Wilson K frames in hand-watch out!

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  1. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I have both the K-90 and K-95 standard length.

    Review to follow!

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  2. psamp14

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    you've bought them already? or demo? anycase, i'm looking forward to your review

    also, what racquet do you currently use? and in your review mention if you would switch over to the k factor racquet, and which one, 90 or 95
     
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  3. BreakPoint

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    Craig!!!!!

    How in the world did you get them????? :confused:

    Please go out and play with them IMMEDIATELY and come back and post a full review within the next hour!!!!!! :mrgreen:

    Yes, I am indeed holding my breath until I see your review!!! ;)
     
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  4. str33t

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    post pics !!!!!! especially of the specs !!!!
     
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  5. TokyopunK

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    Is this guy serious!!!!!!!

    Please take excessive pictures too! I don't care about the review!
     
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  6. BreakPoint

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    So you don't care whatsoever what it plays like but only what it looks like? :confused:

    Do you always choose your tennis racquets by the prettiest paintjob on the racks? :rolleyes:
     
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  7. BreakPoint

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    We already know the specs. They are identical to that of the nSix-One Tour. The only difference will be in the way they play, not in the specs printed on the frame.
     
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  8. aznspongehead

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    Please show a full picture of it... please. I've only been able to piece together what it looks like from seperate pictures of the hoop and the throat, and I've never even seen what's on the handle (leather?). I'm talking about the tour.

    Oh and if you can compare how it playes to the ntour 90, that'd be great... I've been curious about this racket ever since I saw those two pictures from that chinese forum. How did you get them, anyways?
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    Haven't you guys already seen these pics that were posted by psp2 in that other thread last week? :confused:


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  10. psamp14

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    there is a full picture of k factor 90, and two of the 95s in one of the many k factor racquet threads on here

    the specs for the racquet are the exact same as the current ncode 90

    recommended tension is 50-60 lbs

    its 12.0 oz unstrung

    16 x 19 string pattern

    noticeably the length of the neck is longer, and the string pattern is wider, especially at the PWS part of the racquet (3 o'clock and 9 o'clock" positions)

    the racquet is the same, new pj, but will play differently...and it does come with a leather grip, and a black W dampener
     
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  11. aznspongehead

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    Wow thanks guys. Hey, that's no where near as bad looking as I thought it did, now that I've seen a full picture of it. Holy cheese, I want it!
     
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  12. Ash Doyle

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    I think the point the guy was trying to make was he wanted to see pictures as proof the guy actually had them and not just fooling everyone. I, for one, agree.
     
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  13. Zets147

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    Good move on Wilson for making the Tour's PJ Matte (or w/e how that is spelled)
    I think the glossy pjs would make the racquets look like those icky Babolats
     
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  14. SFrazeur

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    I would call Craig A. Clark a reliable source.

    CC, don't just hit and run, more information soon, please.
     
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  15. TokyopunK

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    I am in LOVE with those racquets! I think I am going to get one of each!!!!

    They look sooooooo awesome!!!! Who cares if I am horrible with them, my oppenents will just surrender because of the awesomeness.
     
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  16. psamp14

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    it hasnt even been 2 hrs since CC posted...he's probably out hitting with it right now...or today or soon..
     
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  17. aznspongehead

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    Yeah, if I were him I would probably stay out hitting until it gets dark... I wish I'm him right now.
     
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  18. textbook strokes

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    This is unbelievable! . Craig wrote the best ever and more accurate review of the ncode tour 90, far better than the TW's review, so if I had to choose someone's opinion about the Ks, I would choose his.
    We are anxiously waiting!:-D
     
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  19. BreakPoint

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    Then why would he not care at all about the review? :confused:

    Of course, Craig has them! Has Craig EVER lied or pulled out leg on this board?

    A lot of people on this board have already seen them in person, and several have already hit with them, so they are definitely already out there if you know the right people.
     
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  20. bcsax123

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    Wow those K frames are fugly.
     
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  21. tonysk83

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    What is the composition of these racquets? Hopefully the majority of it is graphite. I can wish for 80% graphite, 20% kevlar.
     
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  22. Hollywood

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    Regarding K factor vs older Ncode n6.1 tour

    I don't see any difference in the spec chart between the two racquets. Can anyone shed some light regarding the differences? I still don't know what the K stand for?
     
