Will "seniors" with 2HBHs quit tennis?

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  1. Phil

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    I repeated what you wrote, but...it's amazing that you've actually admitted that you "don't know the answer" to something...that's a first. Now, you've made the first step and it's just a matter of time for you to come clean and admit that you don't know the answer to much of ANYTHING.

    I'm not the one in it for the points...that's your goal...but anyway, listen to me...KARMA...you'll get yours. Maybe 20 years from now, some PUNK will call you a drooling old fool, or, even slap you...karma, baby. I'm not a practicing Buddhist, but this is one concept that I believe in.

    Nutcase...indeed.
     
  2. BreakPoint

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    Borg, Connors, and Evert kicked off the 2HBH craze in the mid-70's, then it waned a little bit in the McEnroe, Lendl, Edberg, Becker era, then it took off again in the Agassi, Courier, Chang era and continued through to the Moya, Kafelnikov, Ferrero, Safin era to the Roddick, Hewitt, Nadal era but now things are slowly changing due to the likes of Federer, Blake, Ljubicic, Robredo, Haas, Gaudio, Gasquet, Henin, Mauresmo, etc.
     
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  3. Phil

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    BP, my observations on today's younger players are different...maybe it has something to do with where we live? Anyway, I see almost NO ONE at that age (say, from age 9 to 20) using a 1/H B/H. Okay, I can think of two who play at the courts I frequent, but the rest-90% or more, are using the two-hander. Regardless of the success of Federer, I don't think his game translates well to the juniors...it's just too difficult, while playing from the baseline using a two hander (and semi- or western-grip forehand) is the easiest style to learn.
     
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    You're one to talk about karma, you sleazy hypocrite. You go around trolling on these boards and starting fights with all sorts of people and harassing young girls and otherwise being a pest, and yet have the nerve to criticize me? Virginia seems plenty capable of defending herself and doesn't need you patronizing her just so you can try and engage me and try and make trouble and otherwise bring your bad energy into this thread and try and make things personal, as you always do.

    And if you want to criticize me, at least criticize me for the things I actually say, or for views I actually hold, instead of purposely distorting my views. For instance, you knew you were lying -- not "repeating what you wrote" -- when you said I'd changed my views on cortisone and head-heavy rackets, and you know full well I never claimed to know all the answers about TE -- hell, half the debate with Virginia centers around my belief that NOBODY knows all the answers when it comes to TE.

    If you want to be a troll and start trouble, can't you at least be an honorable troll?
     
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    So you're saying that, save for a brief period in the mid-80's, the 2 hbh has been used by at least 50% of all guys up until the Federer era?

    Anyone else agree or disagree with this?
     
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    Not ALL guys of all ages. I've always been referring to kids trying to emulate the pros during the time period when they are still developing their strokes. So, yes, I'd say at least 50% of kids 10 to 18 since the mid-70's have used 2HBH's. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but always at least 50%.
     
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    The "bad energy" came when you started bullying a new poster who, while I believe can stick up for herself quite well, was, as a new poster, a bit surprised to meet up, all of the sudden with this complete asswipe...over what is normally a fairly innocuous subject.

    "Harassing young girls"...that's a laugh...aren't you the "white knight" that came to said-"young girl's" defense and are now flirting with her online...she's young enough to be your daughter and needs the attention, and you're just playing around with her...that's actually vile and disgusting...but in keeping with a d-bag.

    And hitting old people and now insulting them...well, deeds are said to speak louder than words and your deeds paint you as human excrement.

    No lies from me...you said what you said. You made such a fuss about cortisone, even while being slapped silly by 99% of the posters in that thread who said it was useless...par for the course in any thread you enter...and now, a HUMBLED heyjerkoff is here to say he doesn't "have all the answers". Well, we knew THAT! Re. head heavy sticks; I said head light was the way to go and you INSISTED that this was not necessarily so-that no one can PROVE it-you insisted on this not because you believe it, but because you felt a need to contradict me...because you had nothing else "on me" at the time. You were "losing" points badly. You said that I should consult what NoBadMojo wrote on this in other threads-that head heaviness or weight in general is not a deciding factor in TE. This is basically what you wrote...it is no lie. Go post the link to that thread if you want to prove me a liar, but you won't 'cause I'm not.

