Wilson Blade 98s 18x16

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  1. Totoro

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    There's a demo/play day from 12-2pm at Edgewater Park (Saturday, July 13th)
    If you'd like to try it out!



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  3. Yaz

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    The Edgewater Park in Foster City?
     
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  4. Totoro

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    Yes it is. Foster City, CA. Is that you Yazu? This is Regan
     
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  5. JackB1

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    I don't understand an 18x16 pattern???
    Is that more open than 16x19? Its 3 less crosses,
    but 2 MORE mains. I dont get it :)
     
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    Nope not Yasu, but I know him
     
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  7. esgee48

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    Fewer crosses may be to let the mains move and snap back more (if you believe TWU.)

    Blades had 18 mains before the advent of the 2nd model with 16 mains. :twisted:
     
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  8. zapvor

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    yea its wilsons own research results
     
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  9. Doctor of Tennis

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    is this the successor to the Steam 99S/105S?

    When and where can we actually get one?
     
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  10. zapvor

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    no its the newest to the blade collection. i believe someone said 4Q 2013
     
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    My god. Give me that racquet.
     
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    It's ten grams lighter than a normal Blade.
     
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  13. Devilito

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    waiting on the Prince. Was hyped about 16x15 or 16x16... 18x16, not so much
     
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  14. ChicagoJack

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    Kewl ....

    This is the racquet I was day dreaming about a year and a half ago, way back in Jan of 2012. Many months before the 16x15 99s was released. It seemed like a crazy out of the box idea at the time and, and I had to explain the concept at length:

     
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  15. Bartelby

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    If it's the fewer crosses that are the benefit, then 18x16 seems a good way to go.
     
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  16. Doctor of Tennis

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    If this racquet has the crazy amount of spin like the current 99S/105S it would awesome!

    Can't wait to get my hands on it!
     
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  17. ChicagoJack

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    I see the mass and balance specs in the throat, anybody has swingweight and flex?
     
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    so jack......do you work for wilson;)
     
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    and wilson ripspin is a new string?
     
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  20. ChicagoJack

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    Nah, but being that Chicago is the corporate HQ, I know lots of guys who do. But I do wish I had put a patent on that idea... ha ha
     
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  21. zapvor

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    thats what i figured.......so what else have you 'accidently' seen;)
     
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  22. Totoro

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    I wish i knew the swingweight and the flex too. It felt heavy for the 10.4 weight. Most of that weight in the head, but the plow was good which i liked. It also felt a little stiff, but i could've been the 15ga ripspin in it. Also it could be the pattern as the Steam 99s stiffness of 73 didn't feel as jarring and this blade.
     
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  23. bertrevert

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    Classic tweener thing is to lighten the overall weight but balance is even.

    Or slightly head heavy.

    What is 15 gauge Wilson ripspin? Poly or not?

    So this spin fx in a more accurate 98 head felt better than the Steam?

    cheers
     
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    It might be slightly more demanding than your average tweener since it didn't feel too mobile.

    Here's more on the poly
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    ^^^^^^^
    you sure this isn't just a repackaged 4G?
     
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  26. JackB1

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    can't imagine it will.....smaller head and more strings = smaller drill pattern = less spin.
     
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  27. Bartelby

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    Wilson, Prince but who else will get on the fewer crosses bandwagon?
     
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    Dunlop.

    Well, I have a 16X10 Dunlop 200G XL, but that is because I strung it that way. Crazy spin, lousy control, I only use it for fun.

    I wonder how a flexible version of a 99S would work. I tried the 99S for about 15 minutes, and it didn't feel as stiff as its spec of 69, but I'd still like to try something with reduced crosses and an RDC below 62.
     
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    Babolat is introducing a new line to replace the aerostorm between the storm and drive line, so there is room there!
     
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  30. bertrevert

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    Absolutely the Steam felt a lot softer than its stiffness rating, and on that score was just fine. It was all stringbed softness though so you didn't get any flex somewhere specific such as throat etc.

    The KBlade (not the KBlade 96) was fairly stiff (tho the nBlade was pretty darn flexy in the throat) and what it looked like in the photos was that they've upped the beam width.

    So I imagine it will be all that stringbed flex that is easy on the elbow, certainly that, because the beam just looks wider and probably stiffer therefore.
     
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  31. bertrevert

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    Yep that looks interesting, several gauges - and there's definitely the 15 gauge there for the Spin FX racquets.

    Interesting to see that on this one they recommend on the throat 3 ranges of strings - for Spin, Durability, or Feel.

    With the 4G listed as durability the other strings may not have a hope in hell of that. The 4G was still pretty tuff on a sore elbow though.

    Btw, all this seems a real def move away from lead weighting and balance (eg. our own lead or say that Donnay system of coloured lead inserts), it's more here's the racq just go fine tune it with strings...
     
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  32. bertrevert

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    Seems to be no other hoop changes would that be true to say?

    ie - no shape change, no beam profile change, no yoke narrowing/widening etc? Looks like just overwhelmingly the same but just... lighter overall

    Its 10.4 unstrung is a lot closer to the 10.5 of BLX Pro Open I use and as such should be a manouverable stick, or a little lead can go under the buttcap.
     
