Discussion in 'TW Questions/Comments' started by nkjwlf, Oct 18, 2013.
You said in the review you were switching. What string did you like and did tou add any weight?
Is Chris back to answer what string he uses?
I have not dialed that all in just yet. So far I have been using the frames we had here for testing and those are used by the test team, so I have not altered any. Once I get my own racquets I will start to dial them in to my preferred specs.
My preferred spec right now is around 12.6oz, 325SW which makes the balance about 9-11pts HL depending on the racquet being customized. Swingweight and weight are most important and the balance falls where it may to get me to that spec.
For string I hit several during the test. I liked 4G in the racquet and also liked a new string on its way from Head called Hawk. Going forward I will be trying Big Banger Original and seeing how low I can go with tension while still getting the needed control.
Thank you so much. I pre orderwd mine as soon as I read and saw your review. I ordered the grip a size small and have heat shrink ordered and a leather grip coming too. Do you have any experience with Ripspin compared to the 4G and BBO? I ordered it with Ripspin but I suppose I have till Nov 1 to change the order. Thank you for your reply and your great review.
Not a huge fan of Ripspin. I hit it in this racquet and preferred the response with other strings. I would go with ALU Power, BBO, 4G or Cyclone over Ripspin.
Dare I ask if you have switched to the 95S having already hit the new Prestiges or are you yet to hit them?
I have hit them. We have been testing them for about a month now.
May I also dare ask if you have playtested the new Wilson Pro Staff before deciding on the 95s?
^^^ I second that question
(edit) .... and in particular the ProStaff 95S
^^^^^I third it
^^^^^^^ I fourth it
Sorry to threadjack...
Any idea when the Head Hawk is coming out? I've tried a set and really liked it as well. Me thinks its gonna come out when the new Graphene Radicals come out but just a hunch :twisted:
Microphage you are under arrest for hijacking. Prepare for waterboarding.
Hey Chris how does it compare to the Head IG Prestige MP and why did you switch from that racquet?
I have also hit all of the Pro Staffs, including the 95S. The difference between those two is that the Pro Staff feels much softer and less responsive. The feel for me is more touch inspired. The Six.One just gets the ball to the target with a faster, crisper and more responsive feel. Switching from that to the Pro Staff, I felt like I was waiting for the racquet to catch up with the Pro Staff. The Six.One is so much more direct, whereas the Pro Staff has some lag to it -- that hurt me on defense a little. On the flip side, the Six.One 95S rocks on defense and enables me to got straight to offense with one swing.
Hawk String has an ETA of around November 13.
Both the Six.One 95S and YT IG Prestige MP are fast and maneuverable racquets. However, I hit a bigger ball with the Six.One. I defend better with it. I get more spin with it. And with the 18 mains, I'm not losing control. The Prestige offers a plusher feel, but the Six.One is very crisp and I feel equally connected to the ball, just in a different way.
Thanks for the answer on the ProStaff vs Six.One difference. Very interesting observation.... seems like it's almost an "old school" feel vs. "new school" feel. If I can just have a quick follow up question.... other than the obvious open string pattern difference (on the "S" frames), can you see much difference between the current ProStaff line and the new line?
Thanks for the answer Chris...
Just another question from me.. How would you describe the feel and comfort level between the 95s and your previous C10 Pro? Based on specs and my short experience hitting with the C10 Pro, I would imagine the difference is huge.
I am almost ready to jump on the 95s but am really concerned about the 67 stiffness.
Thanks again for your time
I need to hit them side by side more to answer that question. I've hit them more against the other new offerings from Wilson and everyone else since we are hitting them all for reviews right now. Since the Six.Ones reviews are wrapped up and I'm no longer hitting old and new Six.Ones, I'll have more time for old vs new Pro Staffs going forward.
The C10 Pro is a very plush feeling racquet. The Six.One 95S is firmer and crisper feeling. However, I found no comfort issues with the 95S. The open string pattern means there is ample string deflection so I still get that nice ball pocket.
Thanks for the reply again Chris.
I heard that you switched the grip to a leather one and put some lead at 12 o'clock. Which leather grip did you use and how much lead at 12? Also, what is the additional cost for me for TW to install those (grip and lead)?
I added lead under the leather as well to make the racquet nice and had light while adding some weight. I used a TW leather grip.
At the tip I added about 8 inches of 1/4 inch tape in total - 4 inches on each side.