    BTW, how much did you have to beg, borrow and pay TW to get your original name back? I can just imagine the pathetic e-mails you wrote them, 'cause you were getting grief over having to change your user name every other week. Just a small, but telling glimpse into your sick world.
     
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    Yes, that's me. I defend young women who get stalked and harrassed by creepy older guys like you.

    I think what Virginia might find more surprising is that in the midst of a spirited but non-personal exchange with me about TE, some weird third poster -- you -- jumps in and starts in with some personal agenda that drags up about six different old fights having nothing to do with the matter at hand, throws around petty insults, and turns the thread into a flame fest having more to do with your insecurities than anything remotely of interest or concern to her.

    Your referrence to "hitting old people", for those who don't know, refers to my story about an incident in a movie theater some 15 years ago that I mentioned in aother thread. A 60 year old man sitting behind me in a movie theater repeatedly ignored me, the manager, and several other patrons' requests to stop his obnoxious yakking through a movie. Then he told the woman I was to shut up and called her the "c" word. I then smacked him with a TE-inducing one handed backhand.

    Anyone has a problem with my actions can call 1-800-who-cares.

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    Yes, this is pretty much what I said more or less, and what I continue to believe now, about both head-light rackets -- no one knows for sure -- and cortisone shots -- that they can sometimes be a Godsend. So what is your point? Why would you suddenly assert a few posts earlier that I had changed my positions on any of this? I haven't.

    They charged me the same amount they charged you to get your own ban lifted.
     
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    I have to disagree. My memories, and it appears those of many others here, remember the 1 hbh being the the stroke of choice in past decades, including the 70's, with the 2 hbh only becoming widespread in more recent times.
     
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    Well, only Virginia can answer that, but I would guess that being referred to as a slobbering, drooling, decrepit grandma moses type is not the kind of welcome she would expect. But at least you got a laugh out of it, eh? And that's what you call "non-personal"...hmmm...

    You did change your position...you listed, in your pedestrian list to combat TE, using a head light racquet, that is, after asserting so vigorously previously that this may not be the case. It's no big deal to chang one's position on something...so why do you feel you have to lie about doing that...as you're doing.

    You obviously have an intense dislike of older people...I only mentioned that movie incident because it has a parallel with your behavior in this thread and it says boatloads about your resentment of older people. Yeah, "1-800-who cares" is really clever...you should care.

    As for stalking, well, I've never threatened and blackmailed posters...both on and off this site...ME? Say what you want, but in addition to the stalking, I never used a dead family member to try to win a slam dunk point...never was so obsessed over my posts being zapped that I went after the mods, tooth and nail, never bullied a 19-year old kid and to make a point made up education and "professional" credentials, etc. (because the kid was laying you out, otherwise), etc. Never had to, never will...I almost forgot...in your "tearful", pathetic and incredibly lame "goodbye", you tried to go the economic blackmail approach, threatening to hurt TW's business by telling your friends and acquaintances...all two of of them, I'd guess-to not buy from TW. How'd that work out, big guy? TW's bottom line changed since you've come and gone? Dude, if you really want to go toe to toe on "who's the biggest a-hole here" or whatever it is we're doing, you're gonna lose every time...'cause the record is clear.

    As for your user name, I don't care about it, but I'm sure you had to do some begging there...that name was DELETED from the user list for a couple months or so, so only you and TW will ever know...and neither is tellin'...
     
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    I'll skip the obsessive personal nature of your sick pack of lies and paranoid fantasies here -- again -- and try and ignore all that boiling rage that no doubt stems from your wife leaving you, and just concentrate on the tennis part:

    I never changed my position on head-light rackets. Ever. I listed 14 things I tried or changed in my battle with TE, and using a heavy, headlight racket was just one of the things on that list. Did it help? I have no idea. No idea if the magic kinetic beads in my special TE racket helped either, or using natural gut.

