Will Ralph win AO 2013?

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Will Ralph win AO 2013?

Poll closed Dec 29, 2012.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Fed in 4

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  1. cc0509

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    Who cares if Berdych stretched Nadal to three sets in Miami or was one point away from being two sets to none at the AO, did Berdych end up winning in the end? No, he did not and until he is able to beat Nadal, he is Nadal's pigeon.

    The competition is intense? Right so intense that Nadal can be away for more than six months and still be fourth in the world. The competition is so intense the same three guys have been winning the slams for how many years? There is NO competition below the top four, got it? Nadal could be away for two years and come back and be better than most of those duds in the men's field today.
    You will be eating your words here about Nadal, I am willing to bet you. Let's pull up this post in six months to a year's time and see where we are shall we?
    I am a Federer fan but what you are spewing about Nadal and the rest of the field is nonsense.
     
  2. cc0509

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    I think Nadal will get to at least the SF's easily at the AO if he actually plays it.
     
  3. cc0509

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    Correct. People must be delusional to think Del Potro, Berdych or Ferrer are going to bother even an "off" Nadal at the AO, a surface which favors him. Do these people actually watch tennis? :confused:
     
  4. abmk

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    yes, he has, he lost to tsonga in AO 2010 ....
     
  5. Clarky21

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    I was including next year's AO.
     
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    I think those guys can beat Nadal. Especially if he is still injured/rusty when he comes back. I also don't think he will make the semi,and will be fortunate to make the second week.
     
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    Could not disagree more. I think if he actually plays the AO he will get to the SF at least.
     
  8. abmk

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    just like RG 2012 or USO 2012 ? ( he was supposed to win , right ? ) oh wait ...:oops:
     
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    people would have been considered delusional for thinking rosol would beat an even less "off" nadal at wimbledon.that loss is still in rafas head... and the rest of the field for that matter.as nadal will tell you,confidence is a big thing.the bloke has won the AO once and had another final in 8 attempts and you think he's gonna win after a 5 month lay off?all hes doing is gearing up for another hot claycourt season.lets see what happens.
     
  10. Tony48

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    Clarky PM'd me and told me that she thinks that Nadal will win the CYGS next year. Someone tell her that that is crazy!
     
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    Only thing we can do is wait and see,but I'm sure Cvac will win the AO again next year.
     
  12. Goosehead

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    you are the delusional one..:shock: try watching tennis next time not when you are asleep (thats dreams that is) but when you are awake and your eyes are open (thats reality that is).
     
  13. zagor

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    Well I didn't dismiss Del Potro and Ferrer to that degree, they have a (very) small chance if Nadal's rusty, Ferrer is playing amazing tennis lately (and can trouble Nadal on HC) and Delpo does have a tendency to give Nadal tough matches, say give 10% of a shot to both of them.

    Berdych and Fed on the other hand have no chance against Nadal at AO (regardless of his form).

    Regarding Murray and Novak, I'd say Novak would be a 60-40 (or 70-30 if he's in good form) favourite and against Murray I'd call it 55-45 in Murray's favour if they meet before the final.
     
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    Janowicz in straights.
     
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    Murray will probably make the final - but I don't think it will be against Djokovic.
     
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    I disagree , on chances against nadal @ AO 2013, I'd go :

    djoker > murray > federer > ferrer > delpo > berdych ...

    ferrer got his chance against a sub-par nadal in 2011, federer in decent form would have beaten that nadal there , no doubt ....

    delpo hasn't really shown a performance of brilliance @ the AO ...

    berdych of course has been comprehensively owned by nadal in the past few years ....
     
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    If Nadal is on the Federer's side of the draw, the finals is very possible, and even the title, but if he draws Djokovic, semifinal is realistic result.
     
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    Don't think so.............
     
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    Nadal would have to be pretty rusty.

    I would not say Federer has no chance against Nadal at the AO , but his chances are not great that is for sure. Fed is always full of surprises it seems so I would say Federer has a much better shot at Nadal there than Ferrer or Del Potro does.
     
  20. All-rounder

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    Nadal has been away too long for me to believe he has a shot at the title. Even if healthy I still say Djokovic or Murray will beat him in the SF or F.

