Wilson PS85 discussion thread...

Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by VGP, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. richardc-s

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    After using the stick I agree. I had always used tweener frames, all Babolat's with 100 heads and around 300g's. By using the 85 for just 2 hours I could feel myself concentrating more and like you said going back to basics.
     
  2. Antónis

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    And work on your footwork, with a 6.0 85 you cannot be lazy, or else you'll shank big time

    I usually use mine on warm-up and first half-hour of practice, than I move to my 95, and they feel like a toy (it's a close to 350 g's stick, not light at all...)

    I can use it on matches too, if I'm facing an weaker guy, and/or a flat hitter, since I have trouble with Nadal like players

    On doubles it's a very good racket too, all that weight with head-light balance makes it a volley machine
     
  3. geca

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    discover the power of Eastern fh with this racket! played this way for an hour today against a flat hitter and the ps85 is the best tool in such scenario.... flat in, flat out.. E fh also encourages a more forward leaning spine angle that makes the ball even heavier... the poly string offers great spin, so there is not much upward brushing needed from the swing.
     
  4. Nole Ivanisevic

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    I don't own a PS85(played it often in my junior days),but a KFaktor 88 and two 6.1 95 Classics.It makes a lot of fun to play this style of game and to imitate groundstrokes like Edberg and Becker.In addition to this,I love the design and paintjob of all three(85,88,95)+the myth around the racquets.

    But: for competing against strong opponents,I am strongly against these sticks.Too heavy,unforgiving and demanding in the long run.Period.That's my honest opinion.
     
  5. Antónis

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    I can agree with you on the KPS, but not with the 6.1 Classic, this is still very popular racket among tour pros, they use it under Wilson's current paint job's, but underneath is 6.1 Classic

    The racket may not fit your style, and if you're not used to all that weight and mass it can be a pain in the a$%, but if control and feeling is what you seek on a racket, there's nothing better for competitive tennis against strong opponents

    I played with 6.1's too, with the Classic and the N-Coded version, still have 2 classics, an HPS and a 18x20 N-Code (great doubles stick), my problem with this PS line it's the sluggishness, it's an hard racket to move fast, that's one of the reasons I prefer the 6.0 over the 6.1
     
  6. richardc-s

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    I used the 85 for another hour today and I think it's now my racket of choice!

    Funnily enough I actually find I can hit harder ground strokes with this over my Babolat tweener. I think its because I can take a full cut at the ball without launching it into the fence. I also find myself hitting flatter with the 85, whilst with the Babolat my ground strokes have a lot more topspin. I think subconsciously I must be changing my swing path?

    Also just to touch on volleying... I always thought my volleying ability was middle of the road and by no means a strong suit. But now playing with the 85 I find my volleying has improved dramatically! The racket feels so sturdy and the accuracy is very good!
     
  7. coolschreiber

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    Mmmmmm the PS85, think I'll be gifting myself this s**y beast this Christmas :). Never have played with one. Can anyone compare it (the reissue ofcourse) to the IG Prestige mid briefly in all departments like spin, power, comfort etc. I string my IG mids at around 48/44 with Gut/poly.
     
  8. vsbabolat

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    There has been erroneous information floating around about the Pro Staff for the last decade or so saying the Pro Staff was released in 1983. That information is wrong. The Pro Staff came out in 1984.
    I found the proof that the Wilson Pro Staff line was released in 1984. In the March 1984 issue of the Stringer's Assistant (USRSA Magazine) they gave an update of all the new releases for 1984.
    WILSON has introduced a new series of high-performance frames, the Pro-Staff line - 50% Kevlar/50% braided graphite racquets designed for the intermedi- ate/advanced player. Each frame in the line is individually balanced and weighed, and labelled accordingly for the consumer. The frames come complete with thermal bag and set of Wil- son string; also with a Fairway grip.

    Wilson's Largehead (110 sq. in.) requires 16 M's & 19 X's; M's skip 7H and 9H, also 7T and 9T. No shared holes. 70-75 lbs. rec. tension. (36' string length required.)

    The Pro-Staff Mid (85 sq. in) re- quires 16 M's and ls-i's; M's skip 7H & 9H, also 7T & 9T. No shared holes. 65-70 lbs. rec. tension.



    Pro Staff Superlargehead (Pro Staff 125) is 125 sq. inches of play- ing surface and rec. tension is 75-80 lbs. 18 M's & 22 X's; M's skip 8H &

    10H, also skip 8T & 10T. No shared holes. (This stringing pattern leaves a 'gap' between the 1st & 2nd cross at the head and throat, which Wilson says is intentional.) The Superlarge- head also requires 42' feet of string, and Wilson recommends their Graphite synthetic string which comes in both 36 foot and 42 foot coils. (See info on under string on page 9.)
     
  9. Eddie Kao

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    solid [​IMG]
     
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  10. geca

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    the racket promotes a flatter plowing kind of swing path. brushing the ball is not its strong suit... this may have an advantage in certain 'deader' conditions, such as against the wind, or in the cold, as top spin doesn't work too well in heavy conditions.

    hitting 1hbh is an absolute joy with this racket, so easy to swing.

    the copolys actually makes this old stick very much legit today... stringing at 30lbs makes the sweetspot much bigger.
     
  11. geca

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    just got another SV and strung up at 10lbs, it plays similar to the 30lbs (this one has loosened to about low 20s i guess)... both sticks are playable from the baseline, with the bh side better than the fh side.. bh tops and slices are both very good.... the serve is where I struggle. coming from the powerful, lighter Extreme Pro 2.0, the PS85 produces little if I am not on my top form.... the volley is where it shines. the stability, manuverability of the frame plus the loose string makes the volley feel like catching the ball with a fishnet and placing it wherever you want.
     
