Wilson JUICE Best Tweener Ever Made

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  1. The Baseline

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    Just demoed the Wilson Juice tonight. WOW! What an unbelievable racket. Everything felt solid and powerful, almost too good to be true with this frame. I have babolat and dunlop tweeners, and let me tell you, this thing is simply amazing. The power that this racquet produces is better than the dunlop 4d 500 tour and the control is better than the Pure Drives. The feel is like a players racquet. This is the best tweener ever made, ive tried them all Head Extremes, Dunlop 500 tours, Pure Drives,Aero Drives, this is the best of the best.
     
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  2. ArliHawk

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    Okay, as someone curious about this, I may have to try this. Thinking about demoing it and the pure drive. So, how'd you get past the paint job?
     
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  3. Ashanti

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    yea i feel like if i were to get it id half to paint it another color myself anything would be better
     
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    And shipping is free on Juice demo's at TW. So apparently TW and/or Wilson are confident you'd love the Juice so much that you'd buy one. I'm tempted to try it just for fun.

    If it's truly a great stick, who really cares what it looks like?
     
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  5. ArliHawk

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    Flashy colors have never scared me. My favorite shorts are high energy Adidas Bermuda shorts.
     
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  6. duffguy808

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    Which version?
     
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    Youch - the 100 Juice has a stiffness of 72, and the 108 Juice has a stiffness of 70.

    My elbow says these are both too high to even contemplate.
     
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  8. Yourtenniscoach

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    Best tweener ever made: Pure Drive Team.
     
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  9. keithfival

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    Funny, I just hit with one tonight and didn't find anything I particularly liked about it. I also hit with a 2012 PD which I liked better in every way except that I would be scared about the stiffness. The PD felt rock solid and amazingly consistent, I was hitting all out right away with great control, every ball felt like it was dead in the sweetspot. The juice on the other hand, every ball felt different, one would fly to the fence, the next would stay low, I had no idea where the ball would go or where the sweetspot was. There really wasn't anything I liked about it. It could have been crappy syn gut strings but not nearly interested enough to bother finding out.

    Different strokes...
     
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  10. downs_chris

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    the juice 100 actually plays a lot softer than the stiffness says...
     
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  11. Blitzball

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    Are you talking about the Pro or 100?
     
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    I can also vouch for the Juice Pro I can serve bombs with it. This is a MUST demo, so i would take advantage of the free juice demos at TW.
     
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  13. Nostradamus

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    it is too slow at net,i have heard
     
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  14. tlm

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    I tried this racket and it was okay but nothing that special
     
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    The Juice Pro has me thinking about putting my APDGTs up for sale. Hits heavy balls without feeling heavy in the hand. Has a dense pattern that still generates wicked spin. Power when I need it, touch when I want it. It's an amazing frame.
     
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  16. tlm

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    This thread was discussing the juice, not the juice pro which is no tweener.
     
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  17. ArliHawk

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    Do we know whether he's talking about the Pro or the 100?
     
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  18. retlod

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    OP never clearly stated which variation he was talking about. And I'm curious as to why the Pro isn't considered a tweener. Head size? String pattern?
     
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  19. BC1

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    I'm willing to bet the strings had a lot to do with it. I first demoed one (the regular blx 100, not the pro) with wilson sensation strung low, and i didn't like anything about it. No feel, no control, balls flying. Three weeks later i try the same racquet freshly strung with a poly in it, and it was like a totally different racquet. Better in every way, consistent and controlled power. It never felt harsh or stiff and was very stable and predictable. Power seems a little better then the pd. The pd 2012 feels softer and more refined, and may have more feel, but that is subjective. They are both very good sticks, and i was shocked at how much i liked the Juice. As far as the pj goes, it grows on you, and after you hit with it a while and make some great shots it doesn't seem to matter. Like with many racquets, strings can make all the difference.
     
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  20. Jack Romeo

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    has anyone compared this racket to the head youtek ig extreme or any of the other editions of the extreme?
     
