Will Nadal have any rival to challenge him?

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  1. tlm

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    Who srarted the attacks first?I am still waitng for the answer of why fed has a losing record against nadal.I see fed boys dont want to talk about that,ya i will say tennisguy makes a good point.I want to see nadal+blake play a few more times.According to what i read here nadal+ blake are just runner ups there is only one master fed.There is a lot of talk of fed being the best of all time.And nadal is just claycourter,to defensive ,plays to physical of a game, it goes on+on.So it would seem impossible for him to win 3out of 4 against fed.I guess the personal attacks are okay if they come from someone that shares your opinion,I responded to the attacks that were started by tennisguy not me.
     
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  2. Bichigo

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    Geez I'm telling you.. Jimmy Connors would laugh in Nadals face! Jimmy Connor's brilliant smile and charm should easily pop any opponent's strings on demand. yes.. just like that..
     
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  3. epilespaul

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    yo, i am a Nadal's fan, but i reckon the stuff bout him going to win 35-40 grand slams is a lot of bull ****, if u ask me. SUre he is gud, but sooner or later , otha new players will outplay him and even outplay fed. Nadal may hav fed's numba, but it doesnt neccessarily mean he is betta... both their strenths and weaknesses in tennis are in different aspect.
     
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  4. OkStateFan

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    first of all tlm,tennis guy said pull ur head out of ur ass, he didnt call u a jerk-off there's a difference, and like i said im not talking about federer my discusion was only about nadal and blake.Your constantly making assumptions of what i believe and ur assuming wrong. i dont believe that nadals just a clay courter and plays a too physical game. You said u wanted an answer about federer and nadal from me, well seeing as how i didnt even discuss federer that would technically be a non-sequitor. Alls im saying is ur making nadal out be a giant like some ppl on the board do with federer, but according to ur logic nadal couldnt be a giant because there are others on tour that are better than him. i.e. James Blake
     
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  5. FuZz_Da_AcE

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    there is no chance in hell that this will happen. for one, sampras was arguably the greatest player in the world, yet he only ended up with 14 grand slam titles. two, very, very soon, federer will figure out a way to overcome nadal pernamently, and then federer's domination will re-continue. three, saying that a single man will dominate for the next 10-15 years is like saying that no world juniors ever existed...for example, bernard tomic, who is ranked 205 in the world juniors at 13. >>> http://www.tennisaustralia.com.au/pages/default.aspx?id=4&PageID=3295
     
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  6. idle_fire

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    The answer is everyboy is beatable. But don't make Fed like a looser like you did.

    hey tim you're really idiot and stubborn. All your posts is su**s!!
    I can tell you you're a Nadal-maniac. Almost all your posts blame Federer
    C'mon kid.....don't you have another topics in your brainless head....ugh!!!!! Even you don't like Federer (and i'm sure) try give him little bit respect...he's NO.1 IN THE WORLD and where all that comes from, foolish.

    Many times you said "Fed beating hacks players and rarely beat the top players" and what was that mean???
    Yoo kid, i'm fedfan but i respect that Nadal is good and he has power to beat anybody but in another side Fed also has. 7 GS at 24, well i'm just curious how many GS that Nadal will have when he is 24....

    Don't write any comment without any basis.
     
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  7. idle_fire

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    When i saw this post... i agree with what tennis guy said.
    YOU"RE A DUMB ASS AND DON"T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SPORTS.

    i can say nadal is better from Gasquet (at least for now) because they are same ages each other but Nadal got far more than Gasquet did. But think twice yoo amateur, so you think a 7 GS titles player is better than 1 GS title player??? Tennis is not about 2 players but there are many players out there. Well, Nadal lost twice to Blake but i don't think Blake is better than Nadal because all that Nadal got is better than Blake. So just don't look at a person from one side but there are many aspects that's make a player is better or not.
     
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  8. Shabazza

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    don't try to discuss with trolls - it's a waste of time!
    they're immune to logic and arguments and will just start to flame you.
    Ignore is the best option! ;)
     
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  9. tlm

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    Ya idle fire you call me an idiot + then write this: hey tim you're really idiot and stubborn. All your posts is su**s!! Now that is funny,did you pass 4th grade?
     
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    How can anyone who really follows the game truly believe that a one-dimensional baseliner that plays from 8 feet behind the court can ever dominate an effective all-courter? Nadal will have a run, and would be #1 for a time if Fed had never played the game. McEnroe drove Borg out of tennis because he had a more diverse game. Chang eventually wore himself down scrambling around at the backstop like Nadal does. Agassi and Connors also had no net games, but as mentioined previously, they played close to baseline and hit the ball on the rise, forcing the other guy to do the running. Nadal is just another Hewitt/Chang/dozens of Spaniards and Argentinians. Fed will figure out a way to dominate him just like he did Nalbandian. Sober up.
     
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    7 grand slams to 1 and winner of the last 3 slams. I think that makes it obvious that Federer is better than Nadal right now.
     
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  12. tlm

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    We will have to wait +see how many slams nadal will have by the time he is 24.Nadal already has 1 +he is only 19.I dont think fed had any until he was 22,if nadal keeps improving i think he will pass fed in grand slam titles.
     
