Will Murray ever be in the 100 Greatest of All Time

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Will Murray ever get to The 100 Greatest Of All Time ?

  1. Yes he will, and deservedly so

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  2. No he won't

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  3. He is already there

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  4. He should never be in the conversation to begin with.

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  1. beast of mallorca

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    Just watching the The 100 Greatest Of All Time show presented by the Tennis Channel, and got me thinking if ( once everything is said and done and Murray calls it adieu,sayounara) Murray will ever be relegated in that elite group. I know he will have to earn it by winning more Slams, which he might and possibly need to achieve the #1 ranking as well. What's the consensus here in TW ?

    FYI:The Tennis Channel's presentationof 100 Greatest of All time include the Open and pre-Open era players. Also female and males players were mixed together.
     
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  2. Sabratha

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    I think Murray will get into that group. I'm almost certain he will become #1 at some point and win more slams.
     
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  3. forzamilan90

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    I think Murray will win multiple slams so yeah, 4-5 seems reasonable. He'll be held in high regard one day, if only for that 1st British.....since Perry
     
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  4. Razoredge

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    He's already there.
     
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  5. tennisaddict

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    The number of people with 1 major or more is greater than 100. So, answer is NO.
     
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  6. Phoenix1983

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    He'll get there.
     
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  7. Razoredge

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    Are you kidding? Murray is probably top 20 GOAT already in his career, dont' be an idiot.
     
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  8. boredone3456

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    I think since winning the US Open one could argue Murray has achieved more than Chang (who made the list) so I would argue he is already there as of now.

    1 major
    Olympic Gold
    8 masters titles
    24 overall titles
    4 additional major finals

    Plus he is, unless he is struck by lightening or some similar disaster, likely to do much more...so even if you want to say no he will be eventually.
     
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  9. Sabratha

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    Top 20? All time? Uh, at this point, no.
     
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  10. World Beater

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    djokovic has 5 slams and is #40 according to tennis channel.

    I dont even think andy roddick made it to top 100. Did he?

    Chang was #100

    Murray has work to do. I think murray has a decent shot to get to top#30 and possible top 20. But he will need 6+ slams to do so...no easy task...he just won one!
     
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  11. MonkeyBoy

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    More and more tennis experts are regarding the tier 1 of this era to be one of, if not the best ever. Murray is the only other player in the game who can consistently face Djodalrer and you not know what the result is going to be.
     
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  12. BauerAlmeida

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    Murray TOP 20?? Huge LOL

    Federer, Hewitt, Sampras, Agassi, Safin, Becker, Roddick, Edberg, Courier, Djokovic, Nadal, Kafelnikov, Lendl, Wilander, Rafter, Kuerten. I thought of 16 players who were better only since the late or mid 80's only. Then add just a few from before that (let's say Mac, Connors, Borg, Vilas and Nastase) and you don't even have to leave the open era to find 20 players better than Murray.
     
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  13. boredone3456

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    Roddick was #94
     
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    Then they didn't watch the late 70's and early 80's.
     
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  15. NadalAgassi

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    Roddick, Rafter, Kafelnikov are all highly questionable.

    Roddick- Only edge is his year end #1. Otherwise Murray's career trumps Roddick in everyway now.

    Rafter- 2 slams but something like only 11 singles titles. Not much longevity as a top player, not much in the way of achievements outside his U.S Open titels and Wimbledon finals.

    Kafelnikov- 2 slams but couldnt even win a single Masters vs the 8 Murray has won, many less slam finals and semis than Murray, and Murray also has Olympic Gold.
     
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  16. Razoredge

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    Roddick is better than Murray? HAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Take a look at Roddick's h2h against Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic. Now take a look at Murray's h2h.

    Andy's head to head against Roddick himself is 8-3.

    NOT TO MENTION MURRAY MADE RODDICK LOOK LIKE A SECOND RATE FOOL AT WIMBLEDON WHEN HE WAS JUST A TEENAGER
     
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  17. Phoenix1983

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    At this point I rate Roddick just above Murray, due to his ranking achievements (reached No 1, nine years in top ten). However they are pretty close.
     
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  18. Sabratha

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    Murray: 4.5 years in the top 5, reached as high as #2, has spent the majority of his career ranked at #4, and has had a very consistent career.

    Roddick: 3 years as a top five player, reached #1, spent the majority of his career ranked 2-7, has come close to winning Wimbledon a few times, has fallen out of the top ten at some point after achieving the #1 ranking (2006 at #12).

    I don't know, I am going to pick Murray over Roddick.
     
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  19. Homeboy Hotel

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    What he's achieved, how he's achieved it, what he's had to put up with, how he's improved....the answers to these questions constitutes a mandate to be in the best 100.
     
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    It's true. Roddick's only edge is being #1. But that's good enough, at least untill Murray wins another slam or reachs #1 himself. Rafter and Kafelnikov have 2 slams and #1. Murray may defeat them in everything else, but those are the most important things.

    And Roddick beat Murray at Wimbledon when Murray was in his prime and Roddick was in decline, so?? Murray has a negative H2H against 2 of the 3 players you mentioned. Don't know why you even bring it up. He only has the positive H2H against Federer but facing a much worse Federer than Roddick. And despite the H2H he never beat him at a slam. H2H are more important than being #1?? No.

    And let's say Murray is better than Roddick, well, put Newcombe, Kodes or Stan Smith. Multiple slam winners and were ranked #1 (except Kodes).

    There you have more than 20 players better than Murray only in the Open Era.
     
