Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by kragster, Apr 14, 2012.
It just goes to show how powerful and effectitve corporate marketing is with youth.
I can definitely see where you're coming from there.
No, only 1 gets a lot of hostility and that's because that 1 person is a troll who provokes on purpose.
There are also a number of Rafa haters who hang around the Rafa thread for the sake of messing up with it. It is normal for fans to defend their favorite player when he's attacked. However, that has nothing to do with the point at stake which was: Nadal fans are not tennis fans and will stop watching tennis as soon as Rafa is done (your claim). Which is not true + Nadal fans are all women. Not true either, afaik michaelnadal, namelessone, mustard, bud, tennisandmusic, nadal slam king, etc are male.
Nadal's persona and clothing line was created by Nike specifically to attract young players, you think these are Nadal's choices? He wears what they pay him to wear. Federer's line isn't intended for kids it has always been for the refined older player.
Kids wear what is marketed for them.
I don't think giving my opinion is bullying you, are you used to everyone agreeing with you? You must be a good looking female or something?
I see, so anything or anyone that doesn't support your somewhat biased view is either a troll or off topic to the conversation.
You are exaggerating my assertions, to try to prove them false. I didn't state all Nadal fans are female. I stated Nadal has a lot of female fans that were never tennis fans to start with and only follow Nadal. Do you think this is a fair comment? I do realize Nadal has some female fans that are also fans of the sport, but they are vastly outnumbered by fangirls with a crush.
I absolutely agree with you on that.
Lsmkenpo;6465592]I see, so anything or anyone that doesn't support your somewhat biased view is either a troll or off topic to the conversation.
Anyone who predicts that a player will lose systematically before every match and deliberately provokes, pokes fun of or attacks people who dare supporting that player, yes, imo is trolling. If trolling has another definition, I don't know what it is.
You are exaggerating my assertions, to try to prove them false. I didn't state all Nadal fans are female. I stated Nadal has a lot of female fans that were never tennis fans to start with and only follow Nadal. Do you think this is a fair comment?
No I don't. How can I since I've been a tennis fan since long before Nadal and I certainly don't follow just him. It is clear from their posts that plenty of other Nadal fans like mustard for instance have an extensive knowledge of tennis. Now charisma can also bring a lot of newcomers to the game and that's actually a good thing. Tennis remaining a popular sport depends on the stars' ability to do just that. Are you claiming Fed doesn't have that ability? Well, that would be a shame and it's bad for the future of the sport.
This is off topic to the conversation
You quoted me and conveniently omitted the last sentence of my post.
"I do realize Nadal has some female fans that are also fans of the sport, but they are vastly outnumbered by fangirls with a crush."
Agree or disagree with my statement?
Nadal's persona was created by Nike to attract a certain demographic, the same with Federer's. You do understand professional tennis is a business first and a sport second, right?
Disagree and I don't know why you keep asking. It's not like I'm gonna change my mind lol. I'm sure Rafa has no problem getting female attention, I'm sure that would be true of numerous other male athletes. It doesn't mean he gets no credit/admiration for his tennis. I believe he does. I also believe he is one of the greatest players of open era and whoever can't see- acknowledge- that is either blind or dumb.
Your stupidity is so illuminating that it makes you look more stupid. Keep it up !!!
Polarization is the nature of man, the competing tendencies of his social cooperative instinct and his aggressive selfish instinct. These tendencies explain, for example, our two competing political parties.
Tennis fans have tended to polarize for decades along similar lines, be it with the aggressive boistrous McEnroe (or Connors) versus the reserved quiet Borg, or the taciturn Sampras versus the gregarious amiable Agassi. Several years ago fans polarized towards either the dapper amiable Federer or the hulkish bull-in-a-china-shop Nadal. I think things are actually less polarized now than they've been in prior decades now that people have discovered that Nadal (and Djokovic, and Murray) are all pleasant fellows who seem to all get along reasonably well.
I see a lot of Dimitrov v. Albert Ramos smack coming...
Yes...it will lose a lot of buzz then.
Not that it matters one iota in the general scheme of things, but you do not remember correctly. I wrote that I get . . . sad. In the title, I wrote "depressed," but I acknowledge that that is far too strong of a word. I also wrote, "Is there something wrong with me?" Out on planet literal, you might not have recognized that as tongue in cheek. Of course there's nothing wrong with me and the post was followed by a hundred some-odd people writing that they get "sad," "bummed," "gutted," too after their favorite player loses (the vast majority of which where Fed fans, and the two biggest culprits were AO '09 and Wimby '08). I was simply looking for a little tennis-fan commiseration.
Which brings to your annoying and bizarre use of the word "fanboyism." What the hell do you mean by that? You and a couple of the other serial Nadal haters keep using that term pejoratively. Are you referring to someone who has a favorite player? Who roots harder for one player over the other to win a given match? Jesus. Everybody has a player or players that he or she gravitates to and likes a little more or a lot more than the others for a variety of reasons (your own avatar is slightly glistening in sweat, ****-erotically posed Soderling--I assume you rooted for him, perhaps quite passionately in his two French Open final flameouts.) You seem to be implying that the correct way to appreciate tennis is with a sterile, joyless mindset and a completely unbiased/uninterested eye towards the outcome, merely passing the time analyzing the technical aspects of the match. Sounds like great fun!