    As for this current discussion here I laugh at the level of denial shown by some users who actually think anybody outside the top 4 is beating Rafa in a best of 5.
     
  21. Clarky21

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    Happened at Wimby.
     
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    An upset like that won't happen frequently and you know that. You honestly don't think that Nadal being hiatus for half a year didn't have something to do with his health during Wimbledon.
     
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    Yeah I do,but anything can happen,and Nadal's draw could pose a problem if he draws some ballbashers/hard hitters early. We also don't know how his knees are going to hold up when he comes back,or how bad he's going to play. He could lose in the first round for all we know.
     
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    Rogi felt for the young Brit after Wimby as tearing up himself on final days, had his Olympic moment with Delpo and just did not have the heart to spank him again in front of his people twice in less than a month.
     
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    No-one coming back from a 6 month layoff is going to win the first major they play imo. You can train as much as you like but there's no substitute for match-play.

    I give Nadal about 5% of winning the tournament, about 20% chance of reaching the final and about 20% chance of losing before the semis.
     
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    i think that if nadal's training goes well..and so far he has been back hitting on the court for 10 or 11 days so far,

    if rafa/**** reaches the QF, i think thats an achievable goal after all his problems, a SF would be having to defeat a top 8 player (if there are no upsets early)..i think rafa and 'uncle toni' dont really know what to expect or how he will do..

    so im going for a bit of vamos-ing to reach the QF..maybe SF at the absolute maximum..:)

    rafa fanatics cant seriously expect a final or even a win..some folk want the moon on a stick :shock:
     
  27. Crisstti

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    Nadal wasn't just sub-par, he was injured. Of course Fed would have beaten him there as well.

    Of course he does. than Ferrer anyway. I think Fed fans do a little what Clarky does when they say Fed has no chance against Nadal, even when the latter has been out for six months. They just want to lower expectations to the minimum, and say how much a goat he is if he then goes and beats Nadal.

    Fedobviously has a chance, and a relatively good one, depending on Nadal's level. Ferrer, on the other hand, just doesn't have the game to beat a healthy Nadal.
     
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    Quite possibly but Fed would hardly get to play Nadal in such (very) poor form, they can only meet in SF or F.

    But he does have a tendency to give Nadal tough matches, he played him tough at Wimbledon in 2011 and even tougher in 2011 DC final on clay which are their last two matches.

    Yes, Berdych is not a threat.
     
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    Ferrer beat Nadal 2 times in HC slams, Fed never did.

    Ferrer also has far less mileage than Fed despite their similar age and is more able to go the distance with Nadal on a slow outdoor HC BO5 match (what I mean to say is that he's fitter than Fed).

    Time and again in this match-up, their respective recent form has proved to be of little relevance.

    Regardless, Nadal might have been out six months but Fed is 31 year old facing a 5 year younger tough match-up on a slow as molasses outdoor court, that match would inevitably turn into a grinding contest and Fed sure as hell ain't gonna win those at his age and given his mileage, especially against someone like Nadal.


    There are no expectations (even if Nadal wasn't in the draw Fed's chances of winning AO wouldn't be great so it's not a big deal), if they meet at AO, Nadal will win, simple as that.

    At Wimbledon and maybe even USO Fed still has somewhat of a shot but at AO? No.

    I'm the only one in this thread who said Fed doesn't have a shot against Nadal at AO and I never called Fed the GOAT even once for all my time posting here (I don't even believe in the concept of the GOAT) so what you say here is absolutely incorrect.

    However if we're generalizing about fan groups, I could also say Nadal fans talk up Fed as an opponent and how Nadal is such a warrior to achieve victory but then turn around and say Fed is a mentally weak crybaby with no BH who won anything of note due to weak era.

    Hope, he'd stand a relative good chance in this same circumstances (Nadal's long layoff) if he was 25, definitely not now.

    Murray and Novak stand a relative good chance against Nadal at AO, no one else does.

    On clay and grass he doesn't but on HC he does.
     
  30. monfed

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    Hey sb,how you been? I agree,Ralph will blitz his way to a CYGS in 2013.
    Ralph 3.0 will be simply unstoppable,he's been practicing a ton in his vacation.
     