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  23. psamp14

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    its been said so many times already in the numerous threads all on the k factor

    all the specs are the same, the paintjob is different

    but the length of the neck of the k factor 90 is longer than the ncode 90

    there is also a new version of the k factor 95, which is 16 x 18 and 27.5 in long, instead of standard 27 in

    k factor 95 comes in 16 x 18, 16 x 18 with 27.5 in frame, and a 18 x 20

    so basically the difference is that the k factor 90 has wider string spacing, evident near the 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock positions...4 strings instead of 5 strings which the ncode 90 has

    so the racquet essentially will play differently

    also the new k factor is less stiff than the ncode 90

    i dont know what the K stands for...i didnt pay much attention to the large label in the center of the frame when i saw it
     
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  24. Duzza

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    Weird, I like the paintjob....
     
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  25. midsouth

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    I'm goin with bcsax123 on this one. Those are some seriously ugly frames!
     
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  26. stules

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    Hi guys
    I was just having a lesson in Chicago. I am using a couple of new (to me) racquets, and wanted the pro (matt) to have a hit with my new sticks. He gave me his to hit with.............
    Guess what? It was the new K series 90". Only got 10 minutes with it. Just some baseline rallies. I have used the Ncode 90 only breifly, so I cannot compare it much to the old model.
    He got from a friend at wilson, and said he would change over for tounaments if he can get another 2 of them.
    I agree with him as to it being quite flexible. Not sure of the RDC and won't even hazard a guess.
    I can say that it swings faily close to my SRD tour 90 for overall weight, swingwieght and flex.
    Only just looked it up here after the lesson. If I had known it was so rare, I would have asked for a precise review from the pro. Damn
    Regards Stuart
     
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  27. psamp14

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    lucky guy stules!

    now get a ncode 90 somehow and hit with that and then give us a review!
     
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  28. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Demos! I don't think you can get them until late January 07. But I have 'friends in low places' in the tennis world, if you know what I mean! ;)

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  29. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I have two hitting sessions on the books for tomorrow. Please do breath in AND out until then!!! :grin:

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  30. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I am going to take the photos tonight. I'll get it from every angle.

    I am VERY familiar with the n6.1 90 as I played it for two years. I will be glad to offer a compare/contrast in the (necessarily) mini-review.

    And as for how I got a hold of 'em............I have friends in low places in the tennis world.......like I said! ;)

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  31. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I hope that's a joke. Why, oh why on the Earth would I PRETEND to have these frames?

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  32. BounceHitBounceHit

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    BP-Thanks for the show of support. :)

    I am happy to take some photos. Posting them is the issue, since I'm not sure how to do that on this message board. If someone will please post instructions in this thread the images can be 'up' in the next hour or so.

    As for the review, I will do my best to give an accurate first impression. These are loaner frames from the Wilson rep, so I will play stock since I have to return them in a day or two. Customarily I like my sticks strung more tightly and with a different type of rope-these are both done mid-tension w/ Wilson Sensation.

    I can tell you guys that these specs of the ACTUAL frame:

    K90 12.5oz STRUNG, 8pts HL
    K95 12.3oz STRUNG, 8pts HL

    Best,

    Craig
     
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  33. BounceHitBounceHit

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    It does mention "Wilson Nanotechnology" on the side of the frame. Didn't see anything about the actual composition, but I may have missed it. CC
     
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  34. SFrazeur

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    Craig, could you make some measurements of the beam widths, seeing as Wilson likes to get a little creative with those numbers. The 6.1 90 has to be more than 17mm.
     
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  35. alan-n

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    My playing and backup racquets are the Tour 90 Original and 6.1 Tour 90. Both measure 17.5 mm on my digital calipers..... I'm willing to bet the frames are 17mm. the extra .5 mm comes from the primer/gloss/clear coat paints.
     
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  36. SFrazeur

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    Oh, that makes perfect sense, cannot beleive I did not think of that. Well, you learn something everyday.
     
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  37. patrick922

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    so where are the pics?
     
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  38. jjl

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    As said before, the specs are EXACTLY the same as the current nCode lineup...so other than the new paintjob, can't imagine why any current ncode player would pony up the dough for a K...doubt that the larger neck would make much of a difference...i do like the PJ though.
     
