Will Nadal have any rival to challenge him?

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  1. joy

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    By the way he rips through his opponents with ease, I doubt will there be anyone who can atleast challenge Rafa in his entire career. Atleast, Sampras had Agassi, Rafter etc who won him quite a few times. As of now, no body (Federer included) seems to stand a chance against him. Nadal is only 19 and he can very well dominate the circuit for atleast 10 or may be even 15 more years. During this period, if he continues to annihilate his opponenets in the way he does right now which is likely the case and maintains the same form, he would end up winning atleast 35 - 40 grand slam titles. In fact he would win anything and everything that he enters. Don't be surprised but it's very well a possibility. I am not sarcastic but I am stating the obvious fact. No body has ever dominated the game with such an authority as this guy does. So tennis is heading towards a single man domination for the next 10-15 years with no real drama. That's what I feel. But it would be good if some youngster (Monfils, Gasquet or Young) rises up and at least throws him a challenge if not beat him though it would be highly unlikely. I don't like Nadal's dominance because of his brash, arrogant and ruthless personality and Nadal's fans can happily enjoy the game for the next 15-20 years where the game will have only a single winner in every tournament. Frankly, I can't think of anyone who can beat Rafa. He is beyond human. Federer fans and fans of other players can better stop watching tennis. Other players can only compete for runners up.
     
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  2. archangelkc

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    okay. nadal is good, but he clearly doesn't dominate the game to the level you are talking about. The guy has won 1 grand slam. Federer won all the rest. Nadal has not yet proved that he is more dominate than federer. Federer is by far the most dominate and last I checked still the top player in the world by a long shot. Nadal has a way to go before being put above Federer. I like nadal tons better than federer, but nadal hasn't done enough yet the be called more dominate.
     
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  3. nocab

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    maybe we should pause this discussion until after nadal plays blake, thats going to be alot closer matchup then you may think
     
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  4. Virtuous

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    o...k. Get some sleep
     
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  5. KickServer

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    LOL. This guy is joking, right????
     
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  6. TheSneakerologist

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    your full of crap lmao. Fed is god, you must be referring to him right? nadals gonna run outta gas or get injured so take that into account within the 40 slams buddy
     
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  7. VamosRafa

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    This thread is just a joke, I'm sure.
     
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    Don't be surprise if the rate of your thread is terrible.
     
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  9. quest01

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    First of all you have to surpass 14 grand slam victories by Pete Sampras. That alone will be hard for any player to achieve.
     
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    don't feed the troll, guys >_>
     
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  11. joy

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    No guys, This thread is not a joke. I am very serious. May be Federer can beat all the other guys but can never beat Nadal. If you have doubt, just wait and see. But Nadal can beat all, anyone and everyone. At present, there is no one who has the ability to give him any trouble. This is the obvious fact and it is very much proved in the results. You may go by the ranking points to assert your claim that Federer is more dominant. But that points will completely reverse in quite a few days. Federer wont be no 1 for long since he cannot beat Nadal. Nadal will win everything, beat Federer on every occassion and therefore rise to no 1 and Federer will slip to no 2. Nadal's presence will psycologically upset Federer and he will only get fed up, frustated and demoralised more and more because of his inability to overcome Nadal (mental obstacle). So his game will slip further and his ranking too. He will meet the same fate as Hewitt and Courier. So simple logic, it's clear who is more dominant. And then even in future there does not appear to be anyone who can take on Nadal face to face. Do you think anyone can? Fellow youngsters (Gasquet, Monfils, Young etc) are too inconsistent and also they do not have the game to trouble Nadal in anyway. This fact is pretty obvious. So, I don't see Nadal losing anything atleast in the next 10 years. In fact, you can't have a game plan against him. He is extraordinary. In the next 15 years, he would compete atleast 15*4 = 60 grand slams of which in the worst case he would win atleast 50% of it i.e. 30 at the minimum. So my logic is correct and I have proved it. Everybody says Nadal wont win this and that but he proves everyone wrong. You guys said he would lose to Baghdatis, but what happened? He ripped Baghdatis apart. Now you would say he would lose to blake and it's obvious what's going to happen. Then, same with Federer and the same outcome. IMHO, Nadal is the greatest player in history by a long long way. There is no contest here. I speak my heart out and not a joke.
     
