Wilson 90 Users: What Larger Frame Have You Made The Switch To And Never Looked Back?

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  1. asifallasleep

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    I love my thin beamed K90's and have used all the other Wilson 90's as well. I've lost count of the many times I've tried to switch to a larger frame but have always returned to my 90 or PS88. Can the 90 users who have made the switch give details of their process and what larger frame they are now happy with? Thanks.
    I've purchased and sold the following: Prestige, Rad Pro, IG Rad Pro, IG Extreme Pro, APD (2009 and 2013), Dunlop 300, EXO3, Becker Legend, BLX Pro Open.
     
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  2. ART ART

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    6.1 BLX 95" - 16x19, with some lead and silicone ;)
     
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  3. Phantasm

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    I used to use a HPS 6.1 , went to an n90, went to the n6.1 16x18 and back to my HPS 6.1.
     
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  4. William Bedford

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    I have used:

    Head Prestige Classic (93)
    Wilson Tour 90
    Wilson Ncode 90
    Wilson BLX 90


    Just recently switch to 100 sq inch Head Youtek IG Extreme Pro 2.0. While I still cant volley as well as my previous mid frames, serves, ground strokes and 1HBH are improved.

    I wont be going back to Wilson mid sized frames. At 39, the larger sweetspot and topspin potential have my game up a few notches...
     
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  5. SCRAP IRON

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    I made the switch as well, but what this poster meant to write is that the 6.1 BLX is a 16 x 18 pattern. Great frame...
     
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  6. mirceam

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    pure drive roddick gt
     
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  7. corners

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    Nah, Art Art's talking about the BLX Pro Staff 95 16x19.
     
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  8. Phantasm

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    Ohhh the BLX PS95. Edited my post haha
     
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    Head pt57a made the switch after suffering through many different racquets after my 90's ad this is the best fit so far. Will I stay with it? I hope so cause I won't be selling them and that's a lot of $$ just sitting there if I am not going to use them. Keen to try the 57e though...
     
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  10. roundiesee

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    Not sure if I should post, as I have never made a successful switch. Similar to the OP, I have tried the following- Speed MP (white); Juice 100; Head YT Inegra Prestige MP; MG Rad MP; several Prestige Mids (PC600, MG, YT)-> and always I have returned back to my ProStaff Tour 90, :(
     
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  11. movdqa

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    Head Prestige MP (YT and now IG) XL. I initially had some control and accuracy problems with my 1HBH but I eventually compensated with more topspin or better timing. The forehand felt better with the bigger racquet. The XL moves the sweetspot back up to where it was with the mids. BTW, I came from the KPS88. I'm pretty sure that I could play with a 100 as well, as long as it wasn't too stiff and had a lot of heft.
     
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  12. mto

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    not claiming that i never looked back, but:

    KBlade Tour with some lead and silicone.
     
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  13. Joonas

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    From Prestige MPs and BLX PS 90 to POG OS. Happy but not saying that never look back...
     
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  14. shamaho

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    From ncode 90 to Prince Graphite Exo3 100

    Still looking back though, nothing to do with the racket itself, which has that classic feel, but mostly due to the required adjustments from a very manouverable HL racket to a more balanced frame.... messing with the swing and timming...


    Only after a few months I feel a bit more aquainted with the needed adjustments and feeling more at home. Definitely gained in the defensive plays and low volleys...
     
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  15. SCRAP IRON

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    6.1 95 BLX - Great frame from Wilson.
     
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  16. corners

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    I haven't managed it yet either. Why have you never made a permanent switch? The bigger frames just not giving you enough extra forgiveness & pop, or not enough feel?
     
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  17. darklore009

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    i used the 90 sq inches. so i tried to play with bigger frames like the pure drive, aero pro, steam 99s, dunlop 200 tour. however i never liked the mid pluses because they dont feel the same way as the smaller headsize is.
     
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  18. martini1

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    You always look back.
     
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  19. roundiesee

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    Corners, it's the feel and control I guess, plus with the prostaff, I never seem to get arm pain despite using full poly. The longest spell I had (sans prostaff) was with the Juice 100, but for some reason I could not dial in on the power of the racket. I never did manage to find a proper string set up for the juice.
    I did like the black pure drive 2012 as well, but I was afraid of getting TE, and judging by some posters' testimony (guitar player was the latest I think), I am glad I chose not to use this.
     
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  20. Fed Kennedy

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    did you try the pro open?
     
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  21. Pete.Sampras.

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    I switched to the K6.1 95.

    Everything was easier with this stick, but I wish it had a little less power.

    I still like the 85/90 though. Great frames, awesome feel, just not as good for me anymore since I play on clay most of the time - lots of doubles too.
     
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  23. Toodles

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    Yup.

    I love my 90s, and still use them occasionally, particularly when I play on grass.

