Wilson Hits Homerun with Wilson Steam 99S (mini review)

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  1. sureshs

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    Too simplistic.

    Pros have said that it takes 1 set for them to adjust to Nadal's spin, and by that time it is over.
     
  2. LeeD

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    Nadal hits with more spin than any other player.
    Also, Nadal is known to warm up hitting normal topspin balls, then when the points start to count, he relies on his one of a kind heavy topspin loopers.
    You and I cannot hit anywhere near Nadalesque, and the slight increase in spin won't help much, against a PEER, not a low level hacker.
    The slight increase in spin starts from the first warmup ball, thru the warmup period, and stays with the match points. It doesn't take anyone by surprise, and they're used to the slight increase in spin from the beginning.
     
  3. MikeHitsHard93

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    I was watching a Vika vs. Serena match today...Serena's second serve had so much spin that you could actually hear it whizzing as it came at Vika. The camera angle was right behind vika, not a bad angle ;)

    I thought to myself... "I think Vika has an advantage because not only can she see the ball curving, but she can hear how much spin is on it. I definitely think there's a such thing as too much spin, and this is just a side thought I had today...
     
  4. LeeD

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    Not only hear the WHIZZ, but see an oval ball curving into the service court.
    That takes a solid stanced swing and to return, which Vika can certainly do.
    Serena serves like the shorter ATP men, and would beat all of them in handwrestling or real wrestling.
     
  5. Power Player

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    Handed my friend (ex top 50 FL USTA junior with really good spin - plays the wilson juice pro) the 105s tonight. He thought it had too much power, low control and was too light. I had no real issue with the balls he was hitting at me.

    On to the 99S.
     
  6. sureshs

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    But I have a feeling they would enjoy the real wrestling experience.
     
  7. Nostradamus

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    OK, if Wilson hit a homerun with 99S then what did Wilson hit with 105S ?
     
  8. Power Player

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    Maybe a home run for a newer player or a female player. And that is not a slight on anyone, it just is a very light stick with a ton of power.
     
  9. Nostradamus

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    If you love the new Blades from Wilson, then probably 105S is not for you. New blades are heavy with high swingweights. I wonder why Wilson decided to go that route with new blades ?
     
  10. Power Player

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    If you are not talking about the tour, it is the same as the prior release? :confused:

    It's a great spec for a baselining player that values control. Same weight as a tweener like the APDc or PD, but higher SW so the beam can be thinner and the frame can have some flex in it.

    My Blades weigh 329 with overgrip and dampener, so I don't consider them heavy personally.
     
  11. JackB1

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    Tried a demo today of the 99s and was only slightly impressed with it. It felt slightly more solid than my juice 100 but was very similar to that racket. The weight and sw were perfect for me, no need to add any lead.
    My demo was strong very high at 60 and that had a negative impact on my feelings towards it. It felt very stiff and boardy to me. Yes I did get slightly more spin but nothing really significant. I think some oversize racquets with open patterns have about the same drill pattern as the 99S does. I only got to hit a few serves with it and was able to hit some nice topspin kick serves. The two guys that work in the tennis shop said they tried the 99S and had trouble flattening out shots with it. I don't think this racket is going to be for everybody and I think once the initial excitement wears off a little it will slowdown in sales and hype. Yes it's a nice racket and a great tweeter and I might consider it once it comes out but it's nothing earth shattering or really game changing like I thought. I think if your game is hitting high loopy topspin from the baseline then this would probably work well for your game.
     
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    Wilson hits a homerun... So will you, provided that you take a big cut with this one.
    The frame might work for players whose strokes don't produce enough top spin,just hope doesn't end ruining their technique, definitely not for big hitters.
     
  13. Gemini

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    Where did you finally find a demo?
     
  14. bad_call

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    home run for sure...in baseball. :)
     
  15. thecrusher956

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    I really doubt this is going to take out the aeropro. Even for little kids, they need to be seeing a top player using it to even consider switching.
     
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    Don't forget guys that Wilson also has a 16x18 pattern for this racquet and the 105. That was the racquet I was probably going to start playing with while also trying the 16x15 pattern. I, too, was a little nervous about losing control with such an open pattern.

    If you like these specs in a racquet then the tighter pattern may be an option. I'm definitely going to try both along with the Blade 16x19.
     
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    I am a 4.0 on the verge if 4.5 and I love the 105 weight. Although I will say that I prefer a lighter frame for doubles play so it does not feel like I am whipping around a sledgehammer while on top of the net. So I look for upper 10s in weight and 3-8HL, so this one ended up fitting me well.

    Far far less power then the 100 Juice from last year and more stable and solid feel then the 100 Steam from last year.

    I will buy one of each and probably stick with the 99s for singles and 105s for doubles. When you hole those heads next to each other the size difference is really incredible minimal, but the beam is slightly thicker in the 105. However, it is still a smaller beam then my Yonex Ezone Xi100. Different sticks for different folks, but my hitting with the 105 was the best frame I have demo'd for my game in a few years, and the guy I have played with the most for the last 2 years highly agreed as he has seen my balls (he he) for quite a while as I have progressed with tennis.