  12. richardc-s

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    Funny that, I find I can hit harder flat serves with the PS85 over my Babolat Pure Aero. Although I can hit more vicious kick serves with my Babolat.

    I agree with volleying though, it's solid as a rock.
     
  13. mhkeuns

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    It is the only stick I feel comfortable volleying. I also love the fact the I can beat good players who are more accustomed to the tweeter frames. That said, I was blown off the court playing singles against a heavy hitter who put me on defense on almost all the shots. It was such a struggle just to keep up...

    Being frustrated (*and embarrassed), I pulled out the AI 98 just to change things around. That 13 extra sq. in. and extra free power made such a huge difference... I was able to play the attack game and hit winners.

    Hate to admit it, but when playing against a real high level player with heavy strokes, I need to pull out the APD or the AI 98... The PS85 will be my main stick for doubles, but in singles, I have to go for something lighter with extra sq. in.
     
  14. geca

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    in the northeast we have 4 seasons... in the summer it's better to play baseline bashing with a modern 100in frame.... balls fly higher, heavy spin kicks up more.

    once the temperature gets below 55F, the baseline game starts to lose the edge more and more... and if you play in 40+ F, the spin ball doesn't kick much anyway, a flat ball from the baseline becomes more effective... plus the dead conditions favor more the forecourt. in such conditions, I'd say the PS85 is a legit winter stick, plus the fall/spring shoulders.
     
  15. geca

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    just got a Taiwan version and hit a few... it's no compare to the SVs... it's hollow, not that solid feeling from the SVs. as a result the power is too low even when I have powercord17 on at 30lbs.. and if I put more lead tapes on the head the swing slows down.

    so... SV, there is no equal.
     
  16. garytan68

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    My opinion is that the graphite mellows with age and results in greater feel for the racquet in general.

    So natural a piece like the SV would older than the taiwans and would probably feel more "buttery" soft on a sweet spot him.

    My personal opinion is that there is not a significant difference in power between the 2. More lead on head, higher swingweight, better power.

    I had experimented quite extensively on the early Taiwan, late Taiwan, the more popular late SV for a couple of years till age caught up with me.

    Still have some SVs and Taiwans in various conditions in you guys have any interest. There is one piece 7.5 to 8/10 late version SV, I am willing to let go at a very reasonable price.

    Contact me at gary tan 68 @ hot mail.com if there is any interest.
     
  17. garytan68

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    Sorry, I meant naturally a piece of SV (being older than the taiwans) would feel more "buttery soft" on a good hit on the sweet spot.
     
  18. v-verb

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    I bought a few 85s from Gary. Still have them - great sticks!!!! And having tried most iterations of the PS85 I greatly prefer the StV.
     
  19. geca

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    in stock form the taiwan is hollow, literally... it measures a full 10 grams lighter than the SV stocks. I had to put much more lead tape on the taiwan to make it match the SVs... but the matched weight still cant fix the hollowness of the frame. the tw feels 'dead', while the SVs feel solid and lively.
     
  20. winchestervatennis

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    I picked up a prostaff today and interested in knowing what production ive got.

    Its got no bumpers. Red primer where there are scuffs (but its easily 9.0/10 condition). Say "midsize" on the outside of both sides of the throat. Inside of one throat has nothing the other has two stickers - one with weight and balance other with grip size and tension. Tension says 65-70. Three separate grommet pieces for the mains in the throat. Fairway leather grip. White buttcap with red w (no 'r'). Code below the w inscribed (not protruding) looks like "GOO."

    Any input from the experts out there is appreciated.
     
  21. v-verb

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    Congrats on your St Vincent Pro Staff. One of the finest racquets ever!
     
  22. winchestervatennis

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    I was cautiously optimistic. Just a question. Am i reading the code right or is it most likely a 'Q' that i cant see the tail?

    Believe it or not i rescued this badboy from a thrift shop today. It was hanging out with some beginner spaldings and racquetball sticks.
     
  23. v-verb

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    It's almost certainly a Q. That happens a lot with the StV's. I believe it but kick myself because I live in an area that doens't appreciate tennis so I never see stuff that nice in the thrift shops darnit.

    Congrats though! and 9/10? You can re-sell that for a pretty penny! But try it first.
     
  24. swizzy

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    prices on anything but the vincents are so low now.. shocking really.. the ps 90 and the 85's prices are in the basement.. all small classic frames have dropped sharply it seems in the last 2 years. head graphite edge for $5-10.. max 200g for under $40.. pro staffs for $50 and below i bought a mint condition kneissl for $7 8 prince racquets [2 borons] $65.. that was a freaky deal.. but it speaks to the depth that classic frames have fallen to.
     
  25. v-verb

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    I would love to get some Prince Borons for cheap!
     
  26. boinz

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    need help here please, i recently bought a old PS85 which is in need of new grommets. Does the older ones share the same drill pattern as these re-issues?
    I read about it before in one of the thread but cant find it anymore. anyone with information please help

    thanks
     
  27. v-verb

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    It depends on what version, but what I've read is that get some grommets and you may have to cut the strips to fit

    Congrats on the 85 - wonderful frames
     
  28. swizzy

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    picked up a very nice late model st. vincent with bag today for $10... the nice guy who sold it to me even met me halfway on the road. only goes to my point that deals are abundant lately on classic frames.. i think feds move to larger racquet has been the nail in the coffin of players racquets.
     

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