Will Tournament affect rating?

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by robert, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. robert

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    A 4.0 player asked me whether an 4.5 tournament will affect his usta rating.

    He played 4.0 league with ok results. And worried about whether 4.5 tournament will count in his rating.
     
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  2. goober

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    It depends on the section. Each section determines if tournaments will affect ratings or not. If the section does count them they only affect end of year ratings, they don't count in 3 strikes or DQ from what I understand.
     
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  3. robert

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    How about PNW?
    He is still 4.0 player with 60% winning record. And he is worried about whether this 4.5 tournament will affect his end of year rating.
     
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  4. dizzlmcwizzl

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    You can look on the website or contact the PNW coordinator directly. However, the USTA in general and some districts in particular go out of their way not to divulge to much information.
     
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  5. Roforot

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    How do you find this on the USTA website? What terms did you google?

    FWIW, I was told in Texas the tournaments do not contribute towards ratings, but I'd like to see one way or the other in print.
     
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  6. dizzlmcwizzl

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    It was not hard ... Just google Pacific Northwest Usta and ratings are the first link.

    From that site ...

    THE USTA PACIFIC NORTHWEST DOES NOT RECOGNIZE 'T' (TOURNAMENT) RATINGS FOR USE IN THE USTA LEAGUE TENNIS PROGRAM.


    So this means ... if you are T rated player then for adult leagues if you only have a 'T' rating then you would be considered a self rate for adult / senior / 40+ leagues. The web site site does not indicate if they use Tournies to calculate computer ratings but I suspect not.
     
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  7. goober

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    Actually it is more difficult than you make it sound. All T rated players have to self rate if they join a league not just PNW. From USTA website: .

    You actually have to dig deeper and sometimes the info is not readily available unless you directly ask someone like LC or email the section.
     
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  8. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Actually that is exactly what I said.


     
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  9. goober

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    Whatever dude your second post added nothing that was relevant to the question at hand- what does a T rating having to self rate have to do with whether or not tournaments count towards your league rating or not? They are not related at all. So why even post it?


    The OP said the person in question already was in a league and wanted to know if tourneys counted or not.

    Not really a big deal but you came off like making the the OP was an idiot by saying "It was not hard ... " then you post something about Tournament rated players having self rate which has nothing to do with his qustion.
     
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  10. Jack the Hack

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    To answer the OP's question, the PNW section currently does NOT count tournament results into the year end NTRP calculation. Therefore, your 4.0 player can play all the 4.5 tournaments he wants and it won't get him bumped up or down.

    By the way, this wasn't always the case. Up until 2007, the PNW did count sanctioned tournaments into the calculation. However, they stopped because the ratings disparity within the Open and age group events was messing things up (for example, a 3.5 taking a couple games off of a 5.0 or 5.5 who didn't care in an early round of an Open event would end up getting the 3.5 unfairly bumped to 4.0). In addition, unscrupulous players were using the NTRP events as a means of knocking their ratings down after the League seasons. I know of several players that went undefeated in League, made Sectionals/Nationals, and were on the mid-year/early start bump list, but then purposely played 2 or 3 NTRP tournaments where they threw all their matches by 1-6, 1-6 or 0-6, 0-6 scores in order to remain at a lower rating level. (I brought this to the attention of the PNW Grievance Committee chairperson in '05 or '06, and she couldn't believe people were doing this until she saw the scores.)

    In a perfect world, I think that all matches should count against your NTRP and that all players should have a numerical sectional and national ranking. In other words, you'd have an NTRP rating and a ranking based on every match you play. These two numbers would balance for competitive players, as you'd be motivated to get a higher ranking... which would also push your NTRP level higher. Unfortunately, no matter what you do, someone will find a way to cheat.
     
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