Will Federer Fall in a Tailspin?

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  1. Murrayfan31

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    I think so. This was the tournament he was supposed to win. Djokovic took it away from him. Federer has got to be a headcase right now. Who knows if Fed ever comes back from this crushing defeat. I feel bad for the guy.
     
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    He made the final, so he can try to go one step further next year. I think Murray should consider retirement :twisted: by your twisted logic. He lost to Shanking Choking ******* :)
     
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    There are some positives to Federer play in this match. He was trully bossing Djokovic around but in the big points he missed by millimeters.

    Can't wait to bump this next year when he wins a significant title(ms1000/GS)
     
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  4. FEDERERNADAL13

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    I hope Fed responds like he did after losing to Djokovic at the USO 2011. If he can come back very strong like then, we could see Rogi lift the AO 2013 trophy!

    (Wishful thinking on my part) :)
     
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    Also Murray the headcase right now....faliing in Tokyo, Shanghai and Paris with MPs.

    Lost a winnable match against Federer yesterday....gave it away his cowardice after Federer broke back.
     
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    Don't feed the troll.
     
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    Murray is still young though. Plenty of time for him to gain confidence again. But Federer always used the indoor season to gain confidnece for the rest of the season. This is the first time in a while that he can't do that. It's like Nadal losing on clay.
     
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    Not like he was serving for a GS title, Fed will be fine
     
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    Federer's got 17 Slams and 6 YEC titles. More than enough to draw confidence from, wouldn't you say? Besides, he's at #2 for the year, above Murray who is at #3.

    PS - LOL
     
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    I value your opinion but i certainly dont share it.
    Federer is very very close to be winning this match and it was in no real sense any gauge of a tailspin incoming for him.
     
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    Federer will come back MUCH stronger and better...!

    He is a true Phoenix!

    Fire is still inside him.
     
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    On the contrary, that the match was once again on Fed's racquet at age 31 after playing 3 consecutive days, while Novak at his peak with a day of rest, says a lot. It took UE's on crucial points by old man Fed for Novak to win. It's the only way he could have won imo.
     
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    It's possible. Then again that's what people said when Nadal took Wimbledon from him in 2008. Of course, Fed is older now and no matter how much he wants to deny it, he will have to face the fact that the end of the journey is nearing sooner than later. The best have been there and he'll have to get there too.
     
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  14. Murrayfan31

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    Great post. Would read again.
     
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    I'd be more concerned if I were Djokovic than Federer. He should be at his peak yet a tired 31-year-old was going toe-to-toe with him the whole match.

    If Federer comes back refreshed next year, who knows...he might take the AO and have people thinking "he's going on another run" until he immediately cools off and struggles again, a la 2010.

    But for Djokovic, he's slightly older than Federer was at this time in 2006, and he probably has a bit more mileage on him as well. Murray knows he can beat him, and it looks like Del Potro might start to believe he can as well.
     
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    Seriously, stop it. I'm sicked to death with this prime talk crap. Fed is Fed. Novak is Novak. They both have different paths to follow.

    END OF DISCUSSION
     
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  17. monfed

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    I like Roger as much as the other Fed fan(not the pretentious "open-minded" Fed fans, you know who you are)(but guys like tennis_pro,vlbj,fed_rulz kishnabe,cheers folks you have my support ) but I have to put my hands up and say it's time to hang up his racquet, the man aint winning anything worth noting next season. Yes I do love watching him play, the guy is just so incredibly pleasing to the eye, but then these losses are too much...

    Blowing a 40-15 5-4 lead on your best surface is just fracking atrocious. Please just retire already,Roger, you've had an unbelievable career!
     
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    Lol, so there are Fed fans more in denial than Fed himself, how cute...
    Djoko is not trying to have Fed's career. He's being himself and having a nice little career of his own. No need to be bitter about it.
     
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    I agree!! But i want to watch Federer play once before he retires :) and i want him to retire after winning wimbledon! it will be a great exit
     
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    If there's one thing that's set Federer apart from your average tour player is just how quickly he can forget bad losses. The guy has great selective memory.
     
