Wilson ProStaff Original 85

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  1. NickJ

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    Hi, I've been given a ProStaff original by a friend who's young son was using to bat balls around his garden using it like a hockey-stick!!! Anyway, i told him my love of the 6.0 95's and he said he had one simialr i could have. His son will just have to find another toy.
    It's got a white buttcap with the letters ACO (?). No other markings or way of telling where this racquet is from.
    Any help please?
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  2. Hannah19

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    My quess is that the "O" is actually a "Q". I don't believe they used O's in the buttcap codes. These early codes can be pretty hard to see because they were not stamped very deep into the plastic. Look foor a tiny slash on the 5 o clock position in the O, making it a Q
    Is the code stamped underneath the "W"?
    Look for red primer underneath the black top coat.
    Does it have a bumperguard?
    Does it only have a black sticker on the inside of the shaft saying the grip size and tension recommendation?
    Nice leather Fairway grip made by Balmforth?
    Does it have Pro Staff only printed on the shaft (no 6.0)?
    If all of these things add up and the "O" is actually a "Q" you have hit the motherload: it's than a St Vincent. Without bumperguard it's an early model.
    Nice find.....in good condition it could be worth a couple of hundred dollars.
     
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  3. NickJ

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    Thanks Hannah, very helpful. i will check later when i get home and study the racquet. i can't post pics as it won't let me. I am happy to post to Facebook and let you look there. PM me your details if you want & I'll friend add you. Unless you can tell me how to post pics. I'm a rookie so do I have to post a certain amount of thinigs before I can upload??
     
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    Send me some pics directly : mozart19(at)ziggo.nl
     
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    Will do Hannah, thanks again. Maybe a few days as I'm not always at home to use the computer there and cant upload onto my work one.
    Ok, last night when I got home I got the ProStaff out of the bag to inspect, and . . . . I think you're right, if what you say to look for makes it a St Vincent, then it is one!
    After wiping away some muck from the buttcap I can defintely make out its code is ACQ, underneath the W. It does have red under the scratches on the frame. It does have a bumperguard. It has one black sticker on the neck showing grip size only, not tension recommendation.
    It was proably once a nive leather grip but its had some horrible grren thing wrapped over it for years and as it's been torn off (not by me) it's adhered itself to the leather. It only has ProStaff printed on the throat, no 6.0.
    I imagine once I replace the grip and try to tidy it up it'll be back to its best. In 2 minds as to whether to refurbish & sell or keep. Will defintely play with it as I've never had the chance to try one before.
     
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    And a bonus picture of my cat.
     
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    Cute cat!

    The stick is a St Vincent - NICE SCORE!! Looks in pretty good shape as well. I've got several StV's. My fave racquets ever and the ones I play best with

    Give it a whirl - you may be presently surprised!
     
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    Thanks VVerb, I'll pass on your comments to Jessie!

    Confirmed by Hannah19 it is a St Vincent. I've ordered a new Fairway leather grip and will clean up best i can, restring with some pure gut, not cat-gut . . . .
     
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    How in the world did you mistake the middle "N" for a "C"? That's the kicker!!!!
     
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  13. NickJ

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    Because i didnt have the racquet with me when typing the original post. i knew there wad what looked like a C, or an O. No harm done. code checked and its def a Q so a St Vincent!
     
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    What's the swingweight on the cat? :lol:
     
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  15. NickJ

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    Hang on, i'll just grab her . . .
     
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    Nice get! Strong recco natty gut at 60# hitting that stick on the sweet spot is the top sensation you will ever feel in tennis.... Tied for 1st with hitting a 200 g the same way!

    Enjoy your entry into a very elite club!
     
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  17. v-verb

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    LOL! definitely not cat-gut
     
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    LOL....You crack me up!!
     
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  19. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    LOL!!! Send it into Dunlop so they can develop their next aerodynamic bio-skin crap. I mean, cats can leap up to ~10x their body length, hella aerodynamic.
     
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    New 200g catnip injection ha ha
     
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  21. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Regardless of the swingweight, I bet the cat will be soft on the arm. Also, it'll meow for you to throw the opponent off. Word on the street is, Shriekapova and Choo-choo-train are looking into the species as they get older.
     
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  22. NickJ

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    What's a 'sweet spot'??;)
     
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    Too many rackets, so wouldn't have enough room to measure that :-? :lol:
     
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    Many of us collectors keep a kitty going for buying racquets without breaking the main household budget. Nick takes it to an entirely new level! :lol:
     
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    You guys are too funny. More kitty pics soon then . . . can't believe I can't type the word 'pu55y'. C'mon moderators, look at the context of the thread!
     
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    Has the reissue PS 85 hurt the resale value of the original SV as I have a couple of them in my collection? Thanks!
     
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  27. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    No, people still go ape **** for them.
     
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  28. v-verb

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    Well...I have gotten several StV's on TT for less than $150. A couple of years ago they were well over the $200 mark weren't they?

    Cheers
     
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    I've sold a few of them for the $100-130 range before shipping costs.
     
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  30. NickJ

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    My Racquet Vinnie. Now with a brand new Fairway grip! Trying to source a new bumperguard also.

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    ^^^Only jolly giant can produce any kind of pace with that racket.
     