    Do you remember what I said I DID help the most out of all those 14 factors?

    Switching to a 2 hbh.
     
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    Speaking of which, the user name "heycal's sister" was just deleted from the user list -- a user who mysteriously and coincidentally registered almost immediately after you made a post referencing my sister back in February.

    I wonder who could have registered that name, Phil. I guess only you and TW will ever know...
     
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    Ah, but there are no lies in my post...none. In the age of Carl Rove, you can call something a lie, but that doesn't make it so if it's true. Call me on my "lies"...tell me where I'm lying. Did you not stalk a board member? Did you not threaten TW with some sort of self-imposed economic boycott? Did you not try to bully a 19-year old kid? Who is the liar here?

    How could you not have any idea if you've been using this stuff. Are you that much of a moron? Of course you changed your position...

    Ummm...good for you.

    Is this a problem for you? A de-activated screen name that was never used for a single post? There are a lot of those on the user's list.
     
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    Always smile when you enter a room, dear. It relaxes others. AND, it lifts the features of the face...
     
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    Just the lies in this post? OK, I will:

    No, not at all. A complete falsehood. I could show you emails and phone records from users who have stalked ME though...

    You, on the other hand, have a known history of stalking -- just ask Meg.

    You may be a liar and a jerk, but I do expect a certain level of basic intelligence from you... Where are you possibly getting the idea that I had changed my position on head light rackets? I never HAD a postion to change, doofus, other than recognizing that are conflicting opinions on this matter.

    You have already tried and failed to show a discrepancy on this issue. Give it up.

    How would you know this user had never posted if you weren't the one who registered the name?... Yeah, I do have a problem with you registering the name "heycal's sister" with the obvious intent to post something under that name at some point. Apparently TW does too, since they deleted your phony account.


    Are you referring to the time that arrogant college kid who boasted about his SAT scores criticized another's poster's grammar -- wrongly -- and I called him on it?

    You, on the other hand, routinely bully those unable or unwilling to defend themselves, often teenagers, I've noticed. It's kind of creepy.

    And now I've had it with this thread and am signing off. You get the last word, so feel free to libel me all you want and spread some more ugliness and lies while I'm gone...
     
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    What are you, Richard Nixon? whatever you say.

    Calling someone a brat is not "stalking"...if I'm a stalker, then so are about two dozen other board members who have done the same. That's laguhable and certainly not anything like what you're doing lately-which is vile.

    Not a lie to be found. Abd Jerk? Well, that's a value judgement and, I believe, a poor one on your part. You included on that list to prevent TE "head light racquets"...did you not? And prior to that, you ARGUED vehemently that there is no "proof" that HL racquets prevent TE. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

    Didn't TW delete your account or multiple accounts too? Accounts that you actually used? As soon as that name was registered, I decided it was a dumb idea, and I shelved it. If I had intended to post under it, I would have, believe me. But I didn't.

    Yeah, I'm referring to that...it's obvious that he's a college kid and any sane adult could have handled his comments without much trouble, but you aren't any sane adult, now are you? Trotting out phony or exaggerated credentials to beat down some kid, and he STILL hung in there. I don't know of any "teenagers" whom I "bully" or anyone on this board...most people seem capable of giving it out as well as taking it, except for you.
     
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    Again, I'll try and avoid engaging in your personal psycho drama and just comment on your lies related to tennis, since a poster in another thread today has already correctly identified you as an "argumentative grumpy clown who gets bored and needs to start useless fights in order to have contact with other human beings".

    Here is what I've always said and always believed: Many people claim head-light rackets are helpful for TE, while some others dispute that -- apparently including the research team at Head, who spent a lot of money developing a racket that reportedly does a good job helping with TE that's also head-heavy (Pro Kennex has some HH ones too.) I personally don't know what the truth is on this particular issue, if there even is one truth.

    Now stop distorting and lying about my views on this.
     