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  12. slice bh compliment

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    I'll play.

    YEah. His only real opponent is history. And history is his only opponent.

    Rod Laver's a total chump in the presence of Rafa.
    Bjorn Borg's 6 Slams at Roland and 5 at the All England Club: nothing compared to Rafa.
    Edberg, Mac, Sampras? One-trick ponies. Glorified Rafters and Stichs.
    Boris? Undedicated. Not a fighter. Not worthy of the same paragraph as Rafa.
    Agassi winning all four Slams: a blip on Rafa's screen.
    Budge, Tilden, Kramer, Perry, Gonzales? They bow before Rafa's greatness.
    Lendl, Borg, Vilas, Muster, Bruguera, Kuerten? After watching Rafa, they finally understand how to compete on clay!!
    Yannick Noah and Jim Courier? Lacking in charisma compared to the wonderful Rafa Nadal.

    ;)

    Okay joy, we appreciate and admire your enthusiasm. People like VamosRafa or Uncle Toni (Nadal)...or Rafa himself would love to read your words. But don't you think even THEY would consider them a little premature?
     
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  13. wilsonplayer

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    you can't use simple math to find out how many grand slams a player will win, because it will never work out. that's the beauty of tennis, anybody in the top say 75-50 can win against anybody. so, you can't say 15*4=60/2= 30.
     
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  14. equinox

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    Nadal will spend more time out of the game injured than winning tournaments. He'll win a few french opens and maybe one hardcourt slam.
    He'll hold number #1 ranking for a few weeks or month at a time.
    Injuries from the tough demanding style of game he plays will cut his career short by serveral years.
    That's my prediction.
     
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  15. tlm

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    I agree nadal will be #1 but lets not go crazy with these wild predictions.First of all nadal has one grand slam but thats at the age of 19,guess how many slams fed won at that age, thats right none.As far as all these injury predictions that is just what all the fed fans are hoping for because they know what is coming.As far as injurys go all players get hurt the only thing nadal has to do is cut back how much he plays.Nadal is in better shape than any other player,as far as his style leading to injurys, it looks like the opposing players will get more injurys trying to stay with him.I agree that blake might give him trouble,i think right now blake has a better chance than fed.Nadal is the best player out there right now, i dont care what all you fed fans say.I remember hearing nadal could only win on clay,then bags was going to beat him last night,ya that was a helluva match wasnt it.Nadal kicked his butt all over the court.The one thing all you fed fans have to explain to me is if fed is the god then how could nadal beat him 3 out of 4.Do that math, you boys better get used to the number 2 word because that is were your boy fed the god is headed.Fed is a great player but he has been lucky the mens field has been weak,his run is over!!
     
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    I'm not a Federer fan, but I can tell you Nadal will not win Wimbledon as long as Federer is around.
     
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  17. tlm

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    You are right nadal most likely will not win at wimbly,who cares grass is for cows not tennis.But i do recall hearing nadal will only win on clay in the past.
     
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    Nadal gets beaten on a regular basis on hard courts so I don't know what you're talking about. Nadal is tough on clay, but to say he has no challenge, is a ridiculous statement. Federer is the one to beat right now because he's good on every surface. Rafa on the other hand, has proven to be tough on clay, is getting better but certainly not unbeatable on hard courts, and is weak on grass. Please don't make Rafael Nadal to be more than he is. Rafa is good, but you're making seem invincible on any surface and everybody knows that's not the case.
     