    I think the 105 will be more popular with women and seniors due to the size and lighter weight.....but I would not expect any woman to drop their Juice for this Steam line......and there are tons of women around here with that Juice.
     
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    do you think the 105 is is more powerful than the Ezone xi100 ?
     
  20. jackcrawford

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    Good choice, glad you have found it. Noah (7.0 player, French Open winner) played the earlier version of this frame http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Volkl_Organix_3/descpageRCVOLKL-VORG3.html stock on the Senior tour for a year or so, played against much heavier hitters than you find at the park or CC. Just a personal quirk what weight you use, using a heavy frame doesn't automatically make you a hot shot or using a light frame indicate a beginner.
     
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    I find that it is roughly the same power as the Ezone Xi100, if anything a little less power. It does have more power then my RDIS 200 light though.
     
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    So I played three sets of doubles today with the 99s and I'm really starting to like it a lot. The funny thing is I'm just liking it because it's a good solid racket and it has perfect weight and sw for me. Not for all the extra spin it's supposed to be generating :). I am really impressed with how solid the racket feels overall it just performs well all over the court. Volleys, serves, groundstrokes and slices are all great. I am not finding the racket too powerful at all and it just seems to work very well for my game. To me it's just like a slightly improved juice 100. I think I just need to figure out now which model I'm going to go with, the S or just the 99 or possibly the 105. Does anyone know what the stiffness ratings are on these three models?
     
  23. TennisTodd

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    I wanted to preface my post by saying that although I read this forum regularly, I rarely post anything. After hitting with several Wilson frames yesterday I felt like I had to add to relay my experience.

    A little about my playing style and background:

    I am a 46-year-old 5.0 former D1 college tennis player and currently ranked #12 Nationally in my age group. My playing style is all court leaning toward aggressive baseliner with a semi-western forehand and one-handed backhand. I currently play with the Head Prestige Pro with poly/multi hybrid strings at 50 lbs. My rackets are customized to 345g.

    I hit with several of the new Wilson rackets yesterday for a couple of hours looking to add a little power to my game without sacrificing much control. I went into the hitting session with an open mind but leaning toward the blade (16x18 or 18x20). The blades felt very good, big improvement over the current models and I probably would have chosen the 16x18 had it not been for the 99S.

    I decided to hit the 105S and 99S after reading the hype just to see if I could tell a big difference in spin. The 105 felt OK but was too light and I struggled to rein the power in and control was an issue. The 99S was sublime!! Even though the weight was light (I currently modify all frames anyway) the control of the open sting pattern was hard to believe. All the rackets were strung with 4G at 56 lbs, but the string jobs were several weeks old. The 99S had more control than the 16x18 blade and felt on par to the 18x20 blade. The spin, while more than my normal stick, was not mind blowing; but the difference was the effort needed to impart the spin. My desired shot is a “heavy” ball 2-3 feet over the net that lands in the back third of the court and I only needed to use about 1/3 of the effort as I currently do with my Prestige. I have tried many rackets over the last couple of years including the APD and the 99S is far superior in spin production and control.

    The bottom line is the 99S will improve my game by allowing me to hit heavy deep balls with less effort than any other frame!

    Groundstrokes: Heavy, deep balls that penetrate the court and keep my opponent on the defensive. I didn’t experience any of the “ballooning” that others have described. Slices were deep and penetrating as well.

    Volleys: Biggest surprise to me were the volleys. Tons of control with ample power. Placement was within the same 6 inch target as my current stick.

    Serve: Another big surprise. I could flatten out my serve without losing much control. My kick serve was out of this world. I normally can hit a second serve that lands 5 feet high on the back fence; with the 99S it was 6-7 feet.

    Overall the 99S is a great stick and a “game changer” for those of you trying to take your game to the next level. As with any racket, your skill level and practice time will dictate your success.

    My Wilson rep told me that 2014 Wilson will bring this technology to the player sticks. I can’t wait for 2014 and will be getting my new rackets in several weeks to start customizing.

    Hope this helps some of you determine whether the hype is warranted or not, but for my vote it’s a no brainer!
     
  24. Federerkblade

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    TennisTodd Great review mate
     
  25. Ross K

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    Okay, it's official: I'm drooling. :) Seriously, this feedback is ticking a lot of my boxes. Can't wait to try it out.
     