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    I like that response. I might not agree with you about Nadal being better than Federer, but you're sticking to your guns and that's a good thing. A true fan never abandons his athlete so if we have this discussion in a few months and Nadal happens to be in a major slump, I'll expect you'll still be behind him.
     
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  14. Turning Pro

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    35-40 grands slams is where i stopped.Maybe i should of stopped earlier.
     
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    What are you waiting for?
    Even Federer not yet to stop getting his GSs. Maybe when Nadal get 7, Federer have 14. Admit it that now Federer is better than Nadal.

    tim: Once a jerk, still a jerk.
     
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  16. Grimjack

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    If Fed stops winning slams right now, Nadal could never catch him. Nadal is only a threat at one out of four, and he can only manage to stay healthy enough to play in that one once out of every three years or so.

    Nadal's legend = fraud.
     
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    Man, the insults are flying in this thread. I'll just stick to logic and tennis. I'm going to post something similar to an entry I made in another thread, if my memory serves, which seems to have disappeared, not my memory, the other thread. It was the one about who is better between Federer and Nadal. Does anyone know what happened to it?

    Anyway, how early ones success starts as a pro, is not always a good indicator of how succcesful ones career will be. Ok, Federer won his first Grand Slam when he was 21 and Nadal when he was 19. But Becker and Chang won their first Grand Slam when they were 17, and Hewitt was world No.1 at 20. Federer has already surpassed them all, despite his later start. The GS Chang won at 17 was his first and last. Becker won only 5 more, despite his enormous potential. In fact, Becker was the world No.2 at 19 as well. It took him another 5 years before he achieved the No.1 position and he was only there for a grand total of 12 weeks, with a 20 week interruption from Edberg, so not even consecutive weeks. He never ended the year as No.1. As for Hewitt, he has been totally left behind by Federer, maxing out at 2 majors. It is normally very tough to accumulate Grand Slams, which makes Federer's achievements all the more remarkable. Agassi was world No.3 at 18, but it took him up to the age of 30 to get to 8 Grand Slams, some almost never happened. Mats Wilander maxed out at 7, despite winning his first at 17. Federer is already at these figures and he is just getting started. All of the players mentioned here, were better than Federer at a younger age, as is Nadal, but the difference is, they did not have his potential and the capacity to realize it.

    Ok, so what is to stop Nadal doing just as well or better? Personally, I don't see Nadal winning more than 4 majors, max. I think he will win another, maybe 2 more, but I am even doubtful of a 4th. Nadal's style of play is far too defensive. It depends on him running everything down, very similar to Chang and Hewitt. This is a very tough way to play tennis in the modern game. I think that players with more firepower will, at some point, begin to get the better of him, as Federer and others have with Hewitt, and Blake did against Nadal in Indian Wells, and this will begin to take its toll.

    In my other post, someone suggested that Nadal was young and had time to develop a more attacking style. Yes, I believe this is true. I think he can improve that aspect of his game, but this is not his natural style, so I do not see him being able to produce this type of style efficiently, in the way that Becker, Sampras, Safin, Federer, Berdych etc can, it will always be a struggle.

    I also think that the mental challenges will become tougher for him now that he is no longer considered the underdog up and coming young gun with nothing to lose. He will be the favourite in most of his matches, apart from when he plays Federer, and there will be more pressure in the expectation he should win, as has been the case against Blake, a test that he has so far failed. Ironically, because he has now been beaten twice by him, in their next encounter he might fair better, because this expectation will not be present so much anymore, Blake, in fact, might feel there is pressure on him.

    I think Nadal will have a very good career, in the way that Chang, Muster, Hewitt etc have, but I do not see him achieving what Federer will in the game. I also think Federer will turn round the head to head.

    Now I'm going to save all of this, in case this post gets deleted as well. It would be great if anyone could tell me what happened to the other thread in the general area.

    Gaspard
     
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  18. jstr

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    Sounds like Federer had trouble seeing in the match vs. Nadal at the French in 2005, or so the commentators said. It was dusk and the powers that be weren't turning the lights on for whatever reason.
    As far as other matches go that he loses, he probably doesn't go "all out" at EVERY match because he'd burn out/acquire injuries. Sounds like players have to be superhuman to deal with this modern tournament schedule anyway.
    Anyway, Haas is Fed's man to contend with...
     
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    Ya he was crying about low light at the french, he just wanted to make an excuse for the butt whooping he was getting.Nadal made fed look bad at the french,fed was falling on his ass+throwing his little hissy fits.Then he wants to have the match called because of light.That showed his true colors right there,its easy to be a good winner but looked like mr. class showed a different side when he was losing.That is what is funny about this site, if roddick acts like a jerk at all he gets ripped to shreads,but pretty boy fed can be a poor loser+nobody says a word.And i am sure that is the only reason fed ever loses, because he dosent go all out.What kind of statement is that.Is that what happened last time he played nadal in the finals,he didnt go all out?
     
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  20. federerhoogenbandfan

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    Roger will challenge him.
     
