Will Ralph win AO 2013?

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Will Ralph win AO 2013?

Poll closed Dec 29, 2012.
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  1. monfed

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    He came within an inch of beating Djokovic plus Ralph's game perfectly suits the slow HC of AO where he can keep sending balls back till the cows come home.:lol:
    I can't see Fed or Murray stopping him if he gets back to form(and we've seen how he gets back to form in like 2 matches,weird isnt it?). Murray hasnt quite convinced me of his mental strength yet after capitulating post USO.

    I think it could be a repeat of this year's final only this time Ralph takes it. I think Ralph is the co-favourite with Djokovic,what are your thoughts on the matter?
     
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  2. Mike Sams

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    There are only so many comebacks one can make before things just start to get tougher and tougher. Last I checked, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro all have been extremely active while Nadal has been on the shelf. Furthermore, they all share a common trait. They've all crushed Nadal in Slams and they've all won Slams and they're all younger than Nadal and have far less wear and tear on their bodies. Nadal's going to have to EARN anything he gets with these guys around who are improving and getting stronger mentally. These are his main foes and Nadal hasn't had much success trying to beat Murray and Djokovic back to back. Just to beat 1 of them takes a formidable effort...try beating the both of them. Even Federer struggles to beat them back to back.
     
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  3. Monsieur_DeLarge

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    Given your avatar and comment history, I'll presume this is just a jinx thread.

    But if you're serious? I can't see him coming back to form so soon after such an extended layoff. He's surprised me before with his 2010 successes after missing Wimbledon the previous year, but that was nothing like as long a break, and his opposition are all playing better now than three years ago. Remember too that Rafa's only ever won the AO once before ~ yet you're talking like it's almost a foregone conclusion...? :rolleyes:

    My gut feeling is a quarter-final defeat if he gets an unkind draw (e.g. an in-form JMDP), or a run to the semis if he's paired against someone like Berdych.


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  4. President

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    Stop making these awful threads and posts OP, you are disgracing Federer fans and your country, not to mention yourself... :?
     
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  5. Mike Sams

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    People seem to disregard the fact that Nadal was 1 point away from going down 2 sets to love against Berdych in their AO quarterfinal match this year. Nadal had to save a set point or he'd have been in a real mess. Berdych isn't as easy a matchup as people tend to think. Nothing less than Nadal's best will get it done if Berdych is in form. Obviously the AO hardcourts suit Nadal's game much much better than Berdych's game.
     
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  6. monfed

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    If you have nothing constructive to contribute please leave the thread,kthx!
     
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  7. Sabratha

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    Nadal will make the quarters, maybe the semifinals.
     
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  8. beast of mallorca

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    Cvac will win the AO 2013, beating Fred in the finals. Ralf will not even reach the second round (I swear I'm not Clarky)
     
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  9. sbengte

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    Duh , what is the matter with you OP ? Ralph has AO 2013 in the bag . The only suspense is if he will win the CYGS or not next year.
     
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  10. vive le beau jeu !

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    may clarky be right. :)
     
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  11. batz

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    You can get up to 9/1 for him if you do think he'll win it.
     
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    Let me get this right - what happened after the USO in best of 3 tournaments was more of an indicator of Murray's mental strength in relation to the Australian Open than his USO win and his best of 5 win over Roger in the OG final - have I got that right?
     
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  13. psYcon

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    Who coined the term Ralph for Nadal?? Was it Brad Gilbert?
     
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  14. monfed

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    Can you remind me of the number of MPs Murray squandered after winning USO? I've lost count..
     
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  15. 90's Clay

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    I doubt it... Thats asking a lot Hes been off for 6 months and to ask him to come in and win the Australian after that much time with very little preparation and very little match play.

    If he was only off for a month or two, sure. But since last summer, thats a long time
     
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  16. Razoredge

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    I think Nadal will play at a whole new level in 2013, I don't think Murray/Djokovic will be able to stop him. Most likely Prime Federer would be the only person that's able to stop 2013 Nadal, too bad he's gone.
     
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    people keep talking about time off and how he might not come back.

    I heard the same things said when Agassi had is bad 1993 and was off the tour for a long period.
     
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  18. batz

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    He had 8 and squandered about half of them. So - back to the question I asked - you think that these missed match points in best of 3 matches have more of a bearing on Murray's chances of winning the AO than his USO and OG wins? Really?
     
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  19. NatF

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    Andy showed great mental strength in the USO final by stopping Novak's come back. But his demolishing of Roger in the Gold Medal match wasn't really one which required mental strength. Andy was in dominating form and Roger was lackluster, he didn't need to be particularly strong to win that day. I think the way he fought during some of those long games versus Roger in the Wimbledon final were far more impressive. That 20 minute game really showed what he was made of in my opinion.
     
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  20. batz

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    I get where you are coming from mate, but he was 0-3 in best of 5 matches against his opponent. He was reduced to tears by the same opponent, on the same court, in front of millions of people just 4 weeks earlier. IMO it takes a bit of mental strength to come back from that.
     
