Williams' NO to Indian Wells

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    Good riddance.
     
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    Yea, wasn't expecting them to come :p
     
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    Traumatizing. I don't blame them for not wanting to go back. Being african american myself, I probably wouldn't go back either. I just hope this can be smoothed over eventually.

    Don't let the father talk though
     
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    Hurray!!! no sour grapes comments from Serena when she loses....

    what a reprieve!
     
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    Its so horrible of you to say that. Do you watch sports for babes, or for quality tennis. What the sisters have done for sports is phenomenal.. and none of your blatant and cheap comments are gonna lessen their impact on the game.. WTA should thank the sisters.. People are watching them because the sisters are playing. How would you feel if someone else said something bad about your parents...huh...? Shame on you......!
     
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    I don't care if Serena has been arrogant in the past or not; I don't care about how Richard Williams is dumb at times. I still think what those people did that year was incredibly rude.
     
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    Pure idiotic garbage.
     
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    what a strange situation, not something you'd expect in california. i can't really hear what they're saying in the video, but i'll assume its pretty bad. if i were them i wouldn't go back either.
     
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    Truer words were never posted.

    The Williams Sisters are the scourge of the WTA. The Association, tennis and the sports world would be ten times the better if they never again stepped foot on a tennis court.
     
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    More food for others in the buffets
     
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    goes to show those guys at IW they cant just accept Peer like that into events...

    ps: please read with sarcastic swith on...
     
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    I was there for the whole thing.. The reason people was pissed off b/c Venus gave Serena a walk over.. Imaging you are waiting in the heat for a whole day for the match and I think about 10-15 mins before it starts that announced Venus pulled out.. That pissed people off.. and Richard Williams has the tendency to include RACE into his reasons.. I knew one of the main BIG sponsor for that year IW and he told me that no way they will continue their sponsorship after the contract over.. ..
     
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    So wait,
    Are all you people supporting the fact that a 19 old girl was heckled and had racist tauts directed at her?
     
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    I am no hate or disklike the Williams what so ever BUT those are the exact words that I heard some of the main sponsors said.. They are happy if the Williams not play the tournement at all.. !! I don't think even Nike sells much of Williams gear compare to others.. !!
     
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    I never understood how it was a race thing. So many people on here were like what happened in indian wells was due to racism but then I read that it was because venus withdrew at the last minute. I would have been pissed if I bought a ticket for the final and had to wait only to find out there was no final.
     
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    I think that is what Richard Williams wanted people to think.. He decided Venus pulled out and then he said he heard one fan say something and etc.. that's whole thing from start was ochastrated by Richard ..

    Yes, there were alot of people BOOOING them but not b/c of their RACE but b/c they pulled out last minute.. gave Serena a walk over.. Yeah.. I had to drive home early too..
     
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    Boo-hoo. Fans are jerks, but they pay their money, which the Williams sisters pocket.

    The cries of racism on the part of certain folks strike me as racist in themselves. You have a whole crowd of mostly white people booing you, which must mean that they are racist. There couldn't be any other reason, like the walkover.

    Linear thinking at its worst. The whole world isn't out to get you, Williamses. Just quite acting like assholes.
     
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    I think the crowd were lots of white.. lots of BLACK (they came out to suport the Williams from Los Angeles).. and lots of Yellow like me who love to watch tennis.. and some Brownies.. who mixed in.. I meant the whole thing was started b/c of Richard Williams.... and we all get fool by it.. !!
     
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    I don't think anyone gets fooled. What happens is usually two-fold:

    A) The media covers it, because there's potential controversy and is therefore news-worthy for them (commodified)

    B) There is always potential for appeasement on the part of corporate entities towards the parties who claim offense, because of the negative publicity involved, rather than an active acknowledgement of fault

    In other words, the story permeates despite the fact that most folks read this and don't buy a word of it.
     
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    I really dont know what happened definatively but for a whole crowd to boo a young girl is uncalled for...

    If that happened to me I doubt I would go back....

    For the people saying good ridance ineffect thats an interesting stance....because if it were not for the Williams sisters the standard of tennis being playe on the WTA would not have risen when the first came on the scene and without them now we would have an even weaker field...

    You can't please everyone....