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    Whatever you say spanky, even if it's complete b.s. Who's the "liar" here...?? Your recommendation to use a headlight, heavy racquet shows up at #2 on your little "manifesto":

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=133304

    A list that is entitled "How to Alleviate TE in 14 Easy Steps"; you seem VERY sure about that in that thread, sure to the point of offering this as concrete advice-without qualification or Head's research or whatever b.s. you're now claiming. Now you're changing your tune ...and being mealy mouthed.

    In that thread, you "offer" your "expert" advice on preventing TE and put, near TOP OF THE LIST use of a headlight stick. While HERE, you're saying...uhh...ummm...Head did research...uhmmm...no one is sure....a...uhmmm...I stand by my comments as the TRUTH. Try not to call someone a "liar" when there's written documentation indicting YOU as the liar. That should be rule #2 on your sleaze manifesto.

    Hey, that's funny...guess who used the "grumpy clown" quote? Why, your "friend" alwaysathenet, who thinks you're just as big a psycho as I do...but I guess you'll grasp at any straw to get a dig in...even if it's from someone who also sees you as the d-bag you are...which is about the ONLY thing he's gotten right lately. I'm LMAO...lots of credibility there...
     
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    hey heycal, I think you need to get out more - perhaps play some tennis?

    Phil, love your sig! Why did serve 'em hard get banned anyway?
     
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    Thanks, Virginia-I couldn't let that Henman quote go unused! I don't know the specific reason for his banning-maybe general behavior/attitude problems, baiting the mods...stuff like that that gets people banned...
     
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    Thanks for providing the link so those interested can see that you are obviously and purposing distorting my views on this issue. What they will see is a list of several things I tried in an effort to combat TE -- one of which of was using a racket with an excellent reputation for arm safety (the Pk 5g) that happened to be headlight.

    They will also clearly see comments like "I'm still not sure what was helpful for my TE and what wasn't and "here are some of the many steps I took, whether they worked or not"... and "I'm also positive some of the stuff I've done or am doing had or has no role in helping my condition, but it's so hard to know anything for sure or separate out the different components."

    I'd say nice try, but it really wasn't. It was purposeful and sleazy attempt to convince people you were "right" in some way about this and gambling they wouldn't bother visiting to link to see that you are actually completely lying about what I said.
     
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    Going off at a (slight) tangent and not for a moment denigrating the great players past and present who use the 2HBH, I have to say that it's a really UGLY looking stroke, compared with the fluidity of the one hander. Reminds me of a farmer smacking a recalcitrant bull!
     
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    No question a 2 hbh is not as pretty as a one hander. But it's a lot more macho looking.
     
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    oh Lord, you sure DO have a problem, dude!
     
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    I think someone should check "Virginia"'s IP address... Yesterday she was a seemingly refined older woman who argued for her mistaken notions about TE in a civil and non-personal manner. Today she's wallowing in the gutter, trolling, tossing immature insults, and complimenting that "dude" Phil on his "sig".

    Hmm....
     
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    Sounds like you're just (continuing) to be mealy-mouthed. You made a list, entitled "!4 Ways to Alleviate tennis elbow"...there were not "qualifications" on that list. Headlight racquets were on it. End of story.

    I haven't "distorted" anything. But I have pointed out where your views are inconsistant, from one post to the next...what's the big deal. If you did change your mind, just say so. Otherwise, you're sounding like a fool. I don't have to convince people about ANYTHING. They KNOW you're a fool. I've just, well, confirmed it. Calm down and take your meds, Richard Nixon.
     
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    Fortunately, the thread in question speaks for itself, and anyone can see what it says -- and doesn't say. You can PRETEND it says something different, but anyone can see you are lying.

    I'm sorry you're wife left you, Phil, but you really need to get control of your anger issues and stop trolling for attention.
     
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    I'd say you're the one with the anger issues...the post above is evidence enough. What a b.s.'er, and a liar, of course. "Anyone" can see you're a complete fool...going off the deep end because of headlight racquets...What a sick puppy. Really...take those meds...settle down...take a breath, before you hurt yourself again.
     
