Will Gut Really Make a Difference?

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  1. USS Tang

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    For me (67 years old, 4.5 NTRP, national ranking at 65+ level) who for three decades has played with synthetic gut. I'm not a big hitter or a topspin-meister, just an all-courter with slice groundstrokes and a reasonably good volley. Will natural gut add anything to my game?
     
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  2. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Gut don't discriminate on style of play.
     
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  3. WileyCoyote

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    Short answer: Yes.

    If nothing else, it will add an incredible feel and comfort when you hit the ball correctly.

    Read Mikeler's thread on multis where he describes the standard by which his multis are judged.

    And if you are not a string breaker, it will likely last longer than what you play with now. Especially if you combine it with with a high quality poly like 4G in the crosses it will feel even better and you will not have to straighten strings anymore because they snap back into place.

    Your mileage may vary, batteries not included.

    Harry
     
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  4. NLBwell

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    Full Gut - Feel and power and some additional spin. String higher tension than your syngut.
    For even more spin, gut with poly crosses. However, be aware that when the poly loosens up and/or goes dead after some number of hours, it can become uncontrollable. If you have or are a good trusted stringer you can restring the crosses only to extend the gut's life.
     
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  5. slowfox

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    When I do natural gut I get more spin than syn gut. Heck, more power and feel too. Thing is, for me, I like that crisp crackly feel of syn gut. But playability is definitely natural gut's big advantage.
     
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  6. Lambsscroll

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    Feel is what you'll probably get from gut. Feel for me adds consistency and creativity.
     
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  7. McLovin

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    The only way to answer your question honestly is to do the following (assuming you have two frames that are identical):
    • String one with your regular Synthetic
    • String the other with Natural Gut
    • Bring both racquets to the baseline with you and, without looking at the stringbed, randomly grab one.
    • Hit with that one for a few minutes, then grab the other (again try not to look at the stringbed).
    After hitting for a few minutes, if you can tell the difference, determine which one you liked better, and you have your answer.

    It also helps if you put brand new, identical overgrips on both. This way you won't know by the color or feel of the grip.
     
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  8. rodrigoamaral

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    I would go ahead and try it and make direct comparison on the various components of your game and judge for yourself whether it is a wise investment or not.. To answer your question, yes it will make a difference!
     
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  9. ultradr

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    Single best investment in tennis equipment in my life.
     
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  10. netguy

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    Good advice!
     
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  11. lcalamar

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    yes. makes me regret trying everything else. should have just gone to gut. better in EVERY way
     
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  12. sansaephanh

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    I'm definitely not the best player, but i've hit gut/alu rough vs black magic and it felt the same to me lol. Gut had a teeny more pop and a little better feedback, but both nice and soft with plenty of spin and decent power. But overall it felt the same. Thats just me. Two different rackets, two different tensions, if it helps.
     
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  13. Lambsscroll

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    Do you want to be asking this question 13 years from now?
     
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  14. mikeler

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    Also note I did not say I liked natural gut the best versus all the multis I've tried. It just has too much pop for me.
     
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  15. luvforty

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    this is a $50 question - the cost of actually trying it.
     
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    We have a winner!
     
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  17. ultradr

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    Have you given enough time to get familiar with it?

    For me, it took 30+ hours of playing time, 20% higher then nylon tension,
    until I finally connected to the beef intestines.:)

    Once I got connected, I've got a few zoning experiences next couple of weeks,
    and next 1 or 2 year my shot productions have made a quantum leap,
    especially my 1 handed backhand.

    Cost-wise, it worked out ideally for my 18x20 stringbed, had 3x4 times
    longer playability life.

    Poly makes me win more but hurted my wrist. So NG since then.
     
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  18. scotus

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    The amount of pop can be controlled by tension.

    I typically string natural gut about 5 lbs higher than synthetic gut in a 98-100 sq in racquet.
     
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  19. mikeler

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    Durability of gut is not good for me. Stringing it tighter will make it even worse.
     
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  20. slowfox

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    OP - Perhaps just hybrid gut mains with syn gut crosses, and give it a try.
     
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  21. McLovin

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    There's a shocker: Playing on clay, with a 16x18 pattern in a 100 sqin racquet shreds gut...
     
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  22. 2handsbothsides

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    I am an old school 4.5 and find that Xcel or even NRG2 that been hit with a bit is just as comfortable as the mid level priced guts with just a bit less power. Definitely an upgrade to basic syn gut.

    One last suggestion is use the mutli or gut in the main as a hybrid with a synthetic gut cross and you get tremendous playability at a great price. Forten Sweet nicely complements those mains for old school strokes. Go with the poly cross for more spin potential but sacrifice feel and power.
     
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  23. mikeler

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    Even in my 16x20 7Gs Wilson gut 16 maybe made it 12 hours.
     
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  24. mikeler

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    Crazy right? :)
     
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    In the long run, NG is the best investment you can make. Pacific Classic 16Lg will be the ticket @ $30. You always can reduce the cost using a hybrid setup.If you are not a topspin-meister as you said, you'll get over 30 hours of consistent hitting. Have fun!
     
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  26. Lambsscroll

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    Babolat VS Touch (BT7) lasts much longer than Wilson gut. 2 times longer for sure. It has a firmer feel to it but its as soft as any premium multi. Advantages with gut over a multi is it keeps going and going with its great qualities until it breaks. A multi may finally break at lets say 24 hours but long before that its initial playability has subsided.

    Cost to performance is much better with VS Touch (BT7) than any multi to date.
     
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  27. Lambsscroll

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    One other thing. Gut slides much easier along polys than multis.
     
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  28. lcalamar

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    if you goto the gut hybrid you will drop cost, get better durability and great overall playability. use a few string savers to get more durability.

    check out the pac gut / msv cofocus thread her'e for much more
     
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    simply the best!
     
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  31. parasailing

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    I actually didn't notice a significant increase in durability between BT7 and Wilson natural gut probably a couple hours longer at most. It's also stiffer and for that price, I would rather use X1, Multifibre Touch, or Xcel Power.
     
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  32. Lambsscroll

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    So X1, Xcel or Multibibre Touch are on par with Babolat VS Touch when it comes to performance? In that case natural gut for the OP isn't necessary.
     
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  33. mikeler

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    A little unfair. He said those would be his choices for the price.
     
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  34. Lambsscroll

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    He he, okay you got me Mike. Are you still going to pre stretch X1 to see if that works? I admit its a sweet string for the first 2 hours.
     
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  35. parasailing

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    Nothing beats natural gut performance wise but given how expensive BT7 cost, those three strings I listed doing a great job for the price you pay.


    Thanks for chiming in while I was still sleeping :smile:. I can tell you guys are from the East Coast given the hour of posting.
     
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  36. mikeler

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    Yep, the prestretched X1 will get strung up right after Isospeed Control Classic.
     
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  37. marosmith

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    Yes, mostly feel and comfort (dwell time on volleys) and it will last about 10x longer than the synthetic that you are using unless oh are a bug string breaker.
     
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  38. ultradr

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    I had long term experiment with BT7. It is not only stiffer but also has
    worse playability. I could string old VS very tight, make it crisp but
    could feel pocketing when hitting heavy shots.

    That's the mark of dynamic resiliency of the VS (or even Tonic).

    It just doesn't have dynamic performance of pre-BT7 VS.

    Plus, after about 10+ hours of playing, it stiffens further (dries out). I tried
    baby oiling it and it does recover some but the juice is gone.

    Almost reminds me of stiff synthetic multies.

    All of these opinions on full bed of NG. It may be more subtle on hybrid
    with stiff strings like poly.
     
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