  26. mad dog1

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    sounds like if you've got good technique. the 99S is for real. i've seen drakulie's video hitting w/ the reissued PS85 and he's got nice, long, smooth strokes. i'm sure TennisTodd as a former D1 player also has nice strokes.

    i can't wait to try the 99S now. :drooling impatiently:
     
  27. LeeD

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    Now we'er going a little far.....
    I tried that stick, and my second serves bounced 6' high at the baseline also, but my normal second serve takes 2 bounces to get there.
    My first serves with it were much more consistent, and knocked holes thru every opponent's strings.
    But best of all, my drop volleys were unreal with this racket, after I hit all winning volleys against my peers.
    Be serious. Oh, and my play improved to exactly where I was yesterday.:)
    Oh yes, I want ALL of you's to get this racket, so we will all keep the status quo.
     
  28. cork_screw

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    I gotta backup some of the criticism on the 105s. It mushy feel. And it had no focus and felt very flimsy. I did not enjoy it.
     
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    I think the 99S is the benchmark. I should not have even demoed the 105s, but I should have the 99s this week.
     
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    Maybe, 105's for weak old blind, injured players.
    99s for the rest.
     
  31. KoolTennisKid

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    oooooooooooo was thinking about getting myself a volkl but this sounds superb, a bit of lead tape here and there on this racket and this thing will no doubt be hitting some HEAVY BALLS!!!!
     
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    I think if you used IvanLendl's 1993 racket, and hit like him, you will be hitting heavy balls up to the 6.5 levels.
    Racket and strings DO make some differerence, but the player will always be 95% of the equation.
    Hit like JohanKriek with his old racket of 1981, and you will beat EVERY single player you will ever face.
     
  33. JackB1

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    Anyone know the stiffness ratings of the 99 and 99s?

    My demo weighed in at 330 grams with overgrip.
    The gripsize seems to be slightly larger on the 99s than on my Juice.
    Anyone know which grip they are using on the 99s?
     
  34. racertempo

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    Ha, great point.....I love the 105s even though many are hating on it.....for how I hit and my game it was amazing and better then my 2 Yonex current match frames. I still cannot decide if I will get 2 of the 105s frames or one of each :)
     
  35. tlm

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    A friend of mine demoed the 99s and like I suspected he said it was a rocket launcher.
     
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    Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
     
  37. drakulie

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    Thanks for your write up. Much appreciated. Glad to hear lots of posters from weekend warrior to advanced are enjoying this frame. I agree its a "game changer". :)


    Stiffness rating on my RDC came in at 69 (strung).
     
  38. Bartelby

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    You really can't compare a prestige pro to a steam as its apples and oranges.



     
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    actually, the highest recorded spin on a groundstroke was a Federer backhand slice, recorded at over over 5,300 RPMs. Yes, you read that correctly. Slice backhand.

    That said, on average, Nadal does hit with more spin. However, Federer and Nadal have both been recorded at over 4,500 RPM's on their forehands.
     
  40. tlm

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    Definitely a bad thing.
     
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    disagree....its about the same as a Pure Drive or Juice.
     
  42. tlm

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    Okay but I would classify both of those rackets as to powerful.
     
  43. bad_call

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    whoa!! need to demo this one since needing but 1/3 effort to hit same ball. :) but how long do strings hold up?
     
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    Agreed, but isn't this where the whole new world of poly strings is meant to step in - poly to tame the power with spin. Isn't the 4G string meant to do that? I mean does the 4G do that for this frame or not?

    I never got finesse out of a PD, but I used to use syngut! (And even then it gave me tendinitis issues that PD swirly frame was so stiff.)

    If it as a rocket launcher that lacks detailed feedback then it's less of an interesting frame for me but still want to demo...
     
  45. jackcrawford

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    So the Pure Drive is not too powerful for Roddick, but it is for you? You hit harder than he did in 2003:shock:
     
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    It matters how you hit. Also, the facts on Roddick are that after that magical year his strokes took a dive and he was over spinning his forehand bigtime.

    So that's probably not the best example to try and prove a point with.
     
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    Yeah, this pretty much tells us nothing at all. How was it strung, what kind of player is this friend? Without all of this info and specifics this means nothing. I found the 99s AND the 105s to have less power then the 100 Juice, and I had to hit it with a hybrid string job. With a full bed of poly the power will come down even more and control will go up, just the facts. I agree with the response to this yesterday about string making a huge difference here.
     
  48. nickarnold2000

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    Nice post. The key to using a "powerful" tweener is racket head speed and poly as a main(at least for me because I'm too cheap to use gut mains & poly crosses). A nice loose wrist and those heavy balls will come down. I also play at the 5.0 level and I've noticed more and more guys using tweeners.
    I'm looking forward to your future 99S posts. :)
     
  49. carlosoki

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    Which differences do you find between 99S and 105S. I would like to have 105S but it´s too light for me. I preffer heavier.

    (sorry for my bad english)
     
  50. tlm

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    Just because some pro players use a certain racket that does not mean it is right for a club player. Of course I don't hit harder than roddick does, which by the way has nothing to do with how much control a racket has.

    Obviously understanding the control level of rackets is over your head. Anybody that knows anything about tennis rackets would not classify a pure drive as an example of a control racket.
     

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