    I made the switch to the Graphene Speed Pro a few months ago, and I just play better with it. I find that the 18x20 pattern still gives me plenty of control, particularly on serve, I haven't changed a thing and I'm still getting the same results.The added power from the larger headsize helps to keep the ball deeper in the court. I can hit for more power and control the point from the baseline easier, putting less pressure on my approaches & volleys.
     
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  24. MauricioDias

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    Bigger heads are no as stable as 90 or Kps88, i tried playing with babolats but the game just got worse.
     
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  25. asifallasleep

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    With lead in the throat on my Head Youtek IG Extreme Pro 2.0's it swings and feels very similar to my K90's. I've seen a few 90 users have mentioned that they've transitioned to the Extreme Pro's from their 90's.
     
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  26. movdqa

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    I've played with both the K90 and KPS88 and my IG Prestige MPs are far more stable.

    Of course the silicone in the handle and 30 inches of lead tape in the hoop might help a little bit.

    > I've seen a few 90 users have mentioned that
    > they've transitioned to the Extreme Pro's from their
    > 90's.

    A friend of mine used the Redondo Mid for a while (I did too at the time) and it was stable but underpowered. He bought a K-something that was really cheap at a local store and he played with it and didn't play well with it. It was a 100 sq incher and pretty light. I told him that it needed some lead tape so he bought a roll of lead tape and he played much better with it. I asked him how much he used and he said the whole roll - I think that a roll is 28 inches which is a lot.

    He's been using that racquet for a couple of years now and plays fine with it. He didn't have preconceived notions on 90s, 95s and 100s - he was willing to give anything a shot.

    I went through the journey from Eastern to Semi-Western, hitting with more topspin and going to a racquet with a bigger head and my game is better than it was before (yeah my fitness is much better too). It does take time and effort to make the changes but it can result in winning more matches.

    I played a match today with the IG Prestige MPs and I guarantee you that stability was nowhere on my list of concerns.
     
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  27. EatMyForehand

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    I tried the Pure Drive Roddick for 6 months but switch back afterwards. It's a great racquet but I lacked the control and feel I got with my 90. I also could not hone my one handed backhand with the pure drive.
     
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  28. movdqa

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    I tried a PDR after using the K90 as well. I could play fine with it (had to add topspin on my shots) but it killed my arm. The 90 was a little harsh on the arm too but not as bad as the PDR. It's a technique issue on going to powerful frames and you have to commit to changing technique - which is a big pain.
     
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  29. kingcheetah

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    Damn that's a comprehensive list!

    I was using the 90 exclusively for 8 months, before that I was testing racquets for about two months and kept going back to it... but I liked several of the frames you mentioned (radical pro, aero pro, Presige mid, Juice Pro) I just didn't like them as much as I liked the 90. I probably liked the 90 a lot because it played relatively similarly to the 2010 Six one 95 18x20... which I used for 2 and a half years and never had issues with.

    In September I demoed some racquets just for fun, the Blade 98 in 18x20 and 16x19, the Rad Pro again and the Blade 104, and was a bit surprised at the results... In my experience the 18x20 Blade felt very tinny, and had no feel whatsoever. The 16x19 was better, but I couldn't really get a feel for what I was doing with it either. I liked the radical pro, but not like the 90.

    So I picked up the 104, anticipating the possibility of taking out the back fence in the air, and started playing well with it. I was pretty shocked. I switched back and forth for about 20 minutes of drills between the 104 and the 90 (entertaining for my d3 college teammates) and was better in defensive situations with the 104. Being 6'4" 200, I can hit any racquet well on an aggressive point, but my defense with the 90 had been somewhat of an issue. That same day, I played my first practice set with the 104 against a teammate, having never served with it before and won 6-2. I had a little adjusting to do, but decided the access to spin and feel, combined with the forgiving nature of the frame made it a great option, and a bit of lead (which later became quite a bit of lead) would stabilize it a little bit, and get it closer to what I was used to.

    I'm still adjusting, but the last month of the 104 has been really enjoyable! The access to spin is great, its not stiff at all and it still feels very much like a "players stick" in my experience.
     
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  30. Overdrive

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    Division 3 GOATs don't use 104" racquets... :p
     
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  31. kingcheetah

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    True. They use pure drives or aero pros then complain the 104 is too stiff :)
    (I had a teammate actually make this complaint)
     
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  32. Overdrive

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    It's a big disadvantage if a player does not know about racquets in general..
     
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  33. kingcheetah

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    It really doesn't matter at all-- I just found it funny they hated the 104 and when I asked what they disliked they made the "it was too stiff" claim.
     
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  34. Overdrive

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    Not a good answer...

    Anyways, since you like the 104 so much, you better stock up on them. They will be discontinued. Sooner or later....
     
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  35. kingcheetah

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    Meh I'll see how I like it in 10 months. I can recommend someone tries it, not that they buy it and dedicate their life to it. Since it only came out in December 2012 I feel safe assuming TW will stock it until Dec 14, so I have time to buy a truckload if I feel compelled.
     
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  36. Overdrive

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    Be sure to stay healthy. Someone on here had 14 Pure Storms and was injured.. Had to sell all of them...
     