My current spec is 12.3 ounces and 11 points head light strung with an overgrip and a dampener.
The MRT Service to install the grip and weight the racquet up would be $20. There is a $5 additional charge if you'd like us to use Tungsten weight. Paul, our racquet customization guru, will work with you to get everything dialed in.
Hope that helps,
I'm curious about how you add your weight. I'm trying to learn as I customize my 95S...great racquet stock but I feel I need more plow through, especially on serve.
Even though you add almost an ounce, most of it is just to increase the mass of the racquet, not really the swing weight. So here's my question.
If you had two racquets with the same swing weight but one was let's say 10ounces and the other was 12 ounces, would the heavier have more plough through?
Is it that simple?
The heavier racquet will have more plow through and better shock absorption. Obviously swingweight is important, but the added mass will still be put to good work on your swing even if it is mostly consolidated in the handle.
Tail weighting is a good way to beef up the stick while still keeping the tip light so you can maintain a high swing speed -- I see this style of adding weight gaining more traction again with the chase for more and more spin.
I wanted to pick your brain concerning your extensive play tests with the 6.1 95s and the Pro Staff 95S. I played with the 6.1 95s this weekend and really liked the ground strokes and volleys. I think it was strung with 17g NXT and I was getting great bite on my second serves. However, when I was trying to hit flat bombs they were not all that impressive. I usually can really bring the heat with a pdr+ or a k90..I was curious how your 6.1 95s once customized compares to those racquets in regards to pace on serve (I thought it could be a string issue possibly with the nxt or maybe a need for some extra weight). Also the Pro Staff 95s looks really intriguing to me, but I have heard a few posters compare it to the pure storm limited, which I thought was a total dud when it came to serves and even generating pace on groundstrokes...any thoughts on comparing these raquests would be greatly appreciated. I wanted to give the prince banana, pro staff 95s and 6.1 95s playtests when they come out, but I thought your insight and experience is always spot on IMO.
When you say the 6.1 95s is more direct and allows you to react quicker than the PS 95s, is that primarily a 'feel' thing or do you really experience a lag with the PS? Also, is this based on stock setups for both sticks, or did you lead them up to similar specs?
Your feedback is much appreciated!
It is based on stock set ups. If you hit them side by side, you can feel the flex of the Pro Staff much more. Compared to the Six.One, it felt like I was waiting for the head of the racquet to catch up. In other words, I got the feel that while the Pro Staff was still flexing, the Six.One already had dispatched the ball to my intended target.
Obviously the response time is not that dramatic in its difference, but that is the easiest way for me to describe the difference in feel between the two.
Hitting with the Six.One 95s I was just so impressed by how responsive and direct it felt. I really felt like I could snap the ball away to my targets with pace and spin. With the Pro Staff I had to work a little harder for a similar result.
On the touch front the Pro Staff is money. It offers a really smooth and plush feel.
Hope that helps,
Thanks so much, Chris, that's very helpful.
There is currently some discussion on exactly this in the Racquets section, and the consensus appears to be that adding some lead between 10 and 2 helps to 'stiffen up' the upper hoop (could be it just helps the racquet to win the collision with the ball). One could add about 4g to the PS to get the same SW as the 6.1, do you think this could help to get it closer in terms of responsiveness?
On another note, you pioneered the use of sub40 tensions in full poly setups (for which I will be eternally grateful! ), and you have hit with all the spin effect rackets. Do sub40 tensions work in spin effect racquets as well, or do you need to string them tighter? If so, how does that affect the spin bonus of these racquets relative a regular frame strung in the sub40s?
I have hit the regular Pro Staff 95 with lead and it felt much better to me than stock. Both stability and plow through power were improved. I think both of those PS 95 racquets are prime for some customization.
I haven't hit any of the Spin racquets strung low yet, but I'm happy to try it out
I'd be very interested in hearing your experiences with the Spin racquets strung low, and so would a couple of other guys on these boards, I'm sure...
One last question and then I'll let you go... Did you notice a big difference in spin between the 16x15 pattern of the PS and the 18x16 of the six.one (or the Blade)? It would be really interesting to see how the different spin patterns respond to low tensions...
I will hit them both at low tensions and report back. Hopefully I can start next week, but I have a bunch of racquet and string testing to get in, too!
