Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by monfed, Nov 29, 2012.
Depends,but right now I am not getting my hopes up about any tournament he might play.
But have you ever wanted Nadal to win a tournament? You even wrote him off at Roland Garros this year :lol:
Too bad you made the poll anonymous. Anonymous polls are useless on this forum.
You're stupid. Tell me you'll bet your mother's life on Nadal if Nadal gets Hewitt or Nalbandian in the 1st round, or Baghdatis in the 2nd round, or Davydenko in the 3rd round, or Verdasco or Isner in the 4th round? All of these players are a difficult proposition for an off-form Nadal. Even an on-form Nadal could be in serious trouble! So why are you being so ignorant and naive?
Half of Nadal's best wouldn't net him a win against anybody in the top 30. Everybody in the top 30 knows how to play great tennis. Everybody in the top 30 has shown flashes of brilliance at one time or another and half the time most of us on here wonder why these talented players aren't acheiving so much more considering their talents.
Nadal is great but he's a fighter. If it comes to pure talent, many players can hang with him if they have the belief as the likes of Del Potro, Tsonga, Youzhny, Simon, Davydenko, Nalbandian, etc have shown before.
Yeah. It's just too bad he disappoints over and over again by going long stretches of time without winning even a 250 event.
Yeah, I guess winning slams for 8 straight years is disappointing, and 21 masters shields, oh so disappointing....
He still goes long stretches of time without winning anything. Why does a player ranked as high as he is go a year or more without a title?
Such an underachieving mug, you're right.
Glory-hunting much? He won 11 slams (and might win more), be happy with that, any normal person would be. True fans are always supportive, win or lose.
I think clarky just doesn't understand tennis. Djokovic/Federer/Murray are supposed to be suited to hardcourts more than than Nadal. So that doesn't leave many hardcourt events for Nadal to win. Plus Nadal has been known as a claycourt specialist. Plus their is the factor of his injuries occurring on hardcourts. All these factors suggest that clarky doesn't have a firm grasp on reality if he thinks Nadal should be winning hardcourt events each year.
I think I finally narrowed down Clarky's irrational postings:
George Lopez gives a perfect explanation of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN8Z6hKBXcw
Benita = Clarky
George = Nadal
Mal de ojo!
Hahaha, just watch that video, lol
Maybe Clarky looks like Benita too, besides the fact that she does not have any common sense :twisted:
Nadal won't forget how to play after six months and he won't be injured. He's gearing up now and getting match ready, so don't worry. He will be making at least the quarters.
Yeah I'm such a gloryhunter that I have stuck by Nadal for nearly 8 years,and many,many ups and downs in his career. I am far from a gloryhunter because I think Nadal should not be going a year+ in between tournament wins. Too bad you must not think much of his abilities if your expectations of him are so low that you think otherwise.
I understand plenty. I understand that people like you want to have it both ways. You don't want Nadal labeled as a dirtballer,but then are quick to use that as an excuse for why he goes very long stretches of time inbetween title wins. If Nadal wants to be known as an all court player he has got to win more on hardcourts because they're not going away.
I am not a "he". Get it right next time.
No he won't. Expecting him to get that far on a surface that doesn't suit him after 6 months off is just disregarding reality. Nadal makes the 3rd round tops.
I think Nadal has lied to us all and has been practicing the entire time to surprise everybody and take the title.
I think people are overrating Nadal a bit here. Practicing is great, but nothing makes up for match toughness. I think SF's would be a great run for Nadal in this tournament, and I think he has a fair chance to make it that far, but he's not a lock to make the QF's if he's off form which is a likely proposition now. He's been pushed to 5 sets by Isner at RG of all places, and even in his best year, coming off a dominating RG he was pushed by Haase and Petzscher at Wimbledon, lost to Rosol, and lost in the QF's at the AO in 2010 and 2011, although in 2011 he lost suspiciously badly to Ferrer. I am far from a Nadal apologist, but he wouldn't lose to Ferrer that badly if he was healthy. Everybody knows that.
