Wilson 95S question for Chris

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  1. TW Staff

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    Freshly strung at 32lbs with Solinco Tour Bite 1.35. Hitting the court later today.

    Stay tuned!
    Chris, TW
     
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    Fantastic, I'm really curious as to how this will work out!
     
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    Just got off court.

    First thing I noticed was I can hit a much heavier ball. I was not getting any noticeable added height either through the air or off the bounce -- which was counter to our expectations. However, the ball moves through the court exceptionally well and doesn't sit up like it sometimes can with a Spin Effect racquet.

    My favorite shot was my backhand slice (I know, big surprise!). I could get the ball to skid impossibly low off the bounce. I felt very confident taking a huge cut at slice backhands and could control depth and direction very well. I was having way, way too much fun with that shot. The potential for heavily backspinning drop shots was pretty ridiculous.

    The racquet felt great at net. The sweetspot felt huge and I enjoyed the softer feel of the stringbed at net. Hitting deep volleys was effortless, yet I could still cup under the ball and feather a dropper. I was very surprised at the high level of touch.

    Another plus was more pace -- especially on defense. One of the things I like about this racquet is my ability to go from defense to offense with one swing. The low tension just made it even better. When I had time to set up I could drive the ball with more pace and weight. The result was very similar to that of hitting through the ball with a heavier racquet.

    Towards the end of the hit I was starting to notice some vibration. At low tensions the frame and string vibration can start to feel like they are amplifying each other rather than canceling each other out. It felt like I was starting to get close to that at the end of my hit. I wouldn't say it was uncomfortable, but I was starting to notice it whereas I felt nothing like that at the start of the hit.

    Another downside -- adjusting strings. I'm thinking this tension was too low to get maximum snapback. Next up will be a hit at 40lbs.

    So far I'm really pleased with how the racquet played. I had feared the response would become loopy and lack depth control, but that was not an issue at all. Hopefully the move towards 40lbs fixes the few minor issues.

    Cheers,
    Chris, TW
     
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  4. Jay2014

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    Hi Chris, any further reports about what string setup you have settled on for the 95s? Also where did you end up with regards lead? Finally, apart from the obvious weight difference what did you feel were the major differences between the 95 16x18 and the 95s? Thanks for all the feedback!
     
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    One thing to be cognizant of when weighting up the Six.One 95S is that weight is likely to add depth to your shots. The 18x16 string pattern is decently lively so shots travel deep into the court -- fortunately the spin brings them in. With too much weight I found that to override the amount of spin I was getting and I started to miss deep more often. Obviously that will vary player by player and how much spin he/she generates to counter the depth from the weight.

    The Six.One 95 16x18 is also a great stick. I have been thoroughly impressed by the entire Six.One line up and think all are solid updates. If I used the previous version updating would be a no brainer especially considering the price. The spin is solid and very predicable. It does not offer the crazy spin of the S, but it is impressive nonetheless. The feel is solid and comfortable and I find it to offer noticeably more comfort compared to the 95S. It also feels absolutely rock solid at net. Just a great racquet to volley with.

    Cheers,
    Chris, TW
     
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  6. veecee

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    Hi Chris. Have you managed to try the racquet again at 40lbs? How did it compare to 32lbs?
     
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    Apologies if hijacking a thread but if anyone is looking for more info on 16x18 vs 95s differences, I can add personal opinion. TW reviews are pretty spot on I found though, except for a different opinion on serves.
    The 95S is noticeably lighter on holding but doesnt feel as light as the specs suggest on swinging.
    Ive played a couple of hours with both. Obviously the opinions are personal and will differ for people used to different racquets (doi previous used APD 2013)

    Serves: for me 95s definitely wins here. The added weight of the 6.1 really slowed up my swing I was struggling both for power, placement and any decent spin. Even with the 95s wasnt hitting the bombs I was used to with the APD but placement and spin really made up for that and had a lot more variation.
    Groundstrokes: 95s has the edge here overall. 6.1 slightly more stable and could punch back heavy balls easily with the extra weight but for steady depth and the ability to create angles, approach shots, the 95s gave me more options. I also noted towards the end of the hit, as I started to tire or got lazy, the 6.1 was more unforgiving and really punished me if I was late/poorly positioned. Slice with the 95 is also AMAZING - surprised me this given it is lighter but gives amazing ability to put it exactly where you want.
    Volleys: both great but 95s just bit more manouvreable. APD feels like a block of wood at the net next to these two.
    Returns: this is where 6.1 really excels - punching back strong first serves. The extra weight forces you to optimise a short take back as well.