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  33. bigdaddy

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    Looks a little thicker.
     
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    Can't wait until 12x14 pattern is released!
     
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    Is that Aaron Hernandez ?
     
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  36. mmk

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    No ink, no gun, so no
     
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  37. Ross K

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    Oh no, this looks rather tempting...:)
     
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  38. baseline_monster

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    Why take the weight down? They should have released it at around the 315g weight.
     
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  39. Lukhas

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    More weight=more power. More open pattern=more power too. And you have to keep the balance as it is for the "Blade feel". This said, I have a partner around my age who still rocks his scrapped and used up KBlades 98 to the graphite (just changed his bumper though). Their weight is nothing like my AmpliFeel Blades 98 18*20. He's like in the 330's strung thanks to a leather grip and beefed up buttcap. The frame itself feels more "full" too in hands. BLX Blades were already slightly lighter than the K-Factor ones, and around the same weight as the AmpliFeel ones. He's craving to find some more KBlades... :lol: He hasn't tested mines though.
     
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  40. M J

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    Would love to see a box beam Wilson in a 16 x 14. The Steam and the Blade have a similar frame shape that doesn't not really appeal to me, but I have to use the 99s anyway because I am addicted to the spin.
     
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  42. bertrevert

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    Heh, this is indeed racketaholic stuff...

    Ostensibly same frame (as yr using now?) albeit drilled differently promising diff shots, diff responses, diff way to win. Best player at our club is on the Blade 18x20 and does very nicely with it too.

    I always found the Blades lower powered easily brought alive by diff strings and enlarging the reasonable sweetspot - just never a spin machine at all (and too exacting during comp for me).

    Can any racquet be said to lend itself to "swing flat"... if so then the Blade to me lent itself to a flatter shot, the thinner beam to a fuller stroke, offering good touch at net. It's arguable that these characteristics deserve the Spin treatment. I'd have thought the Juice would be the next one to get it.

    I guess with the aim of augmenting their lines that's waht the application of SpinFX does here.

    Gonna be interesting....
     
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  43. Ross K

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    Really agree with a lot of this. Unfortunately forced to give mine the heave ho due to aforesaid 'too exacting' performance but still love them all the same. Anyway, yes, interesting development with the 18/16.
     
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  44. Ramon

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    I wonder if you're supposed to string the crosses tighter than the mains with this pattern. I would think that the head would flatten if you didn't.
     
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    Why crosses tighter?

    Deformation of the hoop would simply lead it to fail (collapse).

    I don't string myself so I don't understand. With these spinfx racqs the spin is from snapback of the mains. Wouldn't that be the tension you tune? Why worry about the crosses?
     
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  46. Ramon

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    More mains than cross strings means most of the force is in the direction of flattening the racquet head. It's ok to have a few more crosses than mains because cross strings are much looser than mains when strung at the same tension due to the weave and the friction from the mains.
     
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  47. spinovic

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    I hope to try some of the Wilson Spin sticks someday.
     
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  48. corners

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    They re-engineered the hoop of the Steams to prevent distortion. I'm sure they've done the same with this 18x16 Blade.
     
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    I had the privilege of stringing and hitting with two 98S frames earlier this week - one strung with full Ripspin and the other with Wilson Natural 16 mains and Ripspin crosses. Both were strung at 60 pounds (my rep is using them to show at demo events, and was afraid to let me string them too low). I'm 99% sure this is going to be my new frame for quite some time (currently using the Blade 98 16x19). I hit with the frames for about 2 hours each.

    First, the feel of the string bed felt a lot like the 16x19 to me, which wasn't too surprising since it has almost the exact same number of strings - the mains and crosses are just reversed. I normally string my 98 16x19 at 49/46, but I've tried it at 60ish, so I did have something comparable to use as a reference. It definitely had more spin than the 16x19 though.

    The swingweight felt lower to me, but I tail-weight my 16x19, which does up the swingweight a bit. Hopefully I'll get to spend some more time with one this next week, and get to play around with the weight a bit. I'll also throw them on my swingweight machine to take some measurements.

    With the tighter strings it was hard to be sure, but it felt more flexible to me as well. Again, hopefully I'll get some more play time this week, and will be able to try some different string combinations and tensions.

    The new Ripspin string seems very promising. From what I have been told, it has a low friction material blended in to the material - it's not a coating, so it isn't going to wear off. I have my current frame strung with Wilson Natural/Ripspin, and after about 10 hours I'm not seeing any string movement. It's hard to tell if it has a low stiffness, or if the low friction is just giving it a longer dwell time - either way, I'm finding it very comfortable. I've only tested the white color, so I don't know how similar the black will feel.

    Overall I was very impressed with the new frame - and I am not a fan of the Steam 99S, not at all. Good control and feel, with added spin.
     
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    Nice one... Would you say it swung noticeably lighter and hit more powerfully?
     
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