I like the Six.One 95S 18 mains as it is not as much of a difference as the more open patterns. On the plus side, some of the liveliness and some of the loopiness is tempered by the softer response of the PS 95S. Because of that the difference is far less than say the Six.One 95S and Steam 99S.
Did you customize the 6.1 95S?
How did you do it?
How does it play customized?
Does adding weight affect the spin?
I have one customized and hitting some stock ones too.
I added lead under the leather as well to make the racquet nice and had light while adding some weight. I used a TW leather grip. At the tip I added about 8 inches of 1/4 inch tape in total - 4 inches on each side. As mentioned earlier in this thread the spec is 12.3 ounces and 11 points head light strung with an overgrip and a dampener.
I like both stock and customized. The stock ones are very fast and easy to swing. I use them for string testing and hitting. The weighted up on offers better stability and plow through power.
The downside to adding weight is that it could potentially slow down your swing. To spin the ball fast, first you must swing fast. If you are looking for maximum spin, keeping the racquet stock may be the best way to go.
Another option would be to increase the weight and swingweight to the same as your 2010 Six.Ones and see how that feels. There's info in the TW University on how to measure swingweight, balance and where to add weight to get a desired spec. Alternatively we can match a desired spec for you for a fee.
Thanks for all the setup info Chris, where are you with a base string setup? I've only played with the Lux 4G at 54 and 51 to this point.
Chris, question about strings for the 6.1 95S:
Since it's a 18x16 pattern, do you still need a thicker poly in there, like you do for the 99s or can you get away with a normal setup, like 17g Cyclone or the Psycho hybrid 17g?
A hybrid wears quickly. I use a full bed of Cyclone 16 without issues. A 17 might just make it to being bagged out before breaking, but that depends on who you are hitting with and how aggressive the hitting is.
OK so it sounds like it wears out a little quicker than "normal" open pattern racquets, but not as quick as the "super open" one's like the 99s. Is that correct? Sounds like a hybrid of 16g poly with a 16g syngut cross might work for me, since i am not a string breaker.
Correct. I find string wear to be a little faster than say a 16/19 Six.One. Not so much of an issue for me since I prefer the deader response of thicker strings so tend to favor 16 and 15L.
Chris, any updates with your current modded 95s? How is the 12.3 ounces doing for you? Thanks
I have been hitting stock versions more since I have been doing a lot of string testing. I like to be able to compare strings using the same sticks and I only have one customized to 12.3oz right now. WHen time permits I'll get around to moving the weight around. I've been thinking about moving the weight to 10 & 2 instead of 12 but have not had the opportunity to try that set up yet.
Just wondering how you're progressing with string setups for the Six.One 95S. Did you try it with Tourna Black Zone and Ytex Quadro in the playtests of those strings. I'm looking for a string with better durability and a bit more comfort than Cyclone and was wondering if either of the aforementioned strings would fit the bill. Thanks in advance.
I tested the Quadro Twist mostly the Volkl Organix 8 Super G 300. I loved that string in that racquet. Fantastic spin, control and feel. I was able to find lasting playability with Quadro Twist in that racquet. It is one of the longer lasting polys I've tried.
Black Zone lasted a little over 2-weeks for me in the Six.One 95S. Into the third week the playability dropped off and after that I cut it out.
Since I'm constantly testing different strings it is rare that I keep one set in my racquet longer than a 3 weeks.
Thanks Chris. I'm going to give Black Zone a try. I enjoyed BHBR in my trusty NCode 6.1 16x19 and based on your review, I think Black Zone in the 95S will be pretty sweet. Please update us when you've tried Quadro Twist in the 95S.
I tried Quadro twist in my 95S. Didn't love it. It is super powerful and lively, and needs to be strung tight like 57lbs plus. I much prefer a slightly stiffer poly like RPM strung low, like 50lbs.
Have you ever gotten round to try the 6.1 95s and the PS 95s at low tensions? I'm sure a lot of folks on here would be very interested in that and it could learn us some more about the various factors influencing string snapback and spin...
I have not tried it. I have been so busy racquet and string testing it has been almost impossible to find the time to experiment. However, we do have a couple of oddball experiments cooking behind the scenes and I'll try to get some low tension 95S hitting in the mix.
How does the six one S compare to the prestige pro. Since the prestige pro has 16 mains, does the six one S produce more spin if compared side by side?
The Wilson Six.One 95 S produces more spin compared to the Prestige Pro.
That would be great, thanks!
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