    Overall, Im going to plump for the 95s (probably significantly subconsciously influenced by Chris!). It just gives me a few more options, and the loss of impact of serve with the 6.1 really affected my ability to hold serves. Of course I could hit the gym a bit more so I could cope with the extra weight ;-)
    Im going to try adding a bit of weight to the stock 95s to help with those big service returns - not sure if 3/9 or 12 would be better but will try both. In truth, my ideal racket is probably in between these two rackets but easier to add to a lighter racket

    Hope the above helps for anyone and thanks again to Chris and team for great reviews
     
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    Great review. I've bought 3 off of a one day demo and what you guys have said here. Anyone recommend me a string for a 4.0 hard hitter, playing 15hrs a week?
     
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    DanFuller,

    Our playtesters like Volkl Cyclone, Polyfibre TCS and Tourna Poly Big Hitter Black 7 as some options.

    Brittany, TW
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Hey Chris, thanks so much for finding the time to test this out. Your experiences with low tensions in this spin effect frame sound very similar to my own when going down on my regular 4D200Ts. Now, from a snapback point of view it is conceivable that the difference between a spin effect pattern and a regular pattern in an otherwise similar frame might become less as both are strung at lower tensions. Is this something you observed, or did you still notice a appriable difference between the 95s at this low tension and a regular 16x18 at similarly low tensions? This could shed some light on the factors affecting snapback.
     
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    I have not. I just got back from a couple of weeks away so have not had the chance yet.

    Chris, TW
     
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    With the Spin Effect pattern I could feel the strings moving even more. However, at 35lbs it did not feel like they were getting the chance to snap back. The result was enhanced ball pocketing, but I hope there is going to be a better sense of snap back when I try 40lbs.

    Cheers,
    Chris, TW.
     
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    I got out and hit with the Six.One 95S at 40lbs today. The result was a definite improvement. I had the same sense of almost the entire stringbed being the sweetspot, yet this time I had more feel for the ball. I also got a sense the string was snapping back better. I was getting some nice pace and spin on my forehands down the line. I was also loving how heavily I could hit my backhand slice.

    While I had a jump in spin at both tensions, I didn't feel the difference was as noticeable as the low tension experiment with the PB 10 Mid. I think the fact the Six.One 95S is an incredibly spin-friendly racquet even at regular tensions is the difference -- I think I'm maxing my personal ability to generate spin with my stroke style.

    Now I'll see how the racquet holds up over several hits. I'm interested to see if issues related to tension drop are exacerbated in a spin racquet strung at low tensions.

    Cheers,
    Chris, TW
     
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    Thanks for the update Chris - very much appreciated!

    I currently have my racquet strung with Tourna Black Zone at 57lbs. Even at that tension, it can still be a bit too poppy at times. But instead of raising the tension further, I'm considering going low, maybe around 40lbs. Do you think that's a good starting point for a soft string like the Black Zone?
     
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    I'm very interested in this as well, as I have several spin pattern rackets strung in the mid to high 50s, and I also feel they are too erratic and powerful at times. Will a low tension (40) give me more control?
     
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    I was worried that control would worsen at low tensions in a spin racquet, but have not found that to be the case. The more open patterns can launch the ball on a flatter swing at regular tensions and that still holds true at lower tensions. However, the sweetspot size is much greater, the racquet feels more forgiving and there's a lot of spin to be had at around the 40lbs range.

    Does a low tension solve the launch issue, no, but it doesn't make it worse for me and it does add some nice additional benefits. Your mileage may vary depending on your stroke style, but it's well worth a try in my opinion.

    Cheers,
    Chris, TW
     
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  18. veecee

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    Thanks Chris. I will give it a go!
     
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    Chris,
    have you tried higher tension, i.e. 60+ on these types of spin racket (ps 95s, tour 98 esp, aso)?

    If so, what are the benifits? Can you still access the spin advantage, but regain control of the frame?

    Thanks!
     
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    I hit higher tensions in the Prince Warrior ESP and it helped me to control the depth (62lbs, I think?). The upside was that the open spin pattern also kept the response feeling comfortable. Other tricks I have found to work include going with either a thicker gauge poly, a very low powered poly or a combo of both.

    With the Warrior ESP I was still able to get lots of spin at higher tensions. The power level was lower, but that was kinda the point going in.

    The highest I have strung the Six.One 95S so far is 57lbs and I was very happy with the blend of power and control at that tension.

    Cheers,
    Chris, TW
     
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    Thanks, I'll give higher tension a try when I restring my Princes.

    I used to own the Warrior 100 ESP strung with beast xp 16 @60 lbs, and I think that frame was too powerful/hard to control. In such a frame, would a thicker gauge poly (15 or 15l) with a somewhat higher tension (62-65lbs) make a noticeable difference in your experience/opinion?
     
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    Yes. The thicker gauge and the higher tension will both help deaden the stringbed. You should feel less launch off the racquet face and better depth control from the spin string pattern. If at that point things are still too lively, you are likely at the point of realization that the racquet is not the one for you :)

    Cheers,
    Chris, TW
     
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    Great, thanks Chris!
     
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