    But I think they are great champions
     
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    Than it was also uncalled for the whole crowd to boo Djokovic on USO after he defended himself from Roddick's sleazy claims. He could have also pulled racism or bigotry like Richard did, but of course he didn't.

    Should he boycott the USO now? I don't think so.
     
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    It was uncalled for by the USO crowd.
    He can go ahead and boycott USO if he so chooses.


    They booed and insulted (claims of course) a 19 year old girl for something out of her control. All these "conspiracy" and "everything is set up" rumors are garbage too
     
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    Djokovic insulted the crowd and got booed for it. That was an extremely poor example. Epic Fail. It had nothing to do with racism and bigotry.
     
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    Of course it doesn't have anything to do with racism and bigotry. Same as IW incident. That was my point.

    However Djokovic didn't insult the crowd. Crowd was over the top during the match as well and all he said was that they were cheering against him because of Roddick's stupid and false accusations. I don't get how is that an insult.

    You could also say that Williams family insulted the crowd by pulling Venus out of the match at the last moment and giving Serena a walkover.

    So example is perfectly viable and your comment was "epic fail" as some of you like to say.

    Also this "epic fail" nonsece is getting quite lame.
     
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    who cares.
     
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    . Djokovic called out the crowd by falsely accusing them of believing that he was faking his injuries. Keep in mind that most people were there to watch a tennis match and had no clue about what happened in the press conference. Djokovic brought the booing upon himself by accusing the crowd . Djokovic even admitted that he handled the situation very poorly. Funny you didnt realize that at the beginning of djokovics interview with michael baracan the crowd cheered loudly for his victory
     
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    I hope Billie Jean King slams them with the suspension that skipping the event calls for. Not like the exact same fans are in the crowd eight years later. Not the same sponsors. Last minute withdrawal is going to bring forth some hecklers...and Richard has a way of bringing out the worst in tennis fans that surrounds racism--look what he said about Evert.

    Time to forget the past and start playing.
     
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    Djokovic was calling out Roddick after his sleazy remarks, not the crowd. Again you forgot that crowd was booing Djokovic during the match as well because of what Roddick said.

    Also you are ignoring the fact that what Williams family did is much closer to the insult than what Djokovic did.

    And again your "epic fail" is lame.
     
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    he called out both. He called out roddick which is completely understandable but then he called out the crowd which was not cool at all. djokovics exact words " Well, I know they are already against me because they think I am faking" He lost alot of his fans in the stadium who were cheering for him when he won the match. Bottom line, I dont think that the booing incident with djokovic was anything racial. He would not have been booed if he didnt accuse the crowd. I guess we can agree to disagree.
     
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    exactly.

    I'm sure other players have tournaments they don't like playing. The WS don't like playing IW so...whatever.
     
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    The two examples are not even close....but I'll humour you for a sec....I personally thought Roddick put his foot in his mouth....he tried to be clever and over stepped the mark....

    I think the crowd were just supporting "their" guy (Roddick)

    Djoko was not a girl nor a teenager.......he stood up for himself like he should have and had to suffer the consequences....

    Neither I nor you know if anyone did or didn't say somethin racist.....I didn't mention that particular incident in my response so I dont know why you are bringing it up now....

    It's not an important tounament (to them) and they can afford to miss it therefore let them miss it.
     
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    Didn't Rafa get booed last year? I think it was in Paris matsers? Someone can correct me if I am wrong. Anyway, if I remeber he got booed for retireing in a match. I don't think he will hold a grude. LOL.
     
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    yeah he did. He retired after the first set, I think 6-1. Atleast he finished the set. Poor rafa though, but, I don't think he thought much of it.
     
