtue of the fact that Rafa has dominated that surface as no surface has ever been dominated before. Having said that, I still think Djesus can beat Rafa if he plays well, and that goes for Roger as well. This does not mean I expect either Roger or Djesus to be favorites against him. Them beating him would be the upset, not the expectation.

    On other surfaces, I give the edge to Djesus, just because IMO it seems as if his game is far better suited to grass and HC than Rafa's.
     
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  13. Evan77

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    Nadal is getting closer to nothing. It's your illusion or shall I say wishful thinking. Plus, what really p!ssing me off is all that 'knee problem' Rafa supposedly has... the biggest **** in the universe. I used to like Nadal and I don't have any respect for him any more.

    Roger has a big mouth but at least he speaks up his mind. Rafa is a loser who tries to satisfy everyone but he is so fake... oh yeah 2 year ranking, oh my knees. oh my hair ... blah, blah...
     
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  14. MichaelNadal

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    I pretty much agree with this, as long as Nadal doesn't revert to his 2011 clay form, he has the edge on clay, Novak has the edge on HC and we will see about grass if they meet at Wimbledon. Slight edge to Rafa if he beats Novak a couple more times before then.
     
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  15. glazkovss

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    Djokovic is bored of dominating. After his recent heroics at majors, MC should seem like a mickey mouse tournament - just a warm-up for RG.
     
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  16. Evan77

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    we'll see about that edge on clay in Madrid and Rome... not so sure about it. Djokovic beat him pretty comfortably last year at Wimbledon.
     
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    agree with you, plus whatever you people say, losing someone so close in your family is a never an easy thing ... kudos to Nadal, I don't want to take anything away but still ... I can only imagine how Djokovic felt after he heard that his beloved grandpa had passed away ...
     
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  18. Magnus

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    Djokovic can kiss his ranking goodbye. He's not playing nearly as well as he did last year and he's got tons of points to defend.
     
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    hm, excuse me, who is going to take over ... NOBODY, you are being silly... djoko defended the AO, and Miami, he got to the final of MC which he didn't play last year .... too many silly (stupid) people on this board including you ... sorry man. you don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    All he has to do is play better than everyone else,and so far he has.
     
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    I remember saying after the Fedal Indian Wells match that I would wait until Fed manages to beat Nadal in consecutive matches before I'd get excited (if he ever beats Nadal twice in a row again).

    Considering Djokovic and Nadal aren't scheduled to play each other until Madrid I'd still exercise a little caution here. If yesterday's match had been an epic on the scale of Madrid '09 or Miami '11 and Nadal had still won, then maybe it would be different, but when these top elite players are beating each other this handily I think it's more an indication that the loser, for whatever reason, just didn't show up.

    If they meet in Madrid my favourite is still Novak, but if they meet in Rome my favourite would be Nadal, and again at RG.
     
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  22. Shady_Sawyer

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    his grandpa's death is not the reason why he lost to nadal. He lost to him coz he didnt give a damn. woulda have happened anyway coz he is not choosing his battles wisely. if you keep putting yourself in positions where you have to play your main foe all the time you are bound to get bored.
     
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  23. FlamEnemY

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    ^ Even if he didn't give a **** (which I doubt), it would have been precisely because his mind was already in Serbia.

    I agree with Hood_Man here, this match was no indicator of their future encounters.
     
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  24. Evan77

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    when I think about it, I actually agree with you in a way ... I watched the match again this morning and Djokovic seemed to be so disinterested and flat ... I really don't want to take anything away from Nadal tho ... as I said before I don't even understand why Novak even entered MC... who knows?
     
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  25. ZeroSkid

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    I agree with this:)
     
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    again, to be honest with you, I don't know. I wouldn't say he didn't give a ****. I read a lot about tennis players, and I do know how close Djok was with his grandpa who thought him to never give up etc. He was a very special figure in his life. I think that Nole felt like 'hey let's fight, life goes on'... 'I can sit and cry and what good is that going to do' ... he lost to Rafa who simply played better... I'm not trying to excuse Djokovic in any way ... but he played a horrible match ...
     
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  27. Murrayfan31

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    Monte-Carlo is the only court on Nadal's schedule that heavily favors his game over Djokovic's. The rest of the year will be on quicker and/or lower bouncing courts.
     
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  28. jackson vile

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    You should not take things for granted like that, what happened at the 2011 WTF? The reality is that Novak can defeat both peak Federer and Nadal on any surface, however he has to be playing his best tennis possible to do it as that is what it will take.
     
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  29. ledwix

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    Anyone who says that whoever won the latest H2H meeting between two players will never lose again to the other player is a naive sports analyst indeed.
     
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  30. nadal_slam_king

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    Djokovic only wins as much as Nadal allows him to win. When Nadal is playing his best, Nadal wins the US Open no matter what anyone does. Nadal plays bad, he loses to Del Potro in straight sets at the US Open or Djokovic in 4 sets at the US Open. Nadal plays his best and he only gets broken 5 times in the entire US Open. And I haven't even mentioned Wimbledon, where even playing a very nervous match Nadal was able to breadstick Djokovic last year and also break Djokovic's serve in the 4th set. Now with his confidence back, Nadal will take back his titles and move within a couple of Federer's 16 slams and then finish off that record in 2013-14.
     
