Will people finally admit that Nadal is done as a top player?

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  1. Heracles

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    He may stay top 10 the next 2-3 years if he does not stop his career before but he is not anymore the player he once was.

    Djokovic really destroyed him, he humiliated him everywhere on everysurface and in every big tournament. Following this, Nadal has lost all his mental and confidence. He does not think anymore he si the best.

    Worst, he does not think anymore he can win against Djokovic. And he can't. He won't beat Djokovic except a fluke injury for the next 20 encouters.

    Knowing this, his motivation has felt drastically. Now that he know that he can't be the best anymore, he is vulnerable to all players. His play since the USO has been dramatic. And he has been injury free.

    Nadal will not win a new slam and people should stop finding excuses and thinking he will suddenly come back. The Nadal we knew is gone.
     
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    Nadal still has his RG trophy, if he loses that next year(and doesn't compensate by winning a different slam) that it may be time to start predicting doom and gloom, too early for that now.
     
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    He has it just because Federer did all the work for him.

    He would have lost badly against Djokovic.
     
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    We don't know that, it's a possibility but the bottom line is he held on to his best slam this year and also made two additional slam finals.

    It's Novak's problem he couldn't beat Federer whom Nadal beat year after year at RG.
     
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  5. The Bawss

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    If Djoko had beaten Fed, then Nadal in the final, Nadal would have retired for the rest of 2011 citing "injury" just like in 2009 but worse.
     
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    Yes 2011 was not the results of a top player
     
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    Haha, since Nadal is clearly the 2nd best guy this year nobody other than Djokovic is a top player. And given that the Serb didn't make the Semis at the WTF he is no top player, either. So basically, there is no top player anymore, right? :lol::lol:
     
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    Same old same old. Big daddy bets it all :)

    Nadal is a top player and will continue for at least a couple of seasons. We all gave him like couple of seasons back in 2008 but he's still here and seems like he'll stay for a couple more imho.
     
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    Tell del potro;).
     
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    If fresh Del Potro can't even beat a tired Ferrer, how could he beat Nadal? :lol:
     
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  11. beast of mallorca

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    I agree with you Heracles. You are the wisest here in TW. Rafa will not win a new slam after his 20 th GS. You are the oracle of all sage.
    Bye, bye Rafa. Arrivederci,Da bo ti, sayonara Rafa. You have brought tennis so much. Fed will be so hapy.

    By the way, Rafa sends one last buttpicking for you, 2 scratches....hoot,hoot.
     
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  12. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Very ironic that Fed had to win FO2011 for Nadal in order to stop Djoker from having a CYGS.
     
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  13. beast of mallorca

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    How ironic truly. Aren't you glad that Fed did not win a GS for the first time and Djoker won 3 and Rafa 1 ? How ironic indeed. 1 buttpicking for you, from Rafa with love, lol
     
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    well, people were saying the same thing back in 2009. then Rafa won 3 GS in 2010. He is a strange beast. I'd say let's wait and see.
    Many guys were dismissing Djokovic as a one slam wonder back in 2010. We all know what happened in 2011. then Novak lost few matches at the end of the season and same guys are predicting that he is spent now, he won't be able to defend his points, blah, blah...
    Federer was called *******, Shankerer just a few months ago. he was done. then Roger showed to everyone that he can still play some fantastic tennis. Now, after he won Basel, Paris and the YEC people are predicting he'll win 5 more slams etc.

    We tend to exaggerate so much. It's not even fun.

    The tennis crowds here (all other tennis boards included) are very finicky and so hard to please.
     
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  15. TopFH

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    ^However, in 09, he had no one beating everywhere like Djokovic is now. But, let's wait after RG to say Nadal is done. If he doesn't win against Djokovic next year, he may be done.
     
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  16. GOAT BAAH!!!

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    Knee Jerk Warehouse is at it again...
     
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  17. OddJack

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    What you say is true, but it's also true that no beast is forever.

    That's why next year's FO is the most important major, at least to me, because it will tell alot about the balance of power among top 4.
     
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    People are stupid

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  19. beast of mallorca

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    Congratulations Rafa for winning for your country the 2011 Davis Cup. That's another sign that he's done ! Next.
     
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  20. Mick

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    to accept that nadal is done, you would have to believe that djokovic will continue to play like he did in 2011 but i don't think even djokovic himself believes that would happen and if nadal gets into a final and the other finalist isn't djokovic (or federer on fast surfaces), he would have a good chance of winning it. (nadal's problem in 2011 was the other finalist in the big matches was always djokovic)
     
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    With the same argument, to believe that he is Not done, you would have to believe that Nadal will continue to play like he did in 2011, making the final of 3 out of 4 majors, and 4 master finals, and win at least RG 2012. If he fails to win that major in june, then people will have strong argument to beleivel so.

    In other words, whether he is done or not, has more to do with how he plays, than how Djoker does next year, since other guys are there to challenge him. Murray, is one. Del Po another.
     
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  22. Mick

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    well. i don't know if you have read a comment that tsonga made recently about how nadal and federer are better than djokovic because they have performed so well for so many years. so, i don't know how well nadal is going to perform in 2012 but i expect he won't drop off the chart.
     
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    The comment Tsonga made was about their overall achievements, not who's better at the moment or this year.

    BTW, I heard one of the ********* said that he had to do some knee injection before Monaco match. So his health is still under a question mark.
     
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    A typical TT rookie - the attention span of a fruit fly ...
     
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    For my eyes, Nadal needs to buy Ferrer a beer tonight, because if he hadnt softened Delpo up...it would have been straight sets victory

    Delpo clearly ran out of gas the middle of the second set, which happened to coincide with Rafa's improved "form".

