Will Nadal be in the top 20 when he is 25 years old?

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Will Nadal be in the top 20 when he is 25 years old?

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  2. NO

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  3. He'll retire from injuries way before he gets there

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  1. BigT

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    The thread was renamed so all the Nadal lovers won't list his stats and show their class with namecalling........just answer the question!
     
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  2. edmondsm

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    No.

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  3. Nadal_Freak

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    Easily. Nadal has not been extended in many matches this year. It all comes down to luck. Anyone can all of a sudden get hit with the injury bug. Joachim Johannson has one of the least grueling styles out there but things didn't work out for him.
     
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  4. miniRafa386

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    depends on if he gets injured. the way hes playin now is sure to at least keep him in the top 10, but its a matter if hes gonna keep gettin injured.
     
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  5. edmondsm

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    Tell that to his shoulder.
     
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  6. johnny ballgame

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    He'll be 22 yrs old in a month. So, will he be in the top 20 at the 2011 French Open? I'll say yes, no worse than #4. Fed will be long gone, Djoker will be up there, as well as some people we haven't thought of.
     
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  7. Stchamps

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    Fed's got like 10 more years at #1!
     
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  8. johnny ballgame

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    10 weeks... maybe!
     
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  9. Nadal_Freak

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    Well Nadal doesn't have to worry about serving too hard. ;)
     
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    Nadal has suprised me before. But I have to notice that there aren't a lot of players that play like Nadal, as much as Nadal, and make it past the age of 25. The ones that do, weren't talking about foot injuries and taping their knees up in their early twenties. Just my opinion, but I tend agree with Agassi when he says that "Nadal is writing checks that his body can't cash".
     
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  11. Aabye

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    Outside of some unforseeable injury, I think Nadal will easily be in the top twenty. If this had been about the top ten, maybe I would have hesitated, but he's in the top twenty hardcourt players, and he's good on grass too.

    edmondsm, you make some good points, but I look at someone like Hewitt, and even he had been floating around the top twenty at 25, if I recall correctly.
     
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  12. zagor

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    10 weeks,like two and a half months? That's a little bit of wishful thinking on your part,not saying it's not possible but it's the worst case scenario for Federer.To answer the OP question,I think Nadal will still be atleast top 5 in my opinion.
     
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    BigT is obviously trolling. One thread was not enough :rolleyes:. Probably ninman or some similar ******* with a new green name, trying to make Nadal fans angry.
     
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  14. zagor

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    Nadal in the top 20 hardcourts? I think he is top 5 easily on hardcourt and for now second on grass.
     
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    Who else plays like Nadal? Muster is the only one I can think of and he made it pretty far. Nadal usually makes you do the running on clay.
     
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    Sorry, I guess I phrased that wrong. I meant when he is twenty-five, I think he will still be in the top twenty of hardcourters, and his grass game won't fall off too much either.
     
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  17. johnny ballgame

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    Yeah, I was partly kidding. But if Nadal stays hot and Fed fails to defend Rome final, Hamburg title, RG final, and Wimbledon title... it will be interesting.
     
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    He is going to retire in 2 days. I read that somewhere. Should hit the papers in a week or so.
     
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  19. BigT

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    Not at all bud. I think he's a great player and great for the game. But I can still be objective on his style of play.
     
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  20. edberg505

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    Federer isn't defending a Rome final. He's only defending the round of 16 there.
     
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    Djokovic and Nadal will be defenitely top 5 in three years, I agree. Don't know if Federer will be long gone though. If he can find the motivation to continue playin tennis, I think he'll still be a top 10 player.
     
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    Hewitt, Santoro. There aren't many because most people don't make it very long when they run that much. If clay was all Nadal was playing on then I would bet he would still be slam winner at 25. I think the hardcourts are really hard on his body. During the run up to and including last year's USO, I think he was really hurting. For most people the early 20's are the last time that their body is made of rubber.
     
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  23. drakulie

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    I'd have to say, "NO". I think Nadal will have retired by then.
     
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  24. Iced_jacob

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    Another no-sense poll...
     
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  25. ruski07

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    definately unless like alot of you have said, injuries taking him out of the game earlie...theres alot of ups and downs in tennis careers, but i think he'll still b top 10 if not top 5
     
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  26. CanadianChic

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    Nadal will be in the top three when he's twenty-five. I'm not sure about number one just yet, but he'll at least retain his hold.
     
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  27. The balls in your court.

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    Is it really? It makes perfect sense....you just need to read between the lines.

