Will Tiger Woods still tie or break Nicklaus's record

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Will Tiger ever tie or break Jack's record

  1. yes he will still do it

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  2. he will end up with 18 exactly, tied

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  3. no he will never reach 18 majors to even tie

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  1. NadalAgassi

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    Simple question. Do you think Tiger will still end up tieing or breaking Jack's majors record of 18. He is at 14 now, so needing 4 more to tie and 5 to break. I am going to have to say a definite no at this point. He seems to be past his prime physically with increasing knee problems, and mentally he doesnt seem the same anymore either. If he doesnt win a major this year (seems pretty obvious now) he would need to average 1 major per year for the next 4 years just to reach 18 before he starts playing in his 40s. In his prime from 1997-2009 he was averaging 1.08 majors a year, so how would he do nearly that seeing how he is now. And as we are seeing he isnt exactly aging well so what are his chances to win majors in his 40s, other than maybe one fluke miracle sort perhaps.

    So I dont think he will even tie the record, let alone break. Which is a shame since there has been so much time, over a decade, of focus of all golf on him doing this. And it is a shame to see it sort of go to waste after so much interest invested in it. Not to mention a shame for him after he invested so much in doing it.
     
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  2. Viking_Golfer

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    Sorry to say so - but NO!

    He will maybe win one or two majors more before he quits, but not 4 or 5 :(

    I'm a HUGE Tiger fan and I hope I'm wrong !!!!!
     
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    The best thing for Tiger right now is to take the rest of the year off. Get 100% physically and come back next year stronger.

    He hasnt been 100% and its has been affecting his practice.

    I still think he is too good to not do it. He seems to want to be out there. You figure he has a chance every year at Augusta. Say he plays 10years figure he at least wins 2. He only needs two more.

    I think he does it.
     
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  4. r2473

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    Jack won his last major at age 46.

    Tiger turns 36 in December.

    He "only" needs 5 more.

    Presently, there isn't any other "superstar" in golf that you "expect" to win. He "nearly" won The Masters this year not playing anywhere near his best golf.

    If injury doesn't stop him, he'll break Jack's record.
     
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  5. Fearsome Forehand

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    If not for his knee problems, which are serious, I would have voted yes, as is I voted no.

    He needs to go back to whoring around. Cutting loose all his hos has completely ruined his golf game. :)
     
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    well... hope so and think so; maybe cause I watch golf cause of TW, and began playing also cause of him. I read an interesting article on golf digest which pretty much summarizes how Tiger is a better overall golfer than at his "prime", meaning, he is in contention more often than he was back when he dominated the majors for a couple of years. Just take a look at it, even when he's been out and comes back for a major (i.e., Masters 2010) hes not that far, in fact fighting for it. The article affirms he is now better at being in contention playing not great cause he has more shots. TW himself said that back then, he was on a "hot streak" where he went for it almost all the time, that he's learned with time to be able to contend when he's not "hot", and that is what made Nicklaus great, consistency not streaks.....

    Great champions are always in contention, even if sometimes it seems they dont win often (take a look at some guy called Roger Federer)
     
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  7. Polaris

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    It seems to be a question of "When?", rather than "If?".
     
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  8. LuckyR

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    But will he ever play his best golf again? An open question.
     
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    I don't think so. I mean he has a lot of time so it could still happen, but there are other guys that are gonna be competing for a while now. Young guys like Rory.
     
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    Tiger is finished, but it's not his knee, ankle, or whatever that's the problem. It's his mind. In it he's no longer "The Man" who gets to travel around and bang anyone he wants. That's shattered his confidence and his game has suffered as a result. The "injuries" are crap. This isn't tennis we're talking about--it's golf. Even if you can barely walk, you can still play.
     
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    I still think Tiger has a few more titles left in him if he stays healthy and out of trouble.
     
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  12. NadalAgassi

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    His 2nd last major was at 40. He won only that one after 40 (6 years later). And Jack at 35 was doing a whole lot better than Tiger is now.
     
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  14. NadalAgassi

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    Interesting. Which means Tiger would have to match or better Jack from age 36 onwards to tie or break his record (assuming he doesnt win one this year). And the way things look now I dont see that happening.
     
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  15. r2473

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    ^^ It will be tough. You don't really expect to win a major after the age of 40, so realistically, Tiger would need to win one a year the next 4 years to tie.
     
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  16. Tchocky

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    I seriously doubt Tiger will win another major. His head is not right and now his body is failing him.
     
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  17. r2473

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    He is ranked 55 at the moment and hasn't won a tournament in 2 years.

    I suspect he will be back on track in 2012 and win a major.