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  37. kingcheetah

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    Shoulder injury from the weight? If it were something like a knee injury and the racquet didn't cause the problem, I'd hold on to what I had.
     
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  38. Overdrive

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    Nope, Badminton. :eek:
     
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  39. kingcheetah

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    :shock: :shock: :shock:
     
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  40. Alexc2505

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    Just switched to the new six one 95S after trying various frames after my PS 90 . It fits like a glove, first frame that has given me the same feeling of control, feel and solidity that the 90 gave me. It has a huge by comparison sweet spot so is more forgiving,in all a beautiful frame.
     
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  41. LiquidWhip

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    Hmm, interesting. I switched from the ncode 90 to the 6.1 95 16x18 and have really been enjoying the racquet with its similar weight, feel, control and plowthrough but the 6.1 95S seems like a compelling offering and has some very decent reviews. Might have to give it a demo…
     
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  42. Alexc2505

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    Well obviously its all relative to the player but two friends at the club both tried a short hit and agreed it was a nice feeling raquet. Its not going to suit everyone I'm sure but I'd certainly recommend a demo.
     
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  43. kingcheetah

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    interesting, in my experience with the spin racquets (steam 99s and 105s) they felt fairly tinny and not quite as solid as I like... do the other spin racquets (95s and blade 98s) offer a more solid feel?
     
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    This sounds somewhat similar to where my game is at having played with much of the 6.1's, k88 and ps85... I now hit semi-western fh, bh walking step, bigger kick serve.

    The comparable head prestige and Dunlop racquets are lighter and larger. The greater size allows for greater spin and easier baseline action, assuming one does not overhit. Because they are lighter, it gives room to add on weight to customize; noticed your sw is massive. If you are able to hit comfortably backcourt to backcourt and doubles volley for 2hrs with pace... Well, there really isn't much more to say.
     
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  45. UCSF2012

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    The racket only matters somewhat. I definitely notice differences in shot capabilities of different rackets, but in general, the differences are slight. These are my favorites

    BLX90 and later: slightly more dramatic spin compared to the n90 and earlier. Slices dig more; Kick serves jump more; 1hbh are weaker, so you really have to step in and/or set first. When you're jammed, you're stuck with a weak response at best; You have to swing away all the time. 3/4 swings tend to dump the ball into the net.

    K88 ultra dramatic spins. Amped 90. Tends to hit out in match situations. Hits heavy even if you're tired. Nearly same shot capacity as the 90, just more juiced. Doesn't play well with lead tape, as shots become erratic.

    6.1 95 18x20 - Very steady and predictable. Spins aren't overly dramatic but enough to throw off your opponents. Ball glides thru the air more; you can swing 75% and get ample power, so you just guide the ball to where you want it; swing away and you get 80mph forehands. Doesn't play well with lead tape, as shots become more erratic. 16x18 version is too hot. Spin is definite more amped, but there's a higher percentage of shots doing its own thing.

    Prince Diablo - precision demon. Spin beast. Shots aren't erratic. Lead tape makes it more vicious.
     
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  46. pistolero

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    IMO Wilson makes the best racquets for volleying... Right off the shelf. They are for players who demand performance from every spot on the court. They may not be the top choice for base liners, but if you play at a high level inside the box, they are tough to beat. Given their slicing and serving capability, one has to tip their hat to Wilson. The rest is up to you. :)
     
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  47. kingcheetah

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    So my teammate that restrung the 104 for me wasn't at practice today and I had to go with something else in my bag, I started with the Pro Staff 90 and it was UGLY. (rallying was ok but I just wasn't comfortable in points with it) I got steamed and went to the bag and grabbed my other option:

    I used my very worn 2010 Six one 95 18x20 and it is as sweet as I remember it... so much precision, so solid and just feels great to swing... I wasn't having the return issues that have been plaguing me recently, and the frame just felt natural at net. I think I'm going to keep this going, but it does reiterate my old opinions that my favorite racquet I've used in all my years of playing is the 2010 six one 95 18x20... if the 2014 is even close, I'll bite the bullet. (for me the 2012 was a step backward and just didn't feel as solid and precise as the 2010 did.) I still really like the blade, and the blade may be just as good with a setup I like, but the six one really didn't make things easy... (which it never has, my objective since 2012 has been trying to find something that plays like that 2010 edition, and I haven't found anything nearly as solid...)
     
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  48. SCRAP IRON

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    I will go against the crowd for the simple reason that you MIGHT want to check out a racket not made by Wilson. Try the 97 or 93 head size offering from Yonex.
     
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  49. SharkysMV1

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    Blade 98 18X20 here. Currently loving it, but I do miss the rewards of hitting the sweet spot in the K90.
     
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    Was hitting a little with a friend's prestige mp, full bed poly (which he said were dead), slightly lead at the 1 & 11, and it felt very nice. Did not do more than just ground hitting, but can really let loose, big and fast full swings. Good accuracy. quite comfortable and enjoyable.
     
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