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    I'm personally not a fan of the Williams sisters. They're great players for sure, hit very hard, but it's just not my preferred style. I don't like some of their remarks either. They seem kinda arrogant sometimes for me. But fir many reasons they're very important to the sport. With regards to that incident, I do think it had a racial and gender tone. Racism is not an objective and obvious issue as many would think. Here in Brazil it's much more subliminar, but nonetheless not less relevant. People may be racist or xenophobic without knowing. It may be part of the common sense of a certain group of people, so you don't even contest it. I think Indian Wells' was a racial incident because it just doesn't make sense to boo and say improper things to the Williams family if you know Venus had to retire due to wrist problems. And the problem is that had she entered the match and lost easily, maybe the situation wouldn't happen (at least not so intensely), but certainly many would say it was arranged as a conspiracy for Serena to win (what wouldn't be fair at all in this case). So why did Venus had to play if she just couldn't? Would the fans react the same way if the same event happened with, let me say, the Bryan brothers? Anyway, I think is defensable to say it wasn't a racial stuff, but I'm deeply sorry for those that not only don't criticize what happened that day but support it and wish the "withdraw from tennis". People who say that just can't blame the French crowd for being inelegant or criticize the Dubai tournament for not allowing Sharah Peer to play on it. You just can't mix up sports with personal, politics, ethnic, religious issues. This (sport) is the place for the embracement of the alterity, not for segregation. It's just not possible to say with conviction that anyone would do different if one were treated like the Williams' sisters were that day.
     
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    Its just one less opportunity good ole Richard will have to play the race card and claim white America is racist against his family.
     
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    oh, well screw him than. Too bad Serena got caught in the middle of that.
     
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    I'm not a big fan of the sisters but they do provide some entertaining tennis and have worked hard for what they have.

    Some of the comments on this thread though are sick. I'll leave it at that.
     
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    Regardless of racism or not, they didn't have to boo her as she was coming in to watch the match. Richard Williams did step over the line, but so did the crowd at IW also.
     
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    That is really the bottom line. And as far as tendinitis goes, a lot of folks seem to be willing to swallow the Fed mono story and the Fed back pain story (Peter Bodo seems to be the first guy to cast suspicion on these stories in public). Why not extend the same benefit of doubt to Venus?

    They were young girls then, and instead of supporting their countrywomen, the crowd showed its true "colors." No one should be forced to put up with that kind of mob behavior, regardless of the excuses.

    This may be a year for healing, but first the affected party must agree. It is not for others who were not affected at all to declare that healing must begin.

    And re: Richard Williams, his comments on Chrissie were vicious considering that she never hurt them and on the contrary, always supported them and still does.
     
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    Most people on this website are racist and sexist that's why they can't stand the Williams sisters and the WTA. And That's why I rarely post here.
     
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    I don't have volume here at work. I'll review the clip at home later.

    All I can say is that fans boo mercilessly at all sports, so the complaints and particularly the defense of the sisters suprises me.

    Fans are paying customers. They reserve the right to boo. Sports are theatre with villains and heroes - fans are part of it.
     
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    You clearly have not been paying attention. Federer got flack despite the fact that he kept playing while sick with mono.
     
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    I'm not sure how any of you(even if you were there) could know for sure that there weren't any racial comments made in 2001 Indian Wells. One or 2 idiots could have said something that Serena, Venus, or Richard heard. Often in charged situations at sporting events (where everyone is screaming, etc) 1 or 2 fans can get away with saying some pretty foul stuff(I've heard it at NBA/MLB games personally). So 1 or 2 racist fans combined with an american crowd that is 99% against you, an american (seriously I've been to davis cup matches in the US where the crowds weren't 1/4 as hostile as this to the away team), & I understand why you would want to take a pass on this event forever(& not necessarily just because you weren't treated well, imagine how annoying the press would be with her if she played? it wouldn't be possible for her to 'just move on' they wouldn't let her, every damn press conference would begin with, 'so in 2001...')

    and lets not forget the racist fan ejected at key biscayne in 2007, this isn't all just 'imagined racism' from the williams family:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdFR_76oI7I&feature=related

    yeah, usually in sports where you are actually allowed to make noise during the game. In tennis? not so much.


    and going back to the 'reason' the crowd was upset. ok, so venus withdrew minutes before her scheduled semi with serena(which I agree was not cool)

    but do you realize the final wasn't played until 2 days later? with a different crowd that was there that night for the cancelled semi? do any of you attend tennis events? its not like the same crowd is present for every session.

    I thought it was strange that the hostility was so intense even though it was 2 days later, with many people that weren't affected by the cancelled semi at all. It was sort of disturbing to see.
     
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    Have the Williams sisters been to IW since 2001?
     
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    I think both sister need not play but have made it up by playing other tounements Venus is in Mexico and i think Serena will play a lot more she alread has this year more than she ever has
     
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