Wilson Six.One Team BLX - stringing to get power?

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  1. TripleB

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    I'm thinking of putting this racquet in as my 4th demo (along with PCG 100, 6.1 95S, and Rad Pro) due to the comfort, manueverability, and praise it get on volleys, but want to first make sure you can string this racquet to get some decent pop out of it.

    So, if you've played with the 6.1 Team BLX (2012 version), what string set up did you find work best with this racquet? And did you feel the power level of this racquet was adequate?

    Any other opinions you would like to give on the racquet would be greatly appreciated as well.

    Thanks!

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  2. SCRAP IRON

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    While I liked the racket, I just did not get enough power and it lacked some stability. I put on a leather grip and some lead tape and then it lost the maneuverability. I think that you should try the NEW 6.1 95s. The specs are ideal for what you may be trying to achieve. I believe they came out with this particular frame because the Team was to light and the regular version of the 6.1 was too heavy!
     
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  3. KYHacker

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    I have played with it strung at:

    55 with Sensation. Decent pop
    50 with Wilson Shock Shield Mono. Enormous pop. Too much for to control
    50 with Cyclone 17. Moderate controllable pop. Goldilocks.
    60 with Gamma Wearguard 15L. No pop.

    Bear in mind that I have a full swing and good racquet head speed. When my wife used the frame, Sensation at 53 would have been just about right for her.
     
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  4. TripleB

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    Thanks for the input. I have the 95S in my list of four demos to try. I know it's a 'spin' racquet the way it is but I wish they would have went with 16 mains...I just have this mental block about not getting enough spin with 18 mains...maybe the spin from this one will break that mental block.

    Thanks for the input....sounds like the power can be found with the right string and tension. I've got a Dunlop AG 4D 300 that I'm getting ready to string at 40/43 with a poly/syn just to see if going that low can get pop out of a popless racquet :)

    I appreciate the input so far.

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  5. KYHacker

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    I doubt there is any real difference in stability between 6.1 Team and 95S. Swing weight is identical. Difference is that 95S is around 5pts HL while Team is EB. Hitting weight will be practically identical. Choice of string and tension will be most important.

    I will wager that Team and 95S hit a very similar ball.
     
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  6. ednegroni

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    I have my 16x18 Team at 11.3oz (lead at 3&9 and just under bottom cap) and use ALU Power Spin @ 53lbs.. The string, of the many I've tried, offers the most power.
     
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    Power level on the 6.1 Team is low so its not really the right racket to be looking at if you're looking for power.
     
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  8. TripleB

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    Not looking for a 'power' racquet per se. Just something with a wide open string pattern (for spin), great maneuverability (for net), and good comfort (for the arm).

    This racquet seems to have all three....I was just wondering if power was to be found in it with a cerain string set up. TW gave it a 77 for power while they gave the PCG 100 a 73 and I'm definitely gonna try the PCG 100.

    Like tomorrow I'm gonna have my AG 4D 300 strung at 39/43 to see if power can be found in it. I'm definitely not against stringing low to find power if I need too...that's why I was asking about stringing the 6.1 BLX Team.

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    String a 6.1 with Sensation or NXT and they have nice pop;
    just that everyone thinks they're pro & demands poly
    then declare them lifeless.

    I just did an old 90 with oldskool nylon very taut, interesting outcome :)
     
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    I just received the 6.1 95 spin effect last night and while I did not hit with it yet it feels heavier than I imagined. I thought it would be a little more head light. Well, I will soon see what it's all about!
     
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    This is what I've done and I haven't been disappointed.
     
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  12. TripleB

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    Thanks for the input. I use poly for two reasons: 1) in order to string less frequently (used to use Prince Synthetic Gut w/Duraflex 17g and broke it within an hour); and 2) to get as much spin as possible.

    I'm anxious to see if string at 39/43 will bring power to a 'lifeless' 4D AG 300 :)

    Look forward to hearing your thoughts on this racquet...even though it has 'Spin Effect' technology I struggle with 18 mains racquets. If it had 16 mains I would have probably already ordered this racquet.

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    I offered these comments in the Customer Reviews section. I eventually ended up returning to the PDs (I'm addicted) but enjoyed my time with this racquet. I strung them with Klip Detonator 17 hybrid (45 lbs mains/50 lbs crosses).

    Comments: I added 1/2 ounce to the handle and another 1/4 ounce split between 9 and 3, bringing the Six.One Team's static weight to just under 11.5 ounces. The racquet is sublime -- softer, more maneuverable and bigger sweet spot than the Six.One 95, but with more than adequate power and plow through. It's also very arm-friendly, a welcome trait coming off 3 years of using a Pure Drive. I am very pleased with this racquet and it responds well to customization.
     
