wilson kpro staff 88 FAKE!

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  1. betterthanfed

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    i recently got ahold of a fake kpro 88. it's a pretty good counterfeit but not a genuine wilson product. just thought i'd post up some details so you guys can spot the fakes if you ever encounter one. here it is:

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    looks pretty legit upon first glance. but after careful review, you can see that it's actually based on a recent pro staff 90. the head is slightly larger than the 88, the beam slightly wider, the narrow sides of the throat going into the grip are flat whereas the 88 has a bump on either side. another obvious giveaway is if the racket comes with anything other than a genuine wilson leather grip. it's the only grip the 88 ever came with.

    here you can see how the PWS slopes down gently into the inside of the frame. the 88 has much more squared off PWS:

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    here's another giveaway, the head guard comes down to a point at the end. on the 88 the head guard stops about an inch shorter and is squared off:

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    it's got a "wilson quality" hologram but it's not very clear. on the real ones it's easier to read the words "wilson quality." also in this picture you can see how close the words "[k]arophite black" are to the U shaped part of the throat. there should be a half inch gap between the words and the bottom of the throat. in fact, the entire bottom part of the paint job is slightly too high:

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  2. betterthanfed

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    reserved, more coming.
     
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    and speaking of paint job, there a few spots where it doesn't look perfect. sort of hard to see in this shot but the "pete sampras" signature is not completely opaque. the red and yellow stripes underneath are showing through the lettering. in this picture it's easiest to see the red stripe showing through the very beginning of the signature. and again note how close "[k]arophite black" is to the inside edge of the throat:

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    so then i took the handle apart a bit. firstly, the butt cap does not have the three letter factory stamp above the W. as well the butt cap itself is of a different design. it's slightly smaller, the sides under the grip are smooth instead of corrugated, and the staples are thin and lopsided. the original has thicker staples that are all horizontal.

    if you pull off the butt cap there should be a sticker that has a matching serial number to the hologram on the throat. this one has nothing. as well the bottom of the handle should have a black cap with two holes. as you can see this one is solid foam with no sticker:

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    didn't test the balance but the weight was actually within a few grams of the 88 specs. reason i bought this racket was because i tried out a friend's racket and really liked the feeling of it. when i got this one it was good but didn't quite give me the same feeling as hitting with my friend's. i thought it was just in my head until i started to look a little closer!
     
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  4. mykoh

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    good, informative post. hope you didn't shell out too much for that!
     
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  5. betterthanfed

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    more than i'm willing to admit! it was the first one i bought before i was too familiar with the racket. i've purchased a couple of used once since then and they have all the correct features of a genuine kps 88.
     
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  6. LanEvo

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    If you got it on the bay, you can file a dispute to get your money back.
     
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  7. betterthanfed

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    unfortunately, i bought it from a private party who claimed it was authentic. i emailed the guy a few times and he was insulted that i claimed he was selling fakes and went on with some crazy stories about different rackets coming from different chinese factories and how wilson made 4 or 5 versions of the 88...
     
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  8. TheOneHander

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    Wow. That's no fun. Another thing that I noticed (it may be my old eyes skimming over this too, but I digress) is that it doesn't have the little "bump" over the grip. My old KPS88 flared out right above the handle, and the fake most definitely doesn't have that.
     
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  9. paul_tennis

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    Also the registered Logo is incorrect.

    Photo from my genuine KPS88:
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  10. betterthanfed

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    ^ cheers! thanks for pointing out the extra detail. there are probably others as well. your picture also illustrates the difference in shape of the PWS.
     
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  11. OnyxZ28

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    Is there a bulge at the yoke of the racket?
     
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  12. betterthanfed

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    no, i was trying to describe that in my original post. the fake is flat on the transition from the bottom of the throat into the grip. the 88 has a bump(or bulge) on either side just above the grip. is that what you are referring to?
     
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  13. OnyxZ28

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    My bad, I'm still in a state of pre-coffee illiteracy, ha. You hit the nail on the head in your OP. Nice post!
     
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  14. betterthanfed

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    haha... better drink faster! or read slower, whatever. i might also post up some shots of an authentic 88 just for reference at some point.
     
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    Good pics, nice to see some folks here know how to use the macro setting on their camera!
     
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  16. The Meat

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    Yeah second pick was the give away, it's a real shame that the counterfeits have reached the PS 88.
     
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  17. betterthanfed

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    it seems weird that some one would put so much energy into counterfeiting a relatively obscure racket. didn't even really cross my mind when i bought it...
     
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  18. z34m40

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    Wilson KPro Staff 88 Fake !

    This is great info since I am in the market for 2 of the real thing !

    I have one of the fakes and it also closely resembles a BLX 6.1 Tour 90.

    Many thanks betterthanfed !
     
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  19. zapvor

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    good thread but even upon first glance you can see at the throat its not even close to being right
     
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  20. RNEast

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    It would be very interesting to be able to trace this racquet back to the factory that made it. I bet Wilson would be very interested.