You are downplaying it, you wouldn't have started a thread if you didn't suspect perhaps something was wrong. No? All the people that told you it is normal to be depressed for days and cry over a tennis player's loss, lied to you and themselves. That isn't normal, or healthy. I told you that in the thread, not to be a wise guy but to hopefully open your eyes to step back, look at the big picture and realize that is not rational behavior. Of course you will feel emotion during the match, but to be sad because some millionaire tennis player lost a match for days and let it effect your interaction with your family is just plain stupid. Plan something fun right after the match win or lose with your kids, and the somewhat irrational emotion of the match will be replaced with real personal emotions with the people that really matter in your life. Train yourself to let it go. You watch tennis for enjoyment right, not to be depressed. It doesn't make you any less of a fan if you don't weep when your favorites lose.
Fanboyism is akin to the same irrational emotion I just referred to in the paragraph above. The serial hatred you assume I feel emotionally about Nadal is a somewhat satirical take on the fanboyism to the other extreme.
If you read some of my posts you will see I have civilized debates with the rational fans and extreme over the top arguments with the irrational ones. You have to adjust your mindset to match the poster, otherwise the point won't get through correctly. The problem comes when other posters read things not addressed specifically to them and place themselves in the debate as if it were personal and serious. It is also a little hard when you are dealing with male/female anonymity, males are usually used to a little ribbing but females can really take things to heart.
I could have a civilized discussion with you about a player like young Ryan Harrison because I don't think there is an irrational attachment there yet, right? but Raffer ******* its going to get crazy fast.
Concerning watching tennis, I do watch a lot of tennis matches between players with no bias towards one side or the other and enjoy the match, I also go to a lot of tournaments and watch hundreds of practice sessions and enjoy watching practice just as much and sometimes more than match play.
Random ******* : My player is better than yours
Random ******* : No... Mine is
Random ******* : But yours Stink
Random ******* : Yours stink more
Random ******* : You stink..
Random ******* : your stink more...
After Fedal are gone? Former Pro Player Section. Watch it.
Have not read the whole thread. But I guess that the Federer-Nadal rivalry is the first to really blossom after internetforums like this came into their own. So I guess there wil be other "disputes". Always some j.... who need the attention.
Nameless, I approve of your avatar
When they are gone the men's game will turn into WTA and no one will care.
Gloat of "what's wrong with him" threads will ensue.
No because there will always be ****s. I thought you'd already be familiar with the Samprastards by now.
I don't get what the feud is all about.
I like both Federer and Nadal for different reasons.
Federer's game is just the most wonderful thing of beauty and class.
Nadal's physical presence and the wondrous violence of his forehand is something to behold.
I prefer Fed's game by a large margin.
But I like them both, and as sportsmen and people as well.
They're good for the game.
Well said Paul.
Thanks, appreciate that.
And one other thing ... we'll miss them enormously when they're gone for both the quality of their games and their rivalry.
I agree with you guys. I also like Nadal as well as Federer, but for completely different reasons. With Federer I am all about the strokes and the elegance, it's inspiring the way he makes everything look so easy, something to aspire to. It makes me excited about playing tennis. With Nadal it's the fighting spirit and intensity. Something sorely lacking in a sport where choke artists run rampant; Nadal never goes away, and never gives his opponents break. It's just as inspiring as Federer to me. Although I will always prefer Federer's highlight reel, I take more lessons from Nadal where it comes to attitude.
best CRPG ever. On par with great rock albums and cinema in my opinion. Why can't tennis games aspire to this excellence?
IMO the game's an absolute masterpiece.
Very well put. I agree with you completely.
Nadal's physical intensity is as good as I've ever seen in any sport.
still counting.... (your failure...)
true, when talking about nadal, it's hard to get away from the word intense. I think, however, his physical intensity comes from his mental intensity, his never back down approach. The Bull metaphor is a bit tired, I always thought he charged around more like a stallion anyway, not so much a bull, but the bull metaphor does kind of nail the heels dug in, horns lowerd, hold your ground psychology he has, which he totally physicalizes in his posture and the way he moves around the court. It's so dominant and willfull. I'm jealous.
I call it the primitive, vestigial, genetic, survival instinct for tribalism. It explains a lot more than competing political parties and is a human trait that is regularly exploited by poltical demagogues and capitalist propagandists. It explains perhaps a majority of human behavior, including, but not limited to, racism, nationalism, regionalism, religious sectarianism, fraternalism, sports fanaticism, school loyalty, and innumerable other ways that humans contrive to manufacture the opportunity to express tribal loyalty.
No problem. They will be correctly assessed with the benefit of historical perspective and hindsight, and then awarded their true and proper historical value, somewhere below and beneath "The Rocket."
Having had the privilege of seeing Michael Jordan and Walter Payton play live, the only tennis player I've seen live whose intensity matches theirs was Rod Laver. I've also seen Nadal live. He is not at that level.
He's on a higher level. We know that already
Fedal by the way is gone ....it's now djokal.
Maybe one Fedal could be replaced by Britman vs the Djoker but Britman needs to step up big time
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