    I saw nothing from Rafa today that would make me declare his is returning to his2008 beast mode or even his 2010 mode. Id be very concerned with that bh, the defensive posture on court and shocked home many times he was beaten on the fh side for clear winners. Rarely saw that before against Rafa. All delpo crushed all those weak mid court shots rafa was coughing up. I think once Rafa sensed delpo was tiring he did a good job of hunkering down on the defense but still..If he takes that form into 2012, its going to be a very interesting year in the majors.

    As I said before 2012 is wide open:

    1) where will djoker be mentally and physically?
    2) is rafa declining, where he be mentally and physically
    3) can murray mentally step up
    4) can fed find his game outdoors
    5) will a player like tsonga, delpo, soderling berdych be fit and healthy enough to make a challenge.

    2012 is wide open.
     
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    you have that opinion about yourself?
     
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    Nadal will win 1 more RG and that will be the end of his GS winning days. The prophet has spoken.
     
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    LOL. I know, right? I was thinking "I hope this poster wrote this before the final, otherwise he's going to look even more ridiculous than he already does."

    :lol:
     
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    Real prophets come from Cardiff, Wales and not Nottingham. You're a fraud.
     
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    Well better for Fedal to have a 3:1 distribution than 4:0, no? Else Djoker would have accomplished what Fedal could never.
     
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  31. Crisstti

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    Rafa came back from 40-0 to break in the second game of the second set. Hardly half of it.
     
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    ok, but are u seriously gonna say that delpo wasnt already tenderized by ferrer?
     
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  33. nadalwon2012

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    Who cares if Nadal is done. At least he will win more slams than Djokovic and Federer in 2012. That may not mean much with Federer being an indoor specialist and Djokovic unable to survive a year of top flight tennis without breaking down.....but Nadal only has to beat the leftovers, just as Federer did for 3 years before the tour got strong again. The tour belongs to Nadal until Tomic fully arrives. So who cares if Nadal is done... Being done is good enough to win slams and get the number one ranking back.
     
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  34. Devilito

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    The only way Nadal drops out of the top 10 is if he retires due to mental or physical burnout. His tennis ability will always be top 10. I don’t see Nadal as the type of player that would cruise around the low rankings hoping to make a move at slams like Sampras did at the end of his career. He’s an all or nothing type of person IMO.
     
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  35. luishcorreia

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    Are you for real?

    Nadal had a very good season. He won a Grand Slam and went to the final of more two (Winbledon and US Open). He also went up to the final of several Masters 1000 tournament: Madrid, Rome, Monaco, Miami, Indian Wells.

    IMO it was a better season than Federer, who only won 3 tournaments and went without a Slam.

    Nadal is ranked number 2 in the world, how can you say he is done?
     
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  36. beast of mallorca

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    Don't take these haters seriously. It's all a wishfull thinking.
     
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    Wonder what the thread-starter was saying at the end of 2009 :lol:
     
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    Federer at 30 years of age won 4 titles (not 3) this year which is still more than Nadal even though the Spaniard is 25.
     
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    Yeah Basel is so much more important than the FO
     
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    He would have won a lot of tournaments this year if it weren't for Djoker having one of the best years ever, and if Djoker can't repeat it then Nadal will be right there, but either way he is still a top player, at least I think #2 is.
     
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  41. beast of mallorca

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    Basel is the true Grand Slam.....didn't you get the memo ? It replaced the Cincinnati.
     
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    Nadal was done since 2009.....now he is well done...
     
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  43. tennis_pro

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    Yeah Barcelona is so much more important than the WTF

    at least Federer won his titles fair and square, he was by far the most in-form player at the end of 2011, Nadal had to avoid Djokovic in all 3 tournaments on clay he won
     
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    Nadal's peak has gone,that is a given.Some are mentioning his comeback from injury in 2010,but Nadal was 2 years younger at the start of the 2010 season.

    2 years in tennis is like being 20 years older in normal human years.So his best tennis has been seen and passed.He would struggle to even to match the 7-6 set at the USO this year against Djokovic.

    Having said that while his peak has been and gone we can't say for any certainty that his GS form has gone.Federer,Sampras and Agassi all won GS after their peak powers had faded.

    Although like a lot of grinders over the years he will probably tail off much quicker than those guys.Muster,Courier,Chang,and Hewitt come to mind not that they were all time greats but when you are a predominantly defensive player then how do you win points later on in life when the wheels have gone?

    I reckon he will still win a slam but slams not so sure.Top player he is not done.
     
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    That slimy Nadal. He should not have beaten who was in front of him. He should have demanded to the International Courts of Justice to let him play Djokovic instead or else not play at all. This is so unfair. This is just a travesty of justice. :shock:
     
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    in a year you win big titles (including a major) and go 0-6 against your toughest rival, it's fair to say you would lose them all if you faced him
     
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  47. beast of mallorca

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    So, what can you do ? Whine and cry all day about it or accept what has happened and move on ?
     
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    Oh I can never get bored of bashing Nadal. Of course I will continue to cry all day.
     
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    Lol what a retarded thread.

    Murray and 99% of the tour would kill to finish their career with what Nadal achieved this year! 1 slam, DC and 2 slams finals. If it wasn't for Djoker mk2 he would have 12 GS's.

    I don't think Djoker is finished yet though, I see 2 slams in 2012
     
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  50. Rjtennis

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    As much as i dont care for the knicker picker (Rafa), he is not out of the mix to win GS titles on any surface. He made the USO final last year by basically just defending well and that says quite a bit. Now if Rafa starts to lose foot speed because of the toll his game takes on the body, his stock will fall quick. Rafa's game is based 99% on defending so he need to be quick.
     
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