    This is simply yet another I hate Nadal thread. This happens during every clay court season and the closer nadal gets to #1 the more of this sort of stuff will be be posted. Its perfectly logical.

    On the flip side right after wimbledon and the hard court season starts you wil start seeing threads about how Nadal is allwashed up. Its like clockwork....yawn.
     
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  28. Morrissey

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    Absolutely. He´s turning 22 this summer and he´s gonna keep dominating the clay for another 3 years minimum. Hewitt never dominated anything. Plus he´s not the athlete Nadal is and doesn´t hit his groundstrokes like Nadal either. So bad comparison. As much as the haters wish for it, Nadal will be around. So keep hoping kids. Keep hoping.
     
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  29. CanadianChic

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    I don't think they all hate him as much as fear and envy him. He has the potential to knock Fed clear off his path and fights like a warrior against the rest of the would-be #2's. ;) Besides, women love him to death!
     
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  30. lambielspins

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    He will be at worst top 5 I would guess. If the poll was when he was 29 that might provoke more thought.
     
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  31. BigT

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    did I studder?
     
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  33. edmondsm

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    That might be the first time a one-word answer has been accused of trolling. Congrats.
     
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  34. edmondsm

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    It is a bad comparison. Because Hewitt wasn't wrapping his knees in tape at the age of 21.
     
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  35. Morrissey

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    Because your answer and the ones trolls post defy sense, explain nothing and show a dislike for the person. Which you have done in previous posts. So, I thank you for making it obvious that you are. So congrats on that.
     
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  36. Morrissey

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    So? Nadal has weapons he can go to, Hewitt doesn´t and never did. Besides, the tape are a precaution. Like when Hewitt wears the ASO ankle braces on both his feet. He was wearing ´em since he was a teen.
     
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  37. edmondsm

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    The OP said, "just answer the question". So I did. Sorry if I didn't meet the the maximum word requirement.

    If I'm not mistaken, Nadal has/has had tendinitious in his knees, and was suffering pretty bad during the US Open series last year. I hope the tape works, I'm just saying these things don't usually get better as you age.
     
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  38. Morrissey

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    For ¨no¨you could´ve just voted it along with the other 6 who voted the same.


    Things don´t tend to get better as you age, but we´re talking about 22 yrs old and 25 yrs old. Unless he gets so injured he can´t play anymore he won´t fall off the top 20 like that. Looking at current rankings Hewitt is in the top 20 and he´s not nearly the player Nadal is. But given your thought provoking answer of simply ¨no¨no one would know what your reason is outside of the fact that you just flat out hate Nadal which we already know.
     
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  39. tumalow2

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    biggest issue is injuries

    with those unorthodox strokes and plus him getting older i think injuries could possibly hold him back a little bit
     
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    Point taken, but I have as much a right to have my opinion front and center as the next guy. You are the one who is trolling for an argument here. Why don't you stop ridiculing me on my forum etiquette. I'm really trying to have a civilized conversation with you. Not suprisingly it is very, very difficult.




    Despite what you believe I have tremendous respect for Nadal and like him more everyday. You are the one who gets his panties all wadded up at the slightest hint of negativity directed at your night in shining armor. I'm just trying to be objective here. There is a gap in the abilities between Hewitt and Nadal, but that doesn't make Nadal nagging injuries any less prevelant. He's had foot problems too so when I see him hobbling around getting spanked by Ferrer at last years USO I have to think that 3 years from now the situation will not be better and most likely worse.
     
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  41. lambielspins

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    Good example on Hewitt. Even Hewitt is in the top 20 at 27 years old. Even at his peak Nadal is clearly a better player then Hewitt was, even though Hewitt himself was a great player of course, however Nadal is clearly superior to even peak Hewitt. Hewitt is clearly not at his peak. Some say Nadal will get burnt out, injured, lose a step, by his mid 20s. Well even if that happened when you look at Hewitt he is clearly worn down, burnt out both physically and mentally, lost a step, all those things. So it is not like those things did not happen to him. Yet despite all that he is still in the top 20. So how on earth anyone could think Nadal wont be even in the top 20 at 25 is crazy.
     
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  42. Morrissey

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    Now you know how I feel having a conversation with you. You do have an opinion and you can use it, but there´s also stupid opinions based on simply hating a player, which is what you do with Nadal. Maybe not as bad as ninman but it´s there. The only reason I can really think of is simply that he beats Fed and denies him the French. Not because he´s arrogant, like Joker. Or a jerk, like Roddick. He´s always taking his losses on the chin, always complimentary of Fed and he gets along with him just fine. So you could say whatever you want about ¨style¨, but if he sucked or never could damage Fed he wouldn´t even be on your radar. Be happy a good person and a nice guy like Nadal is beating Fed and not Roddick or Djokovic.