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  21. monfed

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    Yea ok but his selective memory isnt' gonna win him squat in the future when he just CANNOT hang with these robots.
     
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  22. papertank

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    If was Federer I would not be discouraged by today. He did everything he could, he executed his game very well and made some amazing shots. The match could have very easily gone either way.
     
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    31 year old Federer is still great. Today he played much much better with fewer shanks. He just failed during the clutch points. It is not going to happen this way every time. I think he still has 1 major left.
     
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    It's funny how the talk quickly goes to "owning", "crushing", "destroying" and so in these discussions. The margins between the top three (Nadal is an unknown known at this point) guys are tiny right now. The WTF could have easily swung the other way with a couple of balls clipping the line that were called out. Federer knows that, Djokovic knows that - there won't be any tailspin next year. Federer will still be a threat in all of the majors by virtue of the fact that he can beat anyone on any given day and there's a drop off to the next couple of guys Delpo and Berdych being obvious landmines. By adjusting his priorities, easing off on his schedule and staying slightly fresher next year I'm hoping to see number GS #18 at some point. Any slam would be good but French or Wimbledon would be delightful.
     
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    Quick vote. Would you rather have the Well-Tempered Clavier or the World Tour Finals? I know this is random but we'll see the results. haha
     
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    On the topic of randomness, you should add a Well-Tempered Cleaver.

    World Tour Finals with Clavier playing on the changeovers :D
     
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  27. Al Czervik

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    Federer can beat anyone on any given day, but I think the days of him beating 2 or 3 out of Murray, Djoker, Del Potro, Rafa, Berdych, Tsonga, etc in one major may be over.
     
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    What were you saying in 2009 when Davydenko blasted him off the court?

    Federer was a mere 2 points away from winning the 1st set. He wins that, he probably wins the match. No reason to retire because he didn't win the big points today.

    He's also clearly been fatigued for a while now. He was having to lunge to his forehand constantly and still hung in there.
     
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  29. ninman

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    Federer has blown bigger leads than that. Lleyton Hewitt 2003 Davis Cup, for example.
     
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    I think the time to retire is not when you start losing, but when you stop enjoying it.

    Sampras went 31 tournaments (I think) without a win, before he won the 2002 US Open, then decided he'd had enough.

    Federer will know when it's time.
     
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  32. monfed

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    I agree with you 100%,ninman. Don't mind me,I just feel aweful about Roger blowing this match when he had it in his grasp. Instead of being a magnificent end to 2012, it turned out to be a bit of an anticlimax,that's what's really sad about it. Reminds me of his 2005 TMC final with Nalbandian when he was serving at 5-4 30-0 in the final set I think it was.

    And good lord I would never want Roger to retire, just watching him play is enough but I wish as a fan I don't have to deal with such crushing losses anymore(havent we as fed fans endured enough?),that is all. Have a pleasant day.
     
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    If you watched how Federer lost to Novak in the USO 2011 semis, this is nothing...
     
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    This was actually similar.

    I could almost feel that Federer was going to lose the break advantage in the second. His service games began to feel very slow, labored, slimy as if he was not serving but returning - such difficult were all the points. After he was broken back, I could clearly see him losing in straights. The game became slower and slower, tougher and tougher, Federer stopped hitting to the corners and started to just return the ball to the middle. He was out of ideas. It reminded me of his loss to Djokovic at their last AO meeting - the same hopeless attempt to engage in topspin backhand rallies.

    Federer gets into that mental trace when he sees the opponent is a mental wall, because for Federer, mental is part of the game, but Djokovic was not playing games with him. This is how Federer loses to Nadal typically - he plays very mechanically when he is not sure what else could work.

    Compare Federer's tactics at the end of the match with those at the beginning. Initially he was creating geometry there, mixing things up, hitting hard, painting lines. End of the match: wall practice.
     
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  35. akv89

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    We've endured 17 majors.
    This was not that bad a loss in comparison some of his more difficult losses (USO 2011, USO 2010, AO 2009, Wimbledon 2008, RG 2008 ).
     