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    the original post is not even good enough for an onion.com article..... my only concern for Nadal is that the game is too much of grind... these type of players may seem to be invincible (Courier, Change, Muster), but usually their dominance may not last long because it takes too much out of their body... Nadal just had an injury that sidelined him for a couple of months, if he keeps up this style of play, I bet my house that he won't last past age 25.... meaning that he has 6 years of prime left, in which he may have 50% chance of winning the French, 0% of Wimbledon, 20% of USO (which is generous) and 30% of Aussie, that would give him 6 more slams by the time he burns out.

    looking at the history of this game, the players with Agassi-like longevity plays a baseline game that controls the center of the court and stand close to the baseline..... the way Nadal plays, the mileage quickly addes up on the odometer and wear/tear will show up someday for sure.
     
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  20. D-man

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    nadal jus got a spankin
     
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  21. idle_fire

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    I'm sure this is a joke/ridiculous thread and this guy new in tennis.
    Did you see Blake when he beat Nadal, eh???
     
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    Joy: Blake has just sent Nadal home again... Sorry Nadal fans
     
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    Way to go Blake!
     
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  24. SonicSpeed

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    Oh, it was obvious to you that Blake was going to beat Nadal? ;)
     
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    Word is out that Rafa lost to Blake because he had a sore big toe. His modesty prevented himform announcing this publicly.
     
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  26. edberg505

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    Of course he did. Did he have the same sore big toe at the US Open?
     
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  27. tlm

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    I love the big celebration over blake beating nadal,all the fed fans are so happy because they did not want to see nadal beat fed again.Some will even lie + say they wanted nadal in finals but we know that is not true.Again nadal is only 19 you are seeing just a preview of things to come.Who did fed play in semis ****sephan what a joke another easy draw for fed.The only good player he beat in this event was lubi. Fed is overrated.He is good but he benefits from weak mens field.I laugh when i hear him compared to samprass,please spare me samprass had much tougher competition.Fed is king of beating the hacks.
     
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  28. aero_pro

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    I dont dislike Nadal, but I am happy James Blake won. He has improved so much and I am glad he is in the top 10. He fully deserves it. Anyway shame for Nadal, but I have a feeling he will have a better run in Miami.
     
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  29. Breaker

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    Yes that explains why Fed is nearly 3000 points ahead of Nadal in the race because Fed's just that terrible..
     
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  30. edberg505

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    Are you kidding me? One day Nadal is the next best thing since sliced bread and the next day he's just a kid and only 19. You can't have your cake and eat it too. When he wins he's Borg's successor but when he loses he's just a kid. I actually had little doubt that James would beat him. And as for the weak draws, are you kidding me? Dude, if Nadal has Sebastien Grosjean in his side of the draw one more freakin time I'm gonna puke. Fed without a dobut had the tougher side of the draw with Safin, Nalbandian, Ljubicic, it's not his fault that the guys didn't make it far enough in the draw to play him. I can bet you this, Nadal is probably on a plane headed to Miami right now praying to the gods that James Blake isn't on his side of the draw again.
     
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  31. slice bh compliment

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    I think he wants another crack at Blake on hardcourts.
    Badly.
    Just like Roger wants another shot at Rafa before the clay season begins.
    Seriously.
     
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  32. edberg505

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    Nadal, just doesn't have anything that can hurt Blake. Maybe before Blake worked on his backhand yeah. But right now. I just can't see it. Maybe if Blake has an off day.
     
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  33. tlm

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    Ya 3000 points big deal,when another player beats you 3 out of 4 times do you go around saying you are still the better player? I never said fed was terrible,fed is a great player + its not his fault the mens field is weak.That is just the way it is,you fed fans just cant see that.Let me see fed had tougher draw even though he only played one of the 3 players you mentioned.
     
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    It's funny how Nadal can't always make it past that "weak field" to even take a crack at Federer. And from what I can tell, the Nadal fans better pray the don't play each other more often. Fed will figure him out, and that's all she wrote. Did you see first set a few weeks ago, Nadal v Fed? When Fed is on attacking like that, even the speedy Nadal is helpless. It will all come together soon, and Nadal will stay put at no. 2.
     