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  21. tlm

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    The pro is listed as 11.9 ounces which means that it will weigh over 12 ounces, i have never heard of a tweener that weighed 12 ounces or more.
     
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  22. iyudhi

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    I tried the Juice this past weekend at Indian Wells and it was pretty solid. Still like Steam much better though.

    Sorry noob question, but what does tweener means in this context?
     
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  23. keithfival

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    Probably so based on what other people are saying. Makes one wonder why they would string demos this way. I don't know how anyone could hit the one I hit with and think "well this sucks in every way but with some better strings it would be great!".
     
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    Agreed. I have found almost any racquet can be good if used with the right string set-up. It is amazing how important strings can be.

    However, Power Player brought up a good point that you need to beware of any racquet that needs poly to play well. That may or may not be the case with the Juice, I'm not sure.
     
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  25. athiker

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    Tried it as well recently and I feel it did play softer and more comfortable than specs would indicate. It felt pretty solid to me but I didn't find any immediate "wow" factor. Racquet was strung with full poly so was pretty spinny but I wasn't getting a lot of depth or feeling plow through or control.

    This was only a brief hit with a friend's racquet after playing a few hours with my racquet so YMMV. Several guys around here have recently switched to either the Juice or Steam and are really loving it. Haven't heard this much local talk about racquets since AeroPro a number of years back.
     
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  26. roundiesee

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    Have to say that I concur. My Juice 100 strung with a hybrid at 47lbs did not have any feel or control, but my friend's strung with full poly at 59lbs felt great, with fantastic power and control. I could not believe that string set up and tension could affect a racket that much!
     
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  27. BC1

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    How is your friends arm/elbow doing? During my three hour session with it and a very stiff poly strung at 60 it never felt harsh or necessarily stiff, and no vibrations. During play it was comfortable, however afterwards I felt a little tenderness with the elbow, so I was a little concerned. If I get the Juice I will definitely try a softer poly around 56 lbs.
     
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  28. Blitzball

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    Juice Pro is definitely a tweener. It's not a "player's" racquet because it's not difficult to swing (it's actually incredibly easy to swing), and is not estimated to weigh 12+oz since the strung weight is 11.9oz

    It really sucks with natural gut in the mains, just too lively. A full bed of tour bite and bam!
     
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  29. BC1

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    It may not be your typical players racquet, but anything over 11.5 wouldn't be considered a tweener either. In addition, its 96sq in head knocks it out of the tweener category. For what it's worth, TW refers to it as a players racquet and they suggest it for advance level 4.5+ and up. I also demoed and weighed the Juice pro, and with dampner and overgrip it was 12.01oz. However, with all of that said, I agree that it is relatively easy to swing, easy to play with and very forgiving.
     
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  30. The Baseline

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    I tried the non tour version the 100 square inch frame. Its a BEAST. The control really blows any other 100 square inch tweener out of the water. Like i said, im a big hitter and the JUICE control is amazing because of how solid the frame feels. It has less vibration than all of the other tweeners in the 100 square inch category, which can make serving with this thing almost like cheating. Its just amazing, another poster said it, theres a lot of buzz about this frame, and it is well garnered.
     
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  31. roundiesee

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    He seems fine. I did feel a slight pain in the arm after the match, but I was also trying some other rackets that evening (including a very stiff and heavy St Vincents strung with full poly! :) ) I think the racket is not harsh, especially when compared to others like the APDC and APDGT. But you are probably right in saying that the sensible tension should be around 56lbs and probably with a 17G string.
     
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    Haven't tried the juice 100 but I did experience the "wow" factor in the Juice Pro. It was hybrid'd with zo tour and nxt at 56lbs and it felt great. Sweet spot felt pretty large, had a ton of control, and had that extra pop on all strokes. What I really liked about it was that I was still able to get the ball deep on the defensive shots with relative ease and get myself out of trouble, especially on the run. If it was cheaper I'd switch in a heart beat from my leaded ag200's lol. Off the bat I did feel it was a little sluggish around the net but after spending a little longer warming up and practicing volleys I felt it was perfectly fine and capable. :)

    -Jon
     
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  33. itsEr

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    Tried the pro this week; not bad, I enjoyed the extra length, and while very solid, seemed way too stiff for me. Had trouble at the net, but then again, what extended length racquet doesn't give that? Nice all around, just didn't feel like it was the one for me. It didn't feel too heavy, though, which I liked. Pretty good placement on serves-groundstrokes, not so much. Was worth a demo!
     