And then, looking at the people that can legitimately beat him, I would say Federer is one of those guys. He definitely has better than zero chance to beat him, and I would rate his chances higher than Ferrer's honestly.
He wasn't practicing the entire time. And he is NOT winning the AO next year. No way in h*ll.
I actually believe Nadal will make a clean sweep until the quarters or the semifinals, simply because even when he's unwell, most of the field still can't touch him. I also believe Federer will win the AO next year.
What makes you think that? Fed hasn't been past the semis at the AO in nearly 3 years. He is not beating Cvac there.
Why not? He came close a few times against him this year.
I think Rafa will probably end with a QF exit
You're being ungrateful. He's won big tournaments every year, even though he's missed long stretches due to injury and most of the tour is on his worst surface.
You talk as if it's over disappointing or unpleasant to be a fan of his and I don't see the sense in that. I at least sure have had a good time.
When has he been so long without a title anyway?, he was in 2009 - 2010, which was due to injury and the whole stretch being on hard courts, and 2011 - 2012 when he lost all those finals to Novak.
Well, a reasonable post here
Well it kinda is disappointing and unpleasant to be a Nadal fan. He's constantly injured and can't string together 2 solid years. He's also a victim of himself far too often and loses matches he should never ever lose. He also relies too heavily on confidence which causes to him to play too defensively and lose matches he should never lose. Fed fans complaining about Fed makes me laugh considering I know what's it's like to be a Nadal fan for the past 8 years. Lol.
Serious question? He does this all the time. Every year he goes very long stretches of time without a title anywhere. How long have you been a fan?
That was actually an interesting read.
He wins matches he could have lost, all the time. Just look at his record versus other top players.
He is injured very often and nevertheless wins as much as he does. I don't see why you can't appreciate that and give him some credit for it.
I've been a fan since 2006. I guess I don't usually count how long it's been since the last tournament he's won. I don't think it's been that much anyway.
Not as often as he loses matches he shouldn't lose.
You don't have to count to know that he usually goes at least a year in between titles wins. He has done this for years. Have you forgotten his reaction after he won MC in 2010? He said himself he didn't know if he would ever win anything again since he had gone so long without a title.
It must've been sheer hell for you having to scrape by on a minimum of 1 slam and MS win every season since 2005.
Nadal's 2010 draw was very difficult. He had to play Kohlshreibber, Karlovic, Murray, Cilic and Federer to win the whole thing. He didn't make it past Murray in the quarters. Nadal was 3 years younger back then and had less wear and tear on his body. Just makes you wonder how much longer he can keep it up seeing as that the peak of his playing days are nearing the end much like the players before him at a similar age. He's not a young cat in this sport even though his playing style requires the speed and defenses of a young cat. Can't keep playing like that when you're getting up in age and trying to keep your body intact.
People have been saying this since 2005 and nothing's changed,quite literally.
And Mike Sams will be saying that on and on, until Rafa retires and even after that........:twisted:
Maybe you can give us the inside scoop on why Ralph doesn't have a permanent unrecoverable injury yet given his playing style,beasty? :-?
As far as inside scoop for Rafa is concerned, Clarky is the Master. She makes her own scoop too :neutral:
Numbers don't support your case.
I believe he's gone close to a year without titles twice, but you can correct me if I'm wrong.
I do think he might even have even close to retiring in 2010, given how things were going for him. He had pretty much limped out of four slams in a row. The treatment he got then might well have saved his career.
But it didn't because he is injured yet again with the same problem. I think he just takes pain killers and slaps a band-aid on them,but they never really heal. He also doesn't make smart scheduling decisions which doesn't exactly help him either.
You wish, don't you?.
Which is what they've said they didn't want to keep on doing so they took the long break.