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  35. tlm

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    Did you see the first set+ the second+the third.Why didnt your boy keep attacking if it worked so good,because nadal passed him so many times fed had to stop coming to the net.Thats when fed had to go back to the baseline game were he can not hang with nadal.That is why he went to the net so much,nadal will eat him up in baseline rallys.I think its the fed fans that are doing the praying that fed doesnt have to play nadal.Funny after blake beat nadal there sure was a lot of celebration on this site,Oh thats right that was because they were so happy for blake,ha ha .
     
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    How come all the masters series Nadal won last year were ones in which Fed didn't play, save 1 I think? How come Nadal can't make the final to even play Fed, especially in this weak field? Pull your head outta your arse, there's no question who's the better player. This isn't ice skating, it isn't subjective, that's why there are stats and rankings and whatnot.
     
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  37. tlm

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    Ya i know nadal beats fed 3out of 4 times but fed is much better.Pull yor head out of your arse.If he is so much better then why doesnt he beat him everytime.You fed fans always have to talk about total points or fed wasnt there when nadal won the master series, who cares your the one referring to stats + rankings.I have played sports all my life+ when it comes to saying whos better or what team is better nothing determines it better than head to head competition.3 wins to 1 loss seems pretty obvious.You fed fans always seem to avoid this fact, that is why you have to change the subject to rankings or something else.Just please explain how someone so superior loses 3 out of 4 times.Let me see fed wasnt feeling good,the surface was not right or some other bs excuse.Just let me know when fed has the upper hand in head to head competition, then i will say fed is better. Because that is what really tells the truth of who is better.
     
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  38. doriancito

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    the onyl reason why blake beat him was because blake entered a really really high timing nadal couldnt could catch up with, hopefully you guys noticed it too
     
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  39. The tennis guy

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    You sure sound like you don't know anything about sports. The person who wins gold medal or championship is considered the best regardless whether he lost to someone earlier in the competition or not.
     
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  40. The tennis guy

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    Follow your logic, you think James Blake is overall better player than Nadal because he has a 2-0 record against Nadal? Krajicek is a better player than Sampras because his 6-4 record against Sampras?

    You are the one who should pull your moron head out of your dumb ass!
     
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  41. slice bh compliment

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    Rankings and records aside, in an individual sport it's all about match-ups. So funny how we tennis dorks argue over this kind of stuff, when it is one of the coolest elements of tennis (and boxing).

    I'm looking forward to Nadal's next matches with Baghdatis, Blake, Hewitt and especially Fedi.
     
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  42. pianeon

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    I'm sure there are guys on this board who have played sports longer than 13 years.
     
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    Still beat him though, right?
     
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    Jimmy Connors laugh in his face..
     
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  45. slice bh compliment

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    Damn straight. Jimmy would laugh at Rafa. Then he'd have his ass handed to him...likely 2 and 0 in less than an hour.
     
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  46. Moose Malloy

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    Not if Rafa had to play with a T-2000, Connors would win 2 & 0. And Nadal would be in tears from Connors calling him a ****sucker on every changeover(these modern players seem very sensitive, always crying, etc)
     
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  47. slice bh compliment

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    Right on, Moose. And put a pair of the crappiest old Converse Jimmy Connors shoes on the kid (two or three blowouts per set!)....and a pair of piratas on ol' Jimbo.

    Dear threadstarter,
    It is official. We have found a rival for Rafa!:rolleyes:
     
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  48. tlm

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    Hey tennis guy kiss my ass you jackoff,now you want to talk about gold medals+ whatever.Still cant explain why fed the god cant handle nadal.You+ some of the other fed groupies start your personal attacks because not everybody agrees with you.I guess that is what you have to do because its hard to argue nadal 3 fed 1.
     
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  49. OkStateFan

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    lol you never answered his point about blake and Nadal, and dont pull this fed fans crap bcuz im not really a fed fan, according to ur logic blake's a better player than ur boy nadal. Tennis guy nailed it by saying ur logic was MORONIC, and besides if u dont have an answer to back up ur dumb statements dont go attacking ppl calling him a jack-off. He's right ur wrong. its that simple and lol as soon as you read this ull try to bash me cuz u dont have an answer to this post.
     
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    tlm, you just got OWNED!!!
     
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