  31. Clarky21

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    Nadal ain't Fed because Fed isn't a colassal mug like Nadal is,so Fed fans have a whole lot more to be happy about than Nadal fans do. Fed is also the GOAT,and one of the most talented players to ever play the game. Nadal,otoh,is not. Fed fans should definitely cut their guy some slack considering all that he has achieved. If Nadal lands in Fed's half of the draw and by some miracle makes it to Fed,he will lose. Fed fans need to get real with this Fed can't beat Nadal stuff.


    And yes my expectations of Nadal are as low as low gets.


    Yes he does. Especially on hardcourts.
     
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  32. Mike Sams

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    You're being stupid:)
    Did you even watch their AO match in the QF this year? Berdych was 6-5 up and at Love-40. Nadal had to save 3 set points. He lost the set in the tiebreaker. Berdych had a set point in the second set in the tiebreaker also. Basically Nadal escaped from going down 2 sets to love by the skin of his teeth. You think Nadal himself doesn't consider Berdych a threat? :lol:
    Stop being so naive! Nadal takes Berdych extremely seriously whenever they play.
     
  33. monfed

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    At the end of the day, you either win/lose. There are no points for competing/coming superclose, but I do see your point. When is Berdych gonna cross the line then?
     
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    One thing is form and another being out for 6 months just returning from injury. You cannot possibly think that Federer has no chance at all, I find it hard to believe. I'm not even saying he'd be the favourite, but there's no way he has no chance. he even had a chance against Nadal in RG in 2011.
     
  35. Crisstti

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    Berdych should have lost the first set and therefore lost in straight sets.

    Anyway, I've no doubt Nadal takes him seriously, and he had to play brilliantly to beat him there, because Berdych was really playing great in that tournament as well.
     
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    Are you stupid? Nadal was the one in a defensive position and was down Love-40 on his serve with Berdych having 3 set points. Berdych also had Nadal on the ropes in the second set. The best thing that ever happened to Nadal was benefiting from the slow as molasses AO court which allows pushers and grinders to defend against anything and everything. It's just how the sport is nowadays. The organizers just want super long extended rallies.
     
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    Last I saw, Berdych wasn't the one whining and moaning to the ATP about needing a 2 year ranking, wanting more clay court events, wanting the net to be raised 2" higher, whining about the damage being done to his knees on hardcourts and making injury excuses after every loss.:neutral:
     
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    Whatever, I've had enough of this argument with you. You'll just see what you want to see anyway.
     
  39. svijk

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    Why is Rafa called ralph...who came up with that?
     
  40. monfed

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    If TBerd wins the big points against Ralph if they play again at the AO, there is no reason for him to NOT win. But he doesn't, that's the issue here. He may go 2 -0 sets up serving at 5-3 40-0 in the third but will still find a way to lose. I hope that changes,the guy is very talented but mental issues are the hardest to fix.Maybe he needs a really good coach to turn the corner,IDK. TBerd HAS to become more clutch if he's gonna take out the big boys(at the moment he can do it against Fed, coz well Fed isn't Fed anymore).

    P.S- Did Ralph actually demand the net to be raised?(Do you have a source?) LMAO! VERY BAD..VERY BAD. :lol:
     
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    Mike Shams is impossible to reason with. Ignore is the answer to the Mike Shams problem.
     
  42. monfed

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    Ignore when you can't hold an argument. Nice copout. :lol:
     
  43. Tennusdude

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    If Nadal loses in the first round, how shocked would you be?
     
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    Super shocked because imo he's going all the way.
     
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    Not shocked at all.
     
  46. Sabratha

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    Come on Clarky, he isn't losing before the quarters at least. Look at the top 100, and look at him and tell me they stand a chance against a healthy Nadal.
     
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    People said that about Wimby and he went out in the 2nd round. Nadal is not a lock to make it deep in tournaments anymore. He's a mental case and is too injury prone to be considered a favorite anywhere.
     
  48. Sabratha

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    Not even at RG? :S
     
  49. Semi-Pro

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    You and your constant blabbling on these boards is utterly annoying:lol:. Last I checked Nadal is the 4th best tennis player in the world. Yes, he hasn't played in months however even if he is playing half of what he is capable of is good enough to beat 99% of the tour. Nadal IS lock and favourite in many of the events he participates in.
     
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    And so is your b*tching about it. Don't like it don't read it.
     

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