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    Nice try, troll boy.
     
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    Just what I thought. Game, set and match...Mr. Philip. Back under your hole, you who have deserted all your principles of headlight vs. headheavy. And take Kissinger with you, ya paranoid little freak.
     
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    Nice try, troll boy.
     
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    The Op is the real troll. :) You dont hear two handed players crying that they are better. I even think some that have a one hander, deep down truely know two is better.
     
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    Uh, sorry, but no. Just ask the top 3 players of all time - Laver, Sampras, and Federer. Or even the woman that has been dominating the WTA tour the past few years - Justine Henin. Oh, and I should add the top two female players of all time - Martina Navratilova and Steffi Graf.
     
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    Sampras or fed never won the french either. How can you be all time without a french?
     
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    Great points......................Breakpoint. There are pros and cons for the 1HBH and 2HBH. I like the flexibility and free feeling of the 1HBH and I like the power and stability of the 2HBH. My elbow is getting a little sore (as well as me knees) I may switch to a 2HBH.........big deal. All this macho vs non macho talk about a 1HBH vs a 2HBH is just plain crap. Do these people actually have any sort of game?
    I was thinking that maybe Heycal and Phil should meet each other and have a brawl (best of 5 sets) and show it on a streaming video for us all to see. Now that would be entertainment.
     
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    There is another side of the coin here. Execution of a good 1HBH requires really early preparation with the full take-back and so on. That means that one has to get his *** really on time to the right spot to hit the good shot. This is difficult for aging players. The result is often getting late then hitting on the stretch or chopping/slicing it back - lost point and elbow stress. I have been playing with good 1HBH for all my life and now I'm in my 40 and I know what I'm talking about.
    On the other hand, being a bit late with 2HBH is not a big problem. The swing with 2HBH can be more compact, moreover, the ball can be successfully pushed back almost without swing with no stress on the elbow. I am in a process of switching from 1HBH to 2HBH and it is quite successful and I like it. The only problem is the beauty of the shot: it is definitely gone
     
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    Well, as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for Phil and Cal geting settling this on the court - Indian Wells March 2008 (The first in a series of posts by me encouraging a TW mini tournament in IW)....
     
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    i was just watching the wimby final between borg and nastase - what a beautiful twohander.:D
    so, there seem to be some other seniors (+35) around that still sport a twohander and have obviously not quit tennis. good to know, i was feeling quite lonesome lately.
    for those that have played 2handed also in the junior days - do you play now more frequently a onehanded bh slice than in your "prime"?
     
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    FWIW, my orthopedist who works for pro teams in ATL said that all the anti-cortisone talk on the internet was "voodoo". Not that he'd inject you every month...

    Also, I'm not saying the OHBH is better, it just seems like I see more OHBHs among 40+ players. I'm just guestimating that these people probably grew up around the time it was 50-50.

    Maybe I'm wrong and the 2HBH "generation" is not yet in their 40s. I'm 37 and I was the only person on my HS team with a OHBH. At the regional and state tournaments, it was probably 75% 2HBH among the boys.

    NEVER remember seeing a girl in HS play a OHBH.
     
  40. MegacedU

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    Ooh! Ooh! Pick me pick me!! Well Phil, it's obvious that I'm just a college kid and any sane adult could have handled my comments without much trouble, but you aren't any sane adult, are you? What about your phony and exaggerated "I'm-better-at-life-than-you-you-little-brat" credentials you come out swinging with? Not that I'm sensitive enough to be bothered by some bitter man on an internet chat board, but don't walk around saying how you've ever bullied anyone on these boards, just pull up any one of my threads.
     
  41. Andres

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    Let's put it this way:

    The two biggest MACHOS in the ATP, one hit with a two hander, and one with a one hander

    Safin for the 2HBH and Phillippoussis for the 1HBH.

    Since nothing will settle this, other than a fist fight, I'll give the edge to Phillippoussis and his superior frame and strenght. He'll crush Safin.