    Yeah it got worse alright, he hobbled his way to the final of Paris and the SF of Shanghai after that. Then he also hobbled his way to the Aussie SF in January. So yeah, it did get worse indeed. :roll:
    I know what I believe and given your putdowns of Nadal I know you´re lying about having ¨tremendous respect¨ for Nadal. Maybe you would as long as he doesn´t beat Fed or get in his way of achieving something big. Nadal had an ankle injury in 2005 that kept him out of the Aussie 2006 and everyone said the same thing you´re saying now. Oh, he won´t be around much longer and it´s only a matter of time before Fed wins the French and Nadal is no longer a threat. Well, here we are midway through 2008 and he´s still a threat and still #2.

    I don´t think the situation will get worse in 3 years, maybe it stays the same. Everyone predicted Roddick´s arm would fall off because of his unorthodox service motion, this was 2003. We´re in 2008 and he´s still serving big and still hovering around the top 5. So where did all those comments go? I thought his arm could only get worse with time. I´m saying, your prediction is more based on bias, hope and dislike more than you admit. Much more than your ¨objectivity¨.
     
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  43. Morrissey

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    Thank you, you´re clearly making more sense in here than someone else.
     
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  44. quest01

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    It depends if his knees and ankles hold up after a few years. Nadal plays a very physical style on court and I wouldn't be surprised if he suffers burnout by the age of 30. He will have to change his style of play as he gets older or he won't last long because he's going to suffer all sorts of problems.
     
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    i really think as he gets older he will start to end points faster. He has been improving on faster surfaces and theres no reason to believe that he wouldn't learn from his losses on hardcourt due to his playing style. imagine if he flattened out his shots even a little. maybe get some advice on that serve of his.
     
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    Well we both know it is alot of wishful thinking on the part of this "someone else". I think some people truly believe if they hope something bad enough and for long enough, it will come true.
     
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    I have done nothing but back up my opinions with what I observe. Sure, I'm biased, nothing wrong with that. This is just a sport. Don't you ever think that your opinion on this subject might be clouded by your fandom of Nadal?

    He got some rest. Doesn't mean it won't come back.


    I would like you to show me these "putdowns". You seem like you are searching for an enemy. I'm not it homey.


    Again, just putting words in my mouth. Please tell me where I professed my love for Federer. Why are you sitting there trying to come up with reasons for me being this evil Nadal hating boyfriend of Roger Federer.

    I don´t think the situation will get worse in 3 years, maybe it stays the same. Everyone predicted Roddick´s arm would fall off because of his unorthodox service motion, this was 2003. We´re in 2008 and he´s still serving big and still hovering around the top 5. So where did all those comments go? I thought his arm could only get worse with time. I´m saying, your prediction is more based on bias, hope and dislike more than you admit. Much more than your ¨objectivity¨.[/QUOTE]

    Well you tamper with my rational again. So I'll make it really clear this time:

    Nadal has suffered from knee and foot problems. People might have SAID that Roddick's arm was going to fall off, but Roddick has never had even the slightest hint of arm problems. The same goes for Hewitt. You can't say that Nadal's injuries are inconsiquencial just because Hewitt is still around. They are two different people and this has nothing to do with talent. Nadal has had serious problems with legs. And again, Roddick and Hewitt have never had these nagging injuries.
     
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  48. Morrissey

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    Did you ever think about the very same thing about yourself with the opposite for Nadal?

    Since the USO it hasn´t come back.



    You´re gonna have to give me some time to go through your 2,722 posts, but I´m sure i´ll find them in abundance, homey.

    Ever since you said Fed would win the FO and said that Nadal won´t even be in the top 20 in 3 years without any thought or reason.


    Last I checked Hewitt didn´t play a single match for the rest of 2007 after last year´s US Open because of ankle and leg injury. Hewitt has had ankle problems in the past and so has Roddick, especially in the early days when he kept tripping into himself and retired vs Hewitt at the French in 2002 and retired vs Ljubicic at the Aussie in 2002.
     
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  49. AM28143

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    It's difficult to say, since it's so far in the future (Nadal is about to turn 22, right?), but, if I had to guess, I'd say Nadal will remain in the top 20. I'm 70 percent sure.

    -Adam :)
     
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  50. Leublu tennis

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    Can you name some of the players who play like Nadal and have retired by 25. Borg? I thought he retired at 26. Any others? And I don't mean #589, some top 10 or top 20 players.
     
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