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  31. Evan77

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    lol, the biggest BS ever. Djokovic owns Nadal, like it or not. Novak is 4000 points ahead of Nadal and you are just are just a Rafatratd (you must be from India, not sure why Indians love Rafa so much), I can't even believe you can post something stupid like this, lol ... Djokovic is clearly #1 ... Nadal winning MC means nothing ... hahah, regarding W, oh boy, go watch that match again... you know ****, but suit you self you poor blind boy ...

    Gee, can you be more stupid than this ... "Djokovic only wins as much as Nadal allows him to win", hahahha... this is too good.... man, ask for a brain transplant ... what an idiot ... can you be more stupid than this, I guess not ...
     
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  32. tennis_pro

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    I mean I can ignore a lot of crap from you but to say that Djokovic beat a "nervous Nadal" at Wimbledon when he had one of his best serving days ever, especially in the first set which he served at 81 % and still lost 6-4, come on now...:)
     
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  33. billnepill

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    If Nadal doesn't play his best in 7 out of 7 finals the probability is that "his best" doesn't exist as such
     
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    Roger will return and destroy them both muahahahahah!!!
     
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  35. DRII

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    Exactly!

    And notice how these clueless ones are readily stating that Nole is not at his 2011 level but found it impossible to admit that in 2011 Nadal was not at his 2010 level: hypocrisy much!
     
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  36. Lyzerd

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    I think Djokovic's grandpa dying may have affected his play.
     
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  37. NadalAgassi

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    Very true. It is a pretty simple concept, no player plays their best for their whole career, even their very best. People seem to understand this easy reality when it comes to Federer or Djokovic, and to an even greater extreme certain "special" players like Nalbandian and Safin who seemingly are allowed to play their best only 2% of the time but retain some sort of unofficial uncrowned GOAT status, but not for Nadal.
     
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  38. GOAT BAAH!!!

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    I have been saying this for the past week.
    These trolls simply don't understand Roger's game plan for the season.

    His return and dominance will be a sight to behold.
     
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  39. nadal_slam_king

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    2011 Wimbledon is the most nervous Nadal has ever looked in a grand slam final. Played the big points worse than I've ever seen. No doubt about that. What is the point of serving well if you don't deliver on the big points? If Djokovic wins its because Nadal allows him to win. Djokovic had his year of picking up the left-overs. Nadal won't let that happen again.
     
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    This for me is like the Federer& Nadal rivalry.The tone was truly set after Federer had narrowed the h2h at 8-6.

    It was after Federer had just dominated at the year end,and then the wheels fell off.Federer wins against Nadal but Nadal has such a tactical adavantage over Federer that if Nadal gets into the match by the second set then Fed is toast.

    Djokovic has found the blueprint of how how to beat Rafa.He only needs to find his best form and his best beats Rafa.

    Rafa knows he needs a slight off day or he needs 5% extra in his game.He needs another level because tatically Djokovic has his number.The only way this becomes more even is if Djokovic loses it mentally otherwise it's as you were.
     
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  41. Tenez101

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    Yes, just like Nadal reverted to being owned by Federer.
     
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  42. IvanisevicServe

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    Djokovic is gonna turn into a UE machine?

    This was quite clearly the worst match the guy has played since 2010. I wouldn't make too much of it. Rafa won't be serving 80% too often, and Djokovic won't be making errors after every 3 shots. He'll continue to dominate the matchup.
     
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  43. Slice&Smash

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    By looking at the way Djokovic has been winning his matches against Nadal, it seems unlikely that this one win will change the pattern. Just like Federer winning Hamburg 2007 didn't mean much.

    Nadal needs a couple of consecutive and hard fought wins against a focused Novak if he wants to remove the mental block completely.

    A win against a grieving player the day after his grandfather's funeral doesn't really instill a lot of confidence in the winner's mind. It was clear Novak was way below his 2010 levels.

    However, Novak's level has dropped since last year and we don't know the emotional effect of this family tragedy on him. If trend continues, we could be back to 2010 results.
     
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    only the GSs count
     
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    Comparison of Nadal/Djokovic H2H and Nadal/Federer H2H are not comparible, because with Federer there was NEVER a period where Federer was dominating Nadal. However, there WAS a period early in the rivalry where Nadal was dominating Djokovic.

    This, to me, suggests that Nadal is a bad match-up for Djokovic, and only Djokovic's 2011 form could overcome the match-up disadvantage. Now Djokovic's 2011 form seems to have gone, we may see a return to the period where Nadal was dominating Djokovic because of that inherant match-up advantage that Nadal has.

    Being a left-hander gives you an inherant advantage over every righty - no matter how good their backhand may be.
     
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  46. Mike Sams

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    Even Federer managed to sneak in a few wins against Nadal here and there which excited Fed fans who kept thinking "Roger's finally solved Rafa!" Only to end up disappointed.
    Rafa fans will be disappointed again when Djokovic's fire returns once the grieving process is over.:(
     
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  47. Magnus

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    Right, and you do. Go find something to play with.
     
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  48. Mike Sams

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    Madrid, Rome and Roland Garros will tell us everything we need to know.:)
    "Let's see if everybody can keep up!" -Djokovic in 2012
     
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    Except Rafa was never owned by Djokovic to begin with, he's never stopped leading the h to h, the exact opposite of the Rafa/Fed trend.
     
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  50. Noltae

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    This thread further laments my need for new blood in the rankings - I mean I love sporting rivalry as much as the next - but this "will Nadal or will Djokovic and don't forget Fed and don't write off Murray" type stuff is getting seriously long in the tooth - Tsonga for Wimbledon !
     
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