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  21. batz

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    For the record I think Noel will win the AO, with Roger as a good outside bet.
     
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  22. Mike Sams

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    :lol: :lol: Delusional *******s still trying to keep hope alive.
     
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  23. monfed

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    I see your point but the way he squandered MPs against Djokovic was disheartening,wasnt it? Not so much the ones he blew against Jerzy Janowicz.
    The next time he plays Djoker he's gonna wonder what it's gonna take to win.

    Murray's never been short on game,he should've beaten Djoker at AO this year, if they meet again then the missed MPs in their most recent encounter will haunt him since that will be fresher in his mind than his USO win.
     
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  24. monfed

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    Delpo won't be able to hit Ralph off the court ala USO 09,Berdych is mentally not quite there against Ralph either. Murray's mental level is always a question mark so its down to Djokovic to stop him.
     
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    It took mental strength to start the match strongly without nerves, I'll give you that. But once he was reeling off game after game I don't think it was much of a mental battle personally. The US Open is by far the better example I think.

    I feel Nole is the favorite with Andy and Roger in second/third, the order will depend on how good Roger's form is at the start of 2013. He dropped off a bit after Cincinnatti until the final two rounds of the WTF.
     
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  26. Razoredge

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    Not a *******, I'm just not dumb enough to think that this crazy guy won't be starving after spending half a year off tennis courts.
     
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  27. kalyan4fedever

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    He can win if he gets enough practice by beating the players in first rounds, that way his confidence can be up and the only player i see stopping nadal anyway is djokovic or his knees. But i am still not sure how his knees will be before AO or whether he plays full tourni staying perfectly fit. It can go 3 ways , either he decides not to play AO at the last moment, he will play but retire in mid rounds, he will play fully with no knee problem and get to finals.
     
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  28. Mike Sams

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    Keep trying to convince yourself. There is a shift happening in tennis as we speak. The Federer-Nadal era of domination is coming to an end. Neither of Federer nor Nadal are going to take out Murray-Djokovic back to back. Then add in the second tier of threats including Del Potro and Berdych. If you actually watch tennis at all, you'll realize that Federer is losing to both Del Potro and Berdych recently. And you'll also see that Nadal is having a lot of difficulty with these same players, not to mention having great difficulty in beating Murray, let alone Djokovic.
    People say Berdych is Nadal's pigeon. Even so, Berdych was 1 point away from being up 2 sets to 0 on Nadal at the AO. The same Berdych who stretched Nadal to 3 sets in Miami. As I said, analyze the matches and then factor in that Nadal and Federer are not spring chickens. The competition is intense and there are more threats to these guys than just Djokovic alone.
     
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  29. Mike Sams

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    Berdych, Del Potro, Federer, Murray, Tsonga, Verdasco, Ferrer, Isner are all more than capable of taking Nadal out of the AO.
     
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  30. AnotherTennisProdigy

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    IMO a semi-final run would be an extremely successful run, quarter final would be good too. I'm keeping my expectations low, I think he's going to start off slow and then pick up pace as we get to the clay season.
     
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  31. batz

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    Bloody right it was! But he'd just won the USO; so it doesn't matter :)

    Listen - of course I wish Murray had taken those MP and beaten Noel in Shanghai - but I don't think it will have much bearing on their future matches.
     
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  32. Razoredge

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    Wrong, 2013 Nadal is too powerful for those guys. He'll beat them all handily in straights if he plays them in 2013.
     
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  33. kalyan4fedever

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    we'll see 1.5 months only till AO.
     
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  34. Clarky21

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    OP is such a pathetic troll. He hates Nadal so much he believes that starting threads like this will jinx him.
     
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    I can't see the problem in Nadal's lay-off. It shouldn't be a problem if he's practicing correctly and doesn't have various body parts giving him problems. I mean, he's not a rechargeable battery, so don't expect him to win it, but it's not a race either. After a bit of match practice, he should be back to top 4 form.
     
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  36. NadalAgassi

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    OP is a renowned Nadal hater so this is obviously a jinx thread (which wont work, if Nadal doesnt do well it will be because he has played no tennis in 6 months, not because of a silly thread). That said I do agree on one thing, if Nadal ends up in Federers half he will probably make the final, and I would even favor him over Murray in a slam head to head still.
     
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  37. Ralph

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    And there was me thinking that Gorecki, here, inspired me to join with my username and photo as is.

    Oddly, I loved seeing Monfed term Nadal as Ralph, and that people are now used to such a wonderful name for the infamous bull...from Spain.
     
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  38. zagor

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    I don't think Nadal would be able beat (if he draws works out that way) Murray and Novak back-to-back to win the title, that would be too much to ask after such a long layoff.

    However, he'll definitely beat Fed if they meet in SF (irregardless of their respective forms in the tourney prior to the match) and Berdych in QF.

    Obviously I'd also favour him over Ferrer and Delpo in a potential QF match-up but those two have a puncher's chance IMO (especially taking into account Nadal's probable rustiness).