    Can he win 4 more and tie or 5 more and break Jack's record? If his knee holds up, I still think he can. He's still very fit and I suspect he can be very relevant for another 5 to even as many as 10 years.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/27/us-golf-pga-woods-idUSTRE79Q7QR20111027
     
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    Not a Tiger fan, but a fan of what he did for the game of Golf. As his game and the economy slide, I'm afraid purses and touraments will suffer and golf will once again fade away from the TV networks. More tournaments (except for the majors) will be pushed to the Golf Channel or ESPN2.

    I believe he's pretty well done unless somebody can really get into his head. He's only had 4 top 10 finishes in the last two years. He may get it together enough to win 1 or 2 more, but that's about it, kinda like Darren Clark won the British this year. It'll be more of an anomaly than anything expected.
     
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    The more relevant question now is whether he'll reach Wilt Chamberlain's record.
     
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  21. SoCal10s

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    TIGER will break the record.. golf is a weird game,when things really get unbearable,I've dove into golf and golf saved me.. Tiger will find golf again and it will save him.. it's like religion ,but better.. somewhat like meditation on one's self.. when you're out there when there's no one to turn to ,golf will listen and Tiger will listen back.. plus he knows how to work hard to be #1 ..
    deep down I still think Tiger is a good person.. he just let his other head got the upper hand .. for me, he was destined for all this to happen .. Tiger never should have gotten married... he should stayed single like Sergio and have all the funk he wants until mid-30s .. he must have known all along it was not for him..
     
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    hmmm..
    I can see most people voted to not -to- win.
    I am sure if he didn't fool around the vote will be totally opposite way.
     
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  24. thug the bunny

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    Golf, even more so than Tennis, relies so much upon confidence. When his world turned upside-down and people, instead of worshipping him, started berating and reviling him, his confidence went down the crapper. I am pretty certian that a good portion of his injuries were concocted.

    Then, with his mojo at an all-time low, he fires Hank and retools his swing. To me that was a sign of desperation. I am a student of the golf swing, and presently his swing looks like pure donkey dung.

    The head is one of the hardest things to fix in golf, and I'm not too sorry to say I think he's done. I always thought he was too arrogant for the sport anyway.
     
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    I would say no and want Jack's record to live on forever. But that's just because he was my golf idol when I was playing a ton in high school.

    It has been entertaining to see how Tiger dominated and the golf buzz he created for even the non-golfers of the world (before the big breakup/divorce).

    But the pampered pros of today (basically in any other sports as well) owe everything to the pros of yesterday. The Jack Nicklauses, Arnold Palmers, Bobby Hulls of the world paved the way for the pros multi-million dollar contracts and purses of today. What's even more amazing is the grueling life the pros of the 50's and 60's led, with more primitive travel (by car to and from tournaments). And many of those pros had families earlier in life. That'll tap your energy level.

    In other sports, the pros had jobs during the off season.

    Who misses the NBA? Not a lot of people. Because they are a bunch of spoiled millionaire babies (many with rap sheets). At least in sports like golf and tennis, you typically don't survive unless you play well. Unlike where you have to play well in the last year of your contract to get signed again.

    I'm rambling now and will get off my soap box.
     
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  26. jamesblakefan#1

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    I think he's starting to turn the corner...he's not dead yet.
     
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  27. Magic of tennis

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    No more support for tiger
     
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    Agree, he only needs to win 5 out of the next 40 majors...

    I think that is very possible.
     
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    No, I'm keeping an eye on Rory McIlroy who we claim as our own here in Ireland even though he's from the North...
     
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    Yep, as a fellow Brit I've been following McIlroy's progression keenly.

    There's been plenty of decent British golfers in recent times, but we haven't really had a truly great one since Faldo. Here's hoping Rory goes on to be the next one.
     
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    Lee Westwood's performance this past weekend was lights out. He put a beatdown on the field.

    Re Tiger, even though he did well this weekend, his swing is looking wierd. His plane is more vertical and out to in, and he even has a bit of a reverse pivot, just like an amateur hack. I don't think that swing is going to produce 5 more major wins.
     
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  32. r2473

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    He shot a final round 73 and almost lost his 7 stroke lead.

    His first win in 2 years. Does everyone know that he only played 26 tournaments in that timeframe? That's not a lot. His problem IMO is more with his knee right now than anything else.

    If he stays healthy, he starts winning majors / dominating golf again (we all want to see a Tiger / McIlroy showdown in a major don't we).
     
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  33. thug the bunny

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    Wow. I didn't follow the final round (I was playing rather than watching). I hereby retract my nomination.