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    Any racket that is listed at 11.9 ounces is going to weigh at least 12.1 ounces. Just the weight variance in different strings can put it over 12 ounces. Rarely if ever do rackets weigh less than the weight listed. Especially wilson rackets, then if you add an over wrap and dampener you now have a racket that weighs at least 12.4 ounces.

    I know because i have an accurate scale and have weighed many rackets they almost always weigh more than the listed weight. So even though this racket does have quite a bit of power it is hard to call a racket that weighs over 12 ounces a tweener.
     
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    I went on this Journey as you know and I just couldn't fault the PD 2012. It does everything well with that extra polish the Juice was lacking. Rpm in the Juice was Fun though. I think that the Juice does have just a Tad more power than the PD.
     
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  36. Stroke

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    The Kennex Ki15PSE(which is about a 102, not a 105 as listed) is more definately worth a comparative look in the this type of racquet.
     
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  37. BC1

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    Bump...
    Just picked up a juice at a good price. Figured it was worth it for an extended demo period. Any others have any good news to share about this racquet?
    i also need to string it, any recommendations? Thanks!
     
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    Haven't a lot of the Pro Staffs been coming in significantly underweight? Wilson seems to be the worst offender in this case.
     
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  39. tlm

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    How do you know this? Have you weighed some of the new wilsons? I have purchased and demoed a lot of rackets and yes rarely if ever do they come in lighter than their listed weights.
     
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    The racquet actually played not bad the first 20 minutes or so I hit with it. It was pretty stable and had some crisp feel. And then came this 1hbh shot which I hit late and outside sweetspot. My elbow immediately felt it. The racquet was strung with a multi and I dont have a sensitive elbow. I put it down and never picked it up again.
     
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  41. BC1

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    For what its worth, i weighed the wilson juice tonight and it is 10.7 oz. Unstrung. Seven point head light. First wilson EVER made to exact spec like it is supossed to be.
     
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  42. roundiesee

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    BC, I started a thread asking for string recommendations, mainly with the Juice in mind. A lot of useful advice here->
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=417848&highlight=tweeners
     
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  44. tlm

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    Well thats good but it was not lighter than the weight listed. Plus depending on the string you use and then if you add a dampener it will end up over the listed strung weight.
     
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  45. BC1

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    Oh i know, but i was just surprised it wasn't higher.
     
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    I note that the OP aside (with reports such as ^^^), this thread isn't actually crammed with people's posts agreeing with such enthusiastic sentiments. Any one else share Baseline's blown away thoughts on the Juice 100?
     
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    Its not bad. Its no blackdrive. It doesn't have the same refined feel. Its very crisp and has nice pop.

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  48. roundiesee

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    I'm coming from using the KPS88 as my main stick. The Juice does give me an edge on quick reaction volleys in doubles, and it's definitely easier on overheads. But compared to a traditional racket like the KPS, it is a bit lacking in feel.
    The strings I had at 47 lbs settled in after a period of play, so I am controlling the ball much better now. I will probably restring in about 2 weeks with full multi at 56lbs just to see the difference.
    I think the Juice is a decent stick and I shall continue to use it as my main racket in doubles. I did not feel that it was that harsh even though the stiffness index was quite high. Will update again once I restring.
     
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  49. royroy85

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    Guys, I think the head extreme IG pro is the most underrated tweener racket ou there. It has just enough power to be classified as a tweener. Top spin with full poly or hybrid is wow..

    Really think this will give the juice a run for its money...
     
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  50. tlm

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    Thats true but sometimes you do get lucky and actually get the right specs.
     
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