    People who think he's due for an upset need to wake up, the conditions are too suitable for Nadal, his game too hard/uncomfortable to play against for the vast majority of the field (I don't think most people on this forum realize how hard it is too attack Nadal's heavy balls) for him to lose early even if he's rusty and far from his best.
     
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  39. monfed

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    Why would you prefer Ralph over Murray at AO(Murray's favourite slam)? Last I checked Ralph got quite badly demolished at AO 2010,isnt it? Or is your memory weakening as you age,professor? :lol:
     
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  40. monfed

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    Nah,Ralph will be thrusted into Fed's draw as usual and he will make the final atleast. On a good day he might actually get the W against Djokovic/Murray. Nothing has changed since his extended vacation.
     
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    Murray's fit but not on Nadal and Novak's level still in that regard, a grueling match against Novak in SF could drain his reserves.

    Tell me, what do you think would have happened at this year's AO if Murray managed to get past Novak (which he was very close to do)?

    If he is in Fed's half, I'd favour him to reach the final no doubt.

    He could get a win against Novak and Murray individually but beating them both back-to-back (on HC in BO5) after 6 months of no match-play would be too tall of an order IMO.
     
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  42. NadalAgassi

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    zagor, why havent you posted in my Sabatini/Murray thread yet. You were a huge fan of Sabatini and are a big fan of Murrray right.
     
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  43. monfed

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    At this year's AO, I would've picked Ralph over Murray as Murray would've wilted away as usual. But this is the improved Murray and he can beat him,but like you said I didn't take into account his SF match against Djokovic, so good on you for bringing that up.


    Perhaps but he has shown superhuman stamina as in 2009,remember? Ralph never gets tired for some reason,it's inexplicable really. :lol:
     
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  44. NadalAgassi

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    You are the one who started a stupid thread about Nadal not playing for 6 months winning the Australian Open, not me. I guess given your miniature pea brain it is very hard to remember what you are trying to argue, so I shouldnt be too hard on you. While explaining anything to a vegetable like yourself is almost impossible I will humor you and attempt it. Last 3 slams Murray and Nadal played on 3 different surfaces, Nadal won all 3, none going 5 sets. So if Nadal is playing well enough to reach Murray, which means he is in atleast the semis, he is likely playing well enough to beat Murray. Doesnt mean Murray cant win, he has beaten Nadal 2 out of their 9 slam meetings after all so anything is possible, but Nadal's chances vs anyone but Djokovic if he reaches that stage are very good.

    The Australian Open is not Murray's favorite slam. His best and favorite slam by far is the U.S Open where he has won and been in 2 finals. He was in 2 finals in Australia as well and got murdered in both of them, was in one U.S Open final but it was his maiden slam final. He is better on fast courts than slow courts which everyone knows, so by what absurd logic would the Australian be his best and favorite slam. He often gets easier draws there and tougher ones at the U.S Open and Wimbledon, otherwise the disparity would be even more.
     
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  45. zagor

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    Didn't even know such thread existed until now to be honest.

    I liked Gabi and like Murray's game (especially when he adds a good dose of offense to it) and what he brings to the game but wouldn't necessarily say I was/am a huge fan of them (so fan, but not a big fan), I'll be sure to check it out.

    I do feel that at their best levels, Murray was/is more close to the top stars of his era compared to Sabatini and I do consider Murray to be more mentally tough overall, it's just that he had a mental block in a specific situation (slam final).

    I'd also be very surprised if Andy stops at one slam title, I could definitely see him ending his career with 4-5.
     
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  46. Tony48

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    Clarky said he will, so the answer is yes.
     
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  47. batz

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    Hmmmmmm.

    I know what the numbers say mate, but IMO Murray has played some of his best tennis at the Australian Open.
     
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  48. NadalAgassi

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    Well personally I consider Murray better on faster courts than slow and best on hard courts so combining the two his bests slams would be:

    1. U.S Open

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    2. Wimbledon and Australian Open (virtual tie)


    -----gap-----

    4. French Open


    I know he has better stats at the Australian, but at Wimbledon he lost to Nadal before the final 3 different times so those are skewed. I do think he can win alteast 1 Wimbledon and atleast 1 Austrailan Open in his career though, and it would be dissapointing for him if he doesnt win at those venues. U.S Open will be his best slam, could see him winning up to 3 there.

    The stats obviously favor the U.S though with a title + runner up > 2 runner up defeats in blowout finals, and 1 remaining semifinal at both venues. He also had more good wins at the U.S Open, and generally gets tougher draws there.
     
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  49. batz

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    I think you're probably right - wins in places like Cincy and Rotterdam would tend to support this view; but consider this - Murray doesn't like playing on Armstrong; and he doesn't like it because he finds it too quick.

    I think Murray likes most hardcourts and that he generally goes into the AO feeling fresh and ready to go; that's why he tends to play well there.
     
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  50. NadalAgassi

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    Fair points. Has he ever specifically said which is his "favorite" slam. Irregardless of favorite I still think his best career results will continue to be the U.S, in part since Djokovic is almost unbeatable at the Australian and IMO will be the Australian Open GOAT by the time he retires (might be even if he wins this coming year as expected).
     
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