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  32. NickJ

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    It's a good job I'm a virtual Colossus . . . . . not really, I'm average.
     
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    So, had my first hit with the 85 last night and . . . . it plays like an absolute dream. Gorgeous feel, and that's even with the current strings, cant wait until i put my own in. I didn't mis-hit any as i only had about 10mins with it as i already played a match with my 95. I generated as much power as I wanted/needed to, i didn't try and rip the cover off the ball but gave it enough of a hit to get some good length & speed. Leather grip felt lovely. It may even take over as my main stick, not bad for a frame that's proably 20+yrs old! you can shove your biomimetic, blx, youtek, graphene, woofer, kfctor, nocode and all the other gimmicky cr4p up your ar5e. Unnecessary, the lot of it.
     
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  34. v-verb

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    Well said NickJ!

    The best sticks bar none for me. Tons of power if you line up the shot correctly, and many mishits actually are playable.

    Serves are wonderful also with this stick
     
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    I've now acquired (through the magic of the bay) another 85. It must be a newer one, but a not recent re-issue as it has the white butt-cap red W,and not the gold/black one. But, the buttcap has no three letter code. It says Pro Staff 6.0 85 Midsize on the throat. Pics to follow shortly.
     
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  36. v-verb

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    Racquet looks GREAT! I've had a white butt 85 as well - very nice racquet as well but a little different playability as you'll find out. Not a lot but noticeable
     
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    Where did/do you get Fairway grips from? How much do they cost?
     
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    nice racquet and cat

    i've played with the 85, it's a great racquet, I really do believe it has something to do with the the idea that you have to actually watch the ball, smaller head size will do that for sure. I've had this racquet like 10 times and have had as many as 5 at one time, I now have 3 that will stay with me forever, always a challenge to pick it up ad just play but with time it's still the best. Fairway grips are expensive, on the bay it's like $22 for a single one.
     
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  39. NickJ

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    i got this Fairway off of the bay for £15. This particular one was advertised as sub-standard which is why it was £15, normally they're more. But upon checking it I can't see any blemishes/marks/scuffs. Balmforths quality control seems to be tighter than Wilsons! Just type in Fairway grip into the bay search bar and you should come across the ebbalmforth as a seller. good luck, let us all know how you get on.
     
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  40. uk_skippy

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    Help identifying this PS85 original.

    Hi guys

    just picked up a couple of Original Pro Staff 85's and need to know which version. I've looked on web and the ones I have seem to fall inbetween Chicago and early St Vincent. So here's a description:-

    Bumperless,
    No (R) mark next to 'W' on buttcap,
    Letters are HXB under 'W' on buttcap,
    Sticker in throat shows gripsize and tension of 55-65lbs,
    No hologram,
    Midsize on both sides of throat,
    Fairway grip,
    3 separate raised throat grommets,
    Red centre dot at 12 o'clock.

    Any help appreciated.
     
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  41. uk_skippy

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    Ok, managed to get a bit more info from this site (note - use search function more).

    Seems I have the Belguim produce PS85 made by Donnay, nice.

    Regards

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  42. NickJ

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    Sorry, I'm confused. So you've actually bought a Donnay? Made to look like an PS85??? Pics please!
     
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    Apparently, Donnay produced in their Belgian factories some PS85 for Wilson circa 1983. They still look like a PS85 but don't have a bumper, and the 3 letter code indicates that it was produce in Belgium.

    Regards

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  44. NickJ

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    I did not know that, thanks for the info!
     
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    Been playing with this fora few weeks now and it's just a dream, as I hoped. A young wannabe came up to me and asked 'how can you play with THAT?' I just looked at him, hit a 100+ serve and said, 'Hold racquet. Swing arm, Hit ball. Win point. Smile.'

    He walked off.
     
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    Nice report Nick! I'm addicted to mine.

    If you can find any really cheap, the PS Largehead and PS 125 are fun sticks - different for sure but fun. I broke out the 125 at mixed dubs last night and was hitting heavy winners and hard volleys. Serves were very spinny
     
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    Wilson does not want to be remembered that the first ever PS 85's were made in Couvin belgium by Donnay.
    Donnay and Wilson allready had a history together since Donnay made quit a few wooden frames for Wilson in the past.
    It is said that Wilson wanted to get the manufacturing process of the braided graphite with Kevlar finetuned before marketing their PS 85. Donnay was a bit of a test bed resulting in a lot of ill made rackets in the beginning.
    Later the process was adapted and the rackets became more and more reliable.
    All Belgium made PS 85 have a "B" in the buttcap code. (HNB, HVB etc)
    Later, Donnay used the PS 85 mould to produce the Pro Cynetic which was a braided graphite/kevlar mix too but without the PWS.
     
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    And these were the first frames (Pro Cynetic) used by a kid from Southern California named Peter Sampras, after he left the Juniors (where he played the Kneissl Aero 20 and had a two-handed backhand!).
     
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    All great info that's going into my PS original memory bank, thanks everyone. I now have another 85 from the bay but there is no butt-cap code, at all. Butt-Cap is white with a red W, I don't have the racquet with me right now to give any other info but can check later. Any ideas where it may be from?
     
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  50. v-verb

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    Post pics Nick?
     
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