    I still can't understand why a factory that has the tooling in place to make counterfeits wouldn't just go ahead and make their own line of legit racquets.
     
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  21. zapvor

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    you didnt think it through. because counterfeits are exactly for that reason-easy to sell. would you buy a doofamus racket? exactly.
     
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  22. Cavaleer

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    Good detective work! That' a decent looking fake. Ive come across a couple and there are usually defects in the paint job, the trademark, the red dot at the top inside of the frame and definitely when it makes contact with a tennis ball. NO way can that feel be duplicated by a fake. haha
     
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  23. martini1

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    Interesting that they make a fake that didn't have a big demand. The KPS88 has such high sw and static weight once it's in flash and blood it is very hard to fake.
     
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  24. betterthanfed

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    exactly. if i were to make a counterfeit racket it would be something that has more value or that is more popular. the 88 is an odd one.
     
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    Will these revelations make it harder for you owners of genuine 88s when you decide to sell yours? How much trust in this frame has been eroded now that this niche model - with a userbase generally limited to these forums - has the stench of fakeness?
     
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  27. PrinceMoron

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    Some early K88 fakes were just Kbades with a paintjob.

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  28. betterthanfed

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    thanks! i actually used your website to help identify some of the features on my fake. just wanted to post up my own thread to add more info so people can be more informed.
     
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  29. Cavaleer

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    Because it's disc'd they think people will buy it and not really care or notice. If they knew anything about this stick they'd know only serious players play with it and that the material is very unique.

    It's a stupid logic, agreed. I guess that's why they waste their time making fakes. lol Not the brightest bunch.
     
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  30. movdqa

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    I'd be pretty shocked if someone tried to make fakes of this racquet given how unpopular it was overall. I had five of them (three from TW and two from a very well-known board member here). I know that Wilson has made different models for different markets in the past and I think that making things in different factories can result in some cosmetic and even functional differences.

    I've seen reports on later Head Microgel Radicals feeling different from when they were in full production.

    One of the keys to buying used products is to ask for high resolution pictures. You may spot a difference in what you're expecting and what the seller is selling. It's a bit hard to imagine faking the weight on this one as the vast majority of players don't want something this heavy.
     
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  31. dr325i

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    that affustar person woke up from dead two years later. This is an old thread!
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    I'm not saying if your KPS88 is real or fake, but it's definitely not based on a ProStaff 90 as it's very obvious this is a different mold. Just look at the throat. The KPS88 has the same throat as on a PS 6.0 85/95 in which the two corners at the top of the "V" are flat and semi-circular in shape. On ALL the versions of the Tour 90s, the two corners are indented and have sharp triangular cut-outs. BTW, the head size of the KPS88 is actually 90 sq. in., just like the Tour 90s. Many others on this board have confirmed this.

    PS 6.0:

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  33. BreakPoint

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    Probably more likely the Tour 90 mold than a Blade mold because of the box beam and the two indented triangular cut-outs at the top of the "V" of the throat.
     
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    wouldn't it be easier to buy from someone you trust then trying to stay one step of the scammers?
     
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  35. Chotobaka

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    Jackpot! <10>
     
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  36. thatguymattin

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    You guys are making me want to open my tennis bag just to admire my K88's. xD
     
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  37. thatguymattin

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    Though, I would not mind having a K Blade painted with the K88 color scheme. One of the best paint jobs in my opinion.
     
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  38. affustar

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    Just bounced on this thread through google mate... glad everyone woke up :D


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    Here you go Fed...

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  40. affustar

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    Weight mentioned on the racquet

    12.3 oz / 349 gms
     
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  41. affustar

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    hope it is clear now...
     
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  42. PrinceMoron

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    Bit of a half way house, with the triangles the wrong shape and the box beam not square enough.
     
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  43. PrinceMoron

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    No no no no. What kind of joke is the bumper guard......? And what has happened to the frame just above the grip?

    Please.
     
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  44. PrinceMoron

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    That is just spurious. There is no Asian k88 and yours are just as meretricious as your reasoning. Looks good from a distance but you would not want to get within a mile.
     
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  45. PrinceMoron

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    No it is not. No, no no no.
     
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  46. affustar

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    I have verified it with Wilson Consumer Service by sending them the pictures of the racquet, hologram, code etc. They say the racquet is authentic. I have an email from them.

    Do you think Wilson is wrong in identifying what is genuine and what is fake ?
     
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  47. PrinceMoron

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    Wilson have apponted SIPI - Strategic Intellectual Property Information Private Limited - to monitor web sites and web auctions for counterfeit Wilson items.

    http://sipi-ip.com/

    Nice to know Amer Sports have time to confirm anything to private individuals.......

    How about a photo of the frame on some scales showing the weight? Or put it on a PTC.

    Seriously, if I wanted a racquet with a K90 bumper guard, I would have bought a K 90
     
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