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    You are a professional joker.
     
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  22. jokinla

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    Most likely yes, no surprise Fed tops the list, take that haters.
     
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  23. Sabratha

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    He's the elite.
     
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  24. Goosehead

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    murray has 8 masters titles, roddick only has 5 masters.

    and murray has a gold medal from the olympics (destroying roger at wimbledon which roddick couldnt do).

    and its been said murray has been in world top5 for 4.5yrs without a break.
     
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  25. papertank

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    He's definitely anead of Roddick, so I'd say he's there.
     
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    In 5 years he will be the undisputed GOAT
     
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  27. MonkeyBoy

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    Roddick wasn't in decline. He was 26 and playing at 200% in that tournament, coming within a hair's breadth of the winning the whole thing. A 19 Murray schooled a 23 year old Roddick in 2006.

    Roddick reached #1, but in a weaker era, and didn't keep it that long. Living in Federer's shadow aside, Roddick always had a very inconsistent career. Since 72 only five players have reached more consecutive Grand Slam quarter finals than Murray, only three have reached more consecutive semis.
     
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  28. Hood_Man

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    How many tennis players have won at least 2 majors?

    *lights up the Mustard signal, Danny Elfman music blares*
     
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  29. timnz

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    djokovic is 10th in the open era and murray is way behind him

    Using objective criteria of looking at slams won and slam finals reached, season end finals won and masters 1000 titles reached.weighting them all with current atp points...Djokovic ranks 10th in the open era (see other thread for this objective ranking system)....Andy Murray is way behind him....only 1 slam vs 5, no season end championships vs two, 8 masters 1000 vs 13. Murray is probably around 20 open era yet...

    The top 12 open era are (according to objective weighted rankings of masters 1000 equvalents and higher)

    federer, lendl, sampras, nadal, mcenroe, borg, connors, agassi, becker, djokovic, edberg, wilander.
     
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    I'd say he is already in the Top 10 greatest of all time.
     
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    Let's see:

    chang is 100th, right ?

    @ USO, murray : 1 W, 1 F, 1 SF, chang = 1 F, 2 SF, so murray >> chang @ the USO

    @ AO , murray : 2 F, 1 SF, chang = 1 F, 2 SF, so murray > chang @ the AO

    @ wimbledon, murray : 1 F, 3 SF, chang = 0 SF, so murray >>>> chang @ wimbledon

    @ FO : murray : 1 SF, chang = 1W, 1 F, so chang >>>> murray @ the FO

    @ the YEC, murray 3 SFs, chang 1 F, no semis, I'd probably say even there ...

    murray has 8 masters, chang 7 masters ..

    career titles : chang 34, murray 24 ...

    years in the top 10 at year end : chang 7, murray 5

    years in top 5 at year end : chang 4, murray 5


    murray already has a lot more in his favour ...

    so yeah, murray should be in ...
     
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  32. merlinpinpin

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    And Kafelnikov hasn't?

    For the record, I think Murray already is top 100 all-time (even including women). He sure isn't close to top 20, though, still got a lot of work to do to get there.
     
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  33. beast of mallorca

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    I don't even know why Tennis Channel clump the men and women together, because it's a completely different set of tennis altogether. They should have made the top 30 or 50 for each men and women.
     
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  34. Fedex

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    Point proven. Murray is already top 100.
     
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    Also Murray is in an era with one of the strongest top 3 in tennis history.
     
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  36. Phoenix1983

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    Um....OK :confused:
     
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  37. NadalAgassi

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    That is my whole point, Murray like Kafelnikov has Olympic Gold so even that isnt an edge for Kafelnikov. His only edge (in singles anyway) is 1 extra slam, which of course huge, but Murray has 8 Masters titles to 0 for Kafelnikov, much more consistency playing at the highest level, many more slam finals and semis, much more success vs the best players of his era. I would never say Kafelnikov is a better player than Murray, and probably not Roddick or Rafter either.
     
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  38. Gonzo_style

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    Probably, I think he needs another GS title, but he won the Olympic gold medal, so in my opinion, Murray is already in the top hundred.
     
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    Top statting mate.
     
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    Federer, Djokovic and Lendl ?
     
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    The men who have reached more consecutive semis - Federer, Djokovic and Lendl ?
     
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  42. Gonzo_style

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    We need a Prisoner of Birth to tell us how many GS titles will Murray win and how long will be Murray's peak and prime.
     
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    He needs another slam to be in the list.
     
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    seeing your post reminded that hes been not posting for sometime, guess got banned
     
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    Roddick inconsistent??? Roddick was TOP 10 for 9 straight years. Won a title for 11 straight years and reached at least a QF in a slam for 11 consecutive years....How's that for consistency?

    And yes, Murray is very consistent too, and that record is impressive. But surface homogenization has a lot to do with it.



    This gotta be a bad joke.
     
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    He's already great, but I do think he needs a couple more slams, and then he's good to go.
     
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  47. Razoredge

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    I don't know how you can even argue Andy Murray isn't top 100 greatest tennis players of all time. :confused::confused:
     
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    I think he will be top fifty if he wins a second major.
     
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    Okay, by the standards of professional tennis in general Roddick was consistent, but not in comparison to Murray. If I'm not mistaken Roddick never made more than 2 consecutive GS semi finals. Both Murray/Rod worked better on fast courts, but Murray has been much more successful at the French. He has a better direct HTH, and a WAY better HTH vs Federer.
     
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    Fed is #1!
     
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