    Call me cynical, but I just get the feeling Eldrick's 'knee problems' were more mental and swing problems. I think he needed a mental break and was tired of embarassing himself, and I think his swing is still suspect, but we'll see..
     
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    Tiger was winning majors even when he was driving it into the trees at times. Golf is more mental than anything, some of the guys with the best fundamentals aren't the most successful (like Sergio). Very similar to tennis in that regard.

    But like I said, it's mental, and if Tiger gets a few more good wins like this and eventually gets another major, I think he will refocus and start pulling down 1-2 a year again.
     
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  35. thug the bunny

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    jbf1, you're probably right, if anyone can stage a comeback it would be Tiger, but the insane game of golf has devoured many pros who went from first to worst (Duval is a prime example) and never recovered.
     
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    Don't agree with your assessment of Segio. Of all the talented players on tour, he would have to have one of the worst fundamentals. The constant griping re-griping of his club before every shot.
    When he first came onto the tour, it was really bad, but he's been working on it, now not so bad.

    But agree with other points.
     
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  37. jamesblakefan#1

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    Guys slump all the time in golf though, which makes what Tiger was able to do with his period of dominance even more impressive. Phil Mickelson won 3 majors in 3 years, then fell into a slump after he choked at the USO in 06 and didn't win another until the Masters last year.

    For a guy like Tiger, he's likely already gone as low as he possibly can without falling off the cliff. He's on his way back up now...people forget he was just in the hunt at the Masters earlier this year, so it's not like he's far away. If he gets his consistency and mental game back on track, it's hard to say he won't win another. From there, who knows. Obviously his health is the big question mark.
     
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  38. r2473

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    I remember when Phil would fold like a cheap lawn chair and Tiger would cruise to victory......
     
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    Keep hoping every event is the one where he (Tiger) comes back but keep getting disappinted. Mickelson doesn't look like losing his lead at Pebble Beach....
     
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    PB was a flip-flop of old times, when Tiger would come charging up the leader board and Phil would backslide.

    Congrats to Lefty. His demeanor and humble attitude speak volumes.
     
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    I think Tiger has lost his Mojo. Not juggling 12 at once women have has adversely effected his game.:shock:
     
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    Why do you think he's not juggling 12+ women these days?
     
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    Because he's 'cured'. But, just like many besotted or drug dependent comedic geniuses, they lose their edge when they seek therapy and join the world of the normal and the mundane.
     
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    Don't call it a comeback. :)
     
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    Federer winning, Woods winning, it feel like we've gone back to 2007.
     
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  46. thug the bunny

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    I knew this thread would be dug up after his win.

    But, G Mac pretty much handed the win to Woods down the back stretch, and Tiger hit a bunch of waywards shots but managed to stay ahead.

    Also, Bay Hill is one of Tiger's fav venues and it suites his karma for some reason. I don't think Tiger's game is sharp enough yet to start winning majors again. His weird out-to-in swing just doesn't look right to me..
     
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    No. His 4 stroke advantage from his length advantage is gone. The liberal media thought the 'Tiger Woods Effect' would mean a huge influx of minorities to the game. But his legacy will be that the new generation of players a) works out and stays in shape - not tennis shape but better than the fat boys who used to be so prevalent on Tour; b) swing incredibly hard and hit the ball a mile - quite a few players hit it a lot further than Tiger now.

    Note: he won his 72nd event yesterday - Fed has 73 in less years...
     
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    To both you and thug - Tiger's actually leading the tour in driving this season (not distance, but efficiency). His driving the past few years had been crappy, but his swing changes seem to be set in. His health is the great wild card now. That and his putting still isn't what it was at his peak.

    http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tour...l-beteween-tiger-woods-and-jack-nicklaus.html

    Also, comparing Tiger to Fed is impossible, golf is harder to win, tennis you play your opponent one on one and have a greater say on the outcome than in golf where if a guy goes nuts and outscores you there's nothing you can do about it. So comparing tourney wins is irrelevant.
     
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  49. thug the bunny

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    So jbf1, what do you think his chances are in the Master's?

    My observations are totally qualitative, but his ball striking is just not consistent enough yet. The only shot that really impressed me on the last 9 at Bay Hill was a 30yd slice 5 wood that returned his ball to the fairway in front of the green after a dead pull-hook drive on 16(?). And, yes, his putting needs to be sharper as well.

    I wish he would return his swing plane to normal. That over the top out-in swing makes me cringe.
     
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  50. jamesblakefan#1

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    Right now I'd say he's the favorite, even over McIlroy. He always does his best at Augusta and he's gonna have even more confidence after finally winning. Even last year he had a shot on the back 9 on Sunday.
     
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