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    This entire post applies to Nadal more than it does to Fed. Too bad reality escapes you,and you can't see what's right in front of your face.
     
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  37. kimbahpnam

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    i've never heard anyone using the last tournament of the season before a break to gain confidence starting the next calendar year.
     
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    I don't think this loss was too bad. He had his chances, but he has blown matches much worse than this. If anything, this may be the kick in the pants he needs to play a couple of months of good tennis before he reverts back to being unable to close out matches again.
     
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  39. jokinla

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    You posted Federer several times here, clearly you meant Murray.
     
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  40. Murrayfan31

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    Nope. Federer's best surface is indoors. Murray prefers outdoors as he is great with the elements. US Open Final is a great example of that.
     
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    Since 7 is greater than 6, I'm gonna say that grass is his best surface, but to answer your troll, sorry post, when I read things like "headcase", I think of Murray, not Fed, when I read, "fall in a tailspin", I recall Murray's losses to Donald Young and others last year and have the perfect image of someone in a tailspin.
     
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    If Fed still wants to play tennis, he needs to work on some issues, yes, even at the age of 31. There's nothing much he can do with his physical game (except maybe work on his serve that failed him at WTF).

    However, what Fed can do is work on his poor shot selection, analyze it and improve. I mean, just look at the first set TB against Nole. Fed just hit a glourious shot and manged to get back to 5-5. What does he do in the next point? Try to go for an impossible BH DTL on the first shot (where he knows the chances for making that one were very low) instead of trying to build a point.

    Moving on to the 2nd set, Fed serves for the set at 5-4, 40-15. What does he do? Goes for the arrgoant FH inside out, it missed by very little, but nonetheless it missed. Fed goes on to lose 4 consecutive points (mostly on his own errors) to get broken. Then he gets broken again for the match after some horrible errors (missing by miles).

    Now, if your not playing your best and can hit winners at a given moment, maybe go back to the basics instead of trying to force it? Why didn't he use the slice? The shot that always served him so well against Novak was barely used as an offensive tool, and instead he always tried to go toe to toe with the sometimes-great-but-mostly-inconsistent BH of his. The chip and charge that worked so well against Murray was gone, net game was barely there, and the serve failed him at the most crucial moments (usually its what saves him).

    Fed could win this match, he had it, he played better than Novak for a big portion of the match, but him trying to go for highlight reels ultimately killed the match for him.
     
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  43. Murrayfan31

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    In recent years, indoors has been clearly his best surface. But yeah grass might be his best surface against Djokovic. Better yet indoor grass. He probably loses this year if it wasn't indoors.
     
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    You feel bad for him? Mega millionaire, Tennis legend, and you feel sorry for him after a loss?

    I'm not sure what you mean by "Crushing", I thought he played well, I mean think about what we are talking about here, I'm not a Djoke fan, but come on he's unbeleivable, all the top guys are, I can't believe any of them get criticism.

    Anyone here play with a top pro? I have, a week ago I played Justin Bower, it was no contest, he is a BEAST. No matter how hard I hit it, no matter where, he was there, big smile on his face, jamming it back. These guys ALL at the top are incredible, we are talking about some of the best tennis players in the WORLD, they have few weakness'.
     
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    You may be right. He looks absolutely devastated and is unlikely to come back from this defeat as seen in this video shot just after his loss. I think he is even wiping away a few tears :

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/...12/London-Finale-2012-Federer-Post-Final.aspx
     
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    Yes. He'll be crushed. Just like he was crushed after that USO 2011 SF which he lost to Djokovic. So devastated, never came back. Same with that tiebreak yesterday. He was nowhere after that disappointment. The guy cannot cope with disappointing results.
     
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    There is clearly a headcase in this thread, and something tells me it's not Federer. Oh well, I guess you can keep hoping... ;)

    And it’s so important to be full of confidence for December, right ? :roll:
     
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  49. monfed

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    Excellent analysis,right on the money.
     
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    I agree - great analysis of the match
     
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