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  21. gaspard

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    Actually, if you watch their matches again, I think you'll find that the balance was pretty tight in all of them, could have gone either way, although I did not see their first match, so I don't know about that one, I understand Federer was ill in that game. I don't think Federer is particularly concerned about Nadal because Nadal has the type of game that allows Fed to control a lot of the points and get into the match, it's just that Nadal gets so much back, so Federer has to watch his consistency and placement. There is no fear that he will be blown away be Nadal, in the way Hewitt and Sampras were in the US Open finals by Federer and Safin respectively. Nadal does not have that type of game, it is more of a scrambling and retrieving game. I think Federer will be more concerned about someone like Berdych in the future. Berdych is big, he can move and he has the firepower to hurt Federer, also, mentally, he already pretty much thinks he is the best or at least will be, he has that confidence. Of course he still needs to develop some more, but I see him being a real problem for Federer in the future if he continues to progress. Time will tell.

    Gaspard
     
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  22. stoneagle

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    From now on: Nadal will change his style or tactics soon,
    he will changed his style that didn't worked against blake.

    i think Nadal will play more agressive style, he will attack more
    on the net often when there is a chance. he will vary shot
    to throw off his opponents. he will improve his volley more.

    i don't think nadal will become a one dimensional player,
    of course he will evaluate his loss to blake and make few
    changes here and there. nadal is not stupid to not to
    change his tactics.
     
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  23. edberg505

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    Well, this is the 2nd time he's lost to him;)
     
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    This is easier said than done. Look at Roddick.
     
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  25. slice bh compliment

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    Good points. Now, I must ask....do you try to paint Federer as a gay male? Effeminate?
    If there is something you know that we do not, please correspond directly with Ace&Gary and Warriorroger (especially warriorroger).
    Thanks.
     
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    WOW, tlm, how did that taste dog? Moya just whooped Nadal. Who can challenge him? How about anyone on any given day!
     
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    Yes i agree, he's finished. do you have a magic 8 ball?
     
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  28. 1st seed alldayy

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    i think federer wants to beat pete sampras's record and he knows it that he has to beat nadal for it.
     
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    Well Pete's record is going down in just over a week.
     
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  30. lawlitssoo1n

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    federer ftw. LOOK at federer he's not as fit as nadal and he's still pwning. imagine if federer was super cut like nadal and could run as fast as nadal can federer would be godlike(he still is) all nadal on federer is his topspin, thats why nadal loses to tall ppl.

    however with one of the posts above, i think nadal will change his tactics. he has to work on his backhand slicing
    BUT nadal is still young and having knee problems already?? i don't see too much of a bright future
     
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  31. LxxP

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    Nadal and Federer are two great players. Im sure Federer and Nadal will win for a few more years before the next generation takes over.
     
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  32. DownTheLine

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    Nadal will not be on the tour for long because of his playing style.

    The real question is, will Novak and Murray have rivals? Excluding themselves.
     
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    Nadal is the greatest. So, no.
     
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    It's ashame how people only go with the times. Nadal might have seemed invincible, but I knew Federer would overtake him for the number 1 slot again.
     
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  36. scraps234

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    well whose number 1 now....:twisted:
     
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    Agreed... :)
     
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    I know this post is more than 3 years old but I have to comment on something. There was never any chance that Nadal would be dominating the game 12 years from now and he certainly wouldn't be on the tour 17 years from now.

    Even the youngest players on the tour like Ryan Harrison will be retiring if they haven't already retired in 17 years.
     
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  39. SuperDuy

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    roger federer is
     
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  40. Slice_Serve

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    Del Potro will win the hard court tournaments from here on since Federer is an old man, Roddick will win Wimbledon and Nadal/Soderling will win RG. Murraylol is going nowhere.
     
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  41. cork_screw

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    what do you mean by this thread? being that nadal has struggled since the start of Roland Garros everyone is a threat. He doesn't play the same, I think he needs to go back to his pirate pants and his cut off shirt, the inner tiger in him is caged.
     
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  42. Karlovic's Sunglasses

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    Nah, his knees are just screwed up dude. He wasn't going to last long anyway. He'll win a few more grand slams.
     
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    Fabricated knee injury, ITF forced injury time off to cover up and get off the roids, skinnier now, he'll ever will be the same. Will win some clay master series and another French or two but he won't win anymore hard or grass court major titles.
     
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    Wow, 3 years ago, you sure had the right idea.
     
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    Soderling and Del Potro come to mind as rivals to nadal lol...
     
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    Plenty. Top ten players ( With exception of Fed till he gets some more wins over him), aren't intimidated by him anymore, on HC at least. Instead, the Nadal now is a choke-resistant big-hitter's dream opponent on a HC.
     
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    4 years later...

    He's definitely on track for 35 grand slams lol...
     
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    RIDICULOUS!! nadal will have more GREAT wins out of him and i think he will be a contender for a long time. same with federer
     
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    i think sam querry/ john isner will be coming up soon. ANd del potro and soderling and monfils
     
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    Just another 29 to go. No problem at all.:)
     

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