They've also said it isn't the exact same injury than then, but in another place I believe.
Anyway, it saved his career then, and he's not retired yet.
You're looking at things with too much pessimism Clarky. I understand, because I don't like to build up too many expectations myself, but it's a little too much. For example, you tortured yourself all these months thinking Rafa had retired, when you didn't need to. You got nothing out of it.
Nadal is coming back yet again, and how we have to wait and see what he's got in store for us. He's pulled through once before after an injury layoff, and I think he can do it again.
Yes but if Nadal reaches SF he would have obviously played himself into some sort of decent form and should he face a 31 year old very favourable match-up there's no way he'd lose.
Oh I definitely do but should have added-presuming Nadal's healthy, rustiness from such a long layoff will not hinder Nadal to such a degree that he'll lose to Fed.
Now if his injury flares up (I don't know the details of his injury), like any other player in such circumstances he's vulnerable to anybody.
You're confusing having a chance to actually win a match with giving a tough match.
I didn't say Fed won't take a set, heck maybe even two, I don't expect him to lay down for Nadal.
However, if their last 2 slam encounters have showed us anything is that due to a combination of:
-Nadal being better at grinding down Fed better than anyone else from the baseline (which is a credit to Nadal, he can get it high up to Fed's BH from anywhere on the court)
-Nadal reads Fed's serve better than anyone on tour.
-Fed's age and mileage which obviously hurts him in long matches against even other opponents, not just Nadal.
Fed basically ran out of gas in the 4th set (which is obvious to anyone who has been watching Fed for a long time, his footwork goes and he starts going for too much way too early in a rally) which means he has to get the job done in straights or say win the first two then tank the 3d so he could give it his all in the 4th, chances of either happening in AO conditions are so miniscule it might as well be zero.
At this point in their career Fed's chances of beating Nadal in a slam rest on him having a great serving day and facing him in the conditions which allow him to use that to the fullest, say Wimbledon under the roof.
Any player can hang with anybody in the top 20.
However, when it comes to pure talent, only player more talented than Nadal in this era is Fed, Nadal is a great shotmaker (the best I've ever seen from a defensive position) with excellent feel for the ball.
I don't think nadal will participate in the 2013 AO. He is probably still hurt although he said he is training again (how hard?).
Well Zagor, I don't know how much he will have played into form if he reaches the semis (his feel for the ball, timing, confidence)... I also wonder about his fitness if the match would go to 4 or 5 sets.
I see your point, but I still think you exaggerating
******* will get pummeled by Del Potro I predict.
Well Zagor, to be honest Roger has good chances against Rafa in AO 2013. I remember prior to Wimbledon 2012 you said that Roger has absolutely no chance and we arguing about that..
The bolded part is just crap
Well, we'll agree to disagree .
Should be a fun tourney regardless, I always liked AO.
Yes in your opinion, should they both reach SF and are on the same side obviously we could even make a bet about it if you want, if you're so sure Fed has good (LOL!) chances against Rafa in 2013 AO.
I said I don't see him as a contender for the title which is different than saying he has absolutely no chance.
For example I don't see Delpo as a contender for USO next year but I wouldn't give him absolutely no chance of pulling off another 2009 USO.
However, yes I did find his Wimbledon win this year very surprising, of course he could have just as easily lost to Benneteau but to Fed's credit he managed to pull it off, one of his most impressive slam titles for me, no doubt about it.
I stand by what I said, Fed's chances of beating Nadal in a BO5 slam match at this point in both of their careers lay in facing Nadal under roof at Wimbledon and having a great serving day.
Ralph Regus? He is only ranked 777 in the world, so I would say no he won't win the A.O. 2013.
Why do some still insist on calling him Ralph?
I doubt it.
How long did it take him to find his form after 09? I doubt he's going to come back much faster than that...
I dont know how Nadal will do at the AO but I agree on one thing. If he reaches Federer he wins that encounter for sure.
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