    Ergo, 1HBH is Top Sh%t!!
     
  42. BreakPoint

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    Because no one else has won 14 Grand Slams nor 10 of the last 15 Grand Slams either.

    And how about Steffi Graf's 22 Grand Slams singles titles?

    Or Martina Navratilova's 59 Grand Slam titles (singles and doubles) and her 167 singles and 177 doubles titles overall? Can you think of anyone with a 2HBH that has come even remotely close to that?
     
  43. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    I agree with fed and sampras being considered goats. For sure. But your argument is because they had a one handed backhand, or it's better than two.. Which is not true at all. Zero french opens between federer,sampras,mcenroe, should prove this. One or two hander is considered a groundstroke and we know the french is the ultimate proving grounds for baseliners, and near impossible for players like fed-sampras...

    Look at the stats..


    Borg 11 gs titles 6french
    connors 12 gs titles--4french
    mcenroe-sampras-federer- zero french.

    Womens
    steffi 22gs - 6 french
    billie jean 12gs --1 french
    evert 18gs -- 7french
    martina18gs --2french

    Steffis backhand also was not a weapon, i remember she sliced it most of the time. Dominant serve and forehand won her all those.
     
  44. BreakPoint

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    Huh? Connors NEVER won the French!

    How many 2-handers have beaten Federer at the French in recent years? One - Nadal. And the last time Federer lost to someone not named Nadal at the French was to another 1-hander - Kuerten!

    Speaking of Kuerten, how many times has he won the French with his 1HBH? Oh, how about 3 times! And how about all the other one-handers - Lendl, Muster, Gomez, Nastase, Gaudio, Costa, Vilas, Noah, Panatta, Kodes, Laver, Rosewall, etc. In fact, in the last 39 years of the open era at the French Open, in half of those years, it was won by a 1HBH player.

    And how about the endless list of 1HBH and serve and volley players that somehow made it to the semis or the final beating many 2HBH players along the way? Like McEnroe, Sampras, Rafter, Henman, Federer, Puerta, Corretja, Stich, Korda, Berasategui, Edberg, Leconte, Gerulaitis, Pecci, Gottfried, Orantes, etc., etc.
     
  45. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Typo on connors, he should have won the french :)... Yes there list of 'serve and volleyers' to do well there, but very few win. On the flip side MANY baseliners win wimbledon etc...

    GuGA-lendl- were pure baseliners. So yes it can be done, i do believe a two hander has much better odds though. Takes a pretty extraordinary backhand like guga wouldnt you say?
     
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    And Borg had a one handed backhand, not two. At the contact point, he had already released the other hand a split second before. I'm not sure if we can consider Borg a two hander, actually :p
     
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    borg definitely had a two hander:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzbXvh64sY

    He actually released well after contact
     
  48. BreakPoint

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    Sorry, but I don't see how listing Connors as having won "4 French Opens", right next to Borg's 6 French Opens could possibly be a typo. Just admit that you know not of what you speak.

    "MANY" baseliners win Wimbledon? :confused: Name some. I can only think of two in the open era - Hewitt and Agassi.

    McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, Sampras, Krajicek, Cash, Ivanisevic, Ashe, Stich, Newcombe, Smith, etc. were ALL serve and volleyers. I would classify Federer and Connors as all-court players, not baseliners, because they come into the net at every opportunity. And Connors managed to win Wimbledon in 1982 by almost serving and volleying exclusively.

    BTW, Borg won his 5 Wimbledons by serving and volleying. Just watch his old matches.
     
  49. BreakPoint

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    Andres is correct. Even I tried to copy Borg's backhand when I was a kid. A lot of his power comes from the snapping of his right wrist (he's righty).
     
  50. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Hewitt,agassi,borg,connors. Neither of these players are considered "serve and volleyers", even if they used that tactic.. Even federer does not serve and volley anymore to win his wimbledons.

    Yes they were, and none of them won a french..


    He must be the goat then :) Dominant at wimbledon AND the french..
     

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