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  39. pham4313

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    paint job looks a bit like those technifibre....kinda bullish looking not as cool as the red ncode...
    compositionwise, either way kevlar + carbon or even ncoded is fine, the fact that the spacing 4 string spacing by pws is enough to make it feel different. NOt to mention some weight off the palette...maybe thats why a reduction is seen from 9 pts to 8 pts HL or static weight 12.6 to 12.5 oz compared to the ncode
     
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  40. SFrazeur

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    Image sharing sites such as Tinypic.com and Imageshack.us are relatively intuitive to use.

    To have the actual pictures show up on the forums, put the image link between the [​IMG] codes.

    [​IMG]

    If you do not want to bother with that, you email them to me and I'll do the dirty work for you.

    sfrazuer(at)yahoo.com
     
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    excerpt from wikipedia:

    "In Sheet metal engineering, the term k-factor has the following meaning:

    During bending the inner surface of the bend is subjected to compression while the outer surface is subjected to tension. However there is layer in between which is free from any forces and thus its length remains the same. This is called the neutral axis ( N.A ). The radius of this layer of metal is called the neutral bend arc radius ( NBAR )and is defined as the inside bend radius plus a percentage( K-factor ) of the metal thickness.

    NBAR = BR + (T * K-factor)

    The K-Factor ( K ) depends on the material, the type of bending operation (coining, air-bending), the ratio of the Bend Radius to the metal thickness ( R/T ) and is typically between 0.3 to 0.5. For most types of steels it is around 0.33 to 0.4."

    thought maybe that be the whole mystery behind the k*factor name. At least this makes more sense than potassium and what not.

    I've got to say, i hate the pj. i liked the look of clean simple lines, this just tries too hard. but if with those fed like specs i gotta try/have it.

    and to breakpoint do you know if that store in MV, is going to be demoing them? or if they even have them out for that matter?
     
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  42. OrangeOne

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    I'm confused. Isn't this the first time the world as a whole is being offered what I can only refer to as the "federer string spacing"?

    My understanding was that the only previous way to acquire this was via the japanese wilsons, but now it seems it's standard on the new k-90?

    Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong....
     
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  43. SFrazeur

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    As much as I like to correct people, I cannot, for you are correct sir! This is the first time for the Federer string spacing out side of the Japanese model.
     
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  44. OrangeOne

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    :). And good to know - because in that case at least there's one reason that the frame can indeed be expected to play differently to the current nSixOne. Maybe not a lot differently, but somewhat.

    On thinking - probably has the potential to make it a(n even) more challenging frame to use!
     
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  45. SFrazeur

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    I do wonder if that string spacing change has much to do with people stating that the new frame feels more flexible.
     
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  46. OrangeOne

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    Fair point... one would think it would make the stringbed feel a little softer, so yeah, your comments do make sense :)

    Given everyone else has commented on the graphics - I think they're awful. But, given I once showed my true colours (pun accidental but acknowledged ;)) in a thread polling about whether people care more about looks or playability., then I will be consistent and say that I couldn't care less about a racquet's appearance if it helps me play better.
     
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  47. SFrazeur

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    I do not care what the graphics are on a racquet, if I love a racquet, it could be be pink or toilette bowl blue for all I care.
     
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  48. OrangeOne

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    To quote me:

    For me? If I found a racquet that I played best with, I'd buy it. Even if it happened to have a double-throat bar and a massive wide beam with pink and purple edges and brown and green speckles and a flouro grip with a flashing neon butt-cap and the oversize prince holes and isometric shape and 'rainbow' strings and and ... I think if you've read this far then you'll know I voted that appearance doesn't matter at all to me! :wink:
     
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    Credibility-wise, it doesn't get better than Craig, y'all. As far as the availability of the K-factor before its official release, I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson had prototypes out there, at tennis academies and in the hands of Division I college players and coaches. Craig has connections... Give the man some time to test the frames, and you'll get a thorough, articulate review from someone who knows racquets and has the verbal tools to describe how they play.
     
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  50. superstition

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    So Wilson finally made a racquet with Federer's specs available? That makes a lot of sense. Hopefully, if this is the case, the marketing will take advantage of it.

    Cosmetically, they seem pretty loud. I don't see why Wilson doesn't release the Federer racquet in glossy black.
     
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