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  14. TripleB

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    A lot of people (including TW) say these handles/grips run a bit large.

    Does anyone know if they run as large (or larger) than Babolat grips (which I think run at least one size larger than stated)?

    Thanks.

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    Only the buttcap is bigger than usual .... Grip is OK
     
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    TripleB you really find the 4D 300 that under powered. I have a couple of them so let us know how you make out with the lower tension. I use syngut at 55, hybrid at 50 or a full bed of poly at 48. Wouldn't mind hearing a few comparisons to some of the rackets you are trying out. Good luck.
     
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    I can chime in here also.
    I have two 4D300's, both with STBite16 gauge at 47lbs.
    I also have 3 Aero500's strung with Ice at 50 lbs., and weighted to 320 SW and 11 oz with lead tape at 3-9 and 16" under the grip.
    500 can hit harder serves and overheads.
    Every other shot, it's very close, with more control and confidence going to the 300's, so I can hit out more, and feel the ball is going to land IN.
    I play serious tennis with the 300's.
    I also have a Bio300T, weighted to around 320 and 11 oz. But it's strung with Ice17 at 50lbs., and has less power than either my 500's or 4D's, but sufficient for most any set play. It's stiffer than my 4D, but the strings don't give much pop, compared to STBite16 and 47 lbs.
    Some "knowledgeable" string specialists say my strings have dropped tension more than 5 lbs., but they're wrong, because I have one racket that has 70+ hours of play, and another with less than 2 hours, and they feel very similar.
     
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  18. LeeD

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    Power is more than sufficient with the 4D rackets, certainly noticeably more power than my MicroGelOS, or any of my 3 Mfil or Aero200's.
    OTOH, I"m old at 64, seldom need to hit with 5.0 level players, mostly hit with 3.5-4.0 level players, and my peers say I hit most every shot harder than anyone of my bad ability.
     
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  19. KYHacker

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    Grip on 2012 cosmetic is thicker than normal, and runs 1 size large. Grip was changed to Sublime on 2013 cosmetic, and is standard size. Buttcap is more knob-like as it is on all Wilson players frames. The frames i just received from TW were all 2013 cosmetic.
     
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  20. TripleB

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    Yea, I truly do. At the 48/51 (poly/syn) it just lacked pop for me. I dropped my racquet off with my stringer and am gonna have him string it at 39 pounds mains (TB 1.20) and 43 pounds crosses (Gosen Super 1.25). Said ti's the lowest he's ever strung a racquet and he's been stringing for 35+ years. I'll give an update when I get the chance. May be a couple weeks...6 year old goes in to get tonsils removed on Thursday.

    Maybe it's because I put so much spin on the ball, but the power out of the 4D AG 300 is too low for me with Tour Bite mains at 48 pounds and Gosen OG Sheep Micro Super at 51 pounds. As mentioned above I'm going to try 39/43 and see what it plays like.

    I didn't know they updated the graphics on the 2012 model (currently $119 at TW). Are the graphics on the T-W website the new look or the old look?

    Thanks for everyone's input so far!!!

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    Tell the truth, I got weak last Friday and demoed a Six-One 95 16X18. Couple of things stood out: power and loads of it. The frame, in my hand, was way more powerful than the 99S. Second, serving. I served like I remembered I used to. A guy I normally have trouble serving to, I aced about 6 times out of 9 serves and with old balls.

    There's something to be said for heft in a frame.

    I switched. :)
     
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  22. TripleB

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    If I served like that I would have switched too....wouldn't even care if the rest of my game stunk with it :).

    Here were my thoughts when I tried out the heavy version:

    Wilson Six-One 95: very solid, great amount of power (probably the most from any 6.1 racquet I've ever tried), slice is just amazing…so low and powerful, heavy topspin was above average if I had time to prepare…really couldn't whip the head of this racquet even though it is 9 points headlight…really missed the ability of whipping my crosscourt forehand at a sharp angle like I can with my Dunlop, enjoyed the pop I got from this racquet on serves which led to some free points, didn't like it as much on second serves because I couldn't get the spin I was hoping for on spin serves, so solid at net but a little slow and I couldn't ever get the touch dialed in with this racquet (at least with this string set-up), control is outstanding, even though there is only 6 grams difference between this racquet and my 200 Tour…I'm too much of a weakling to use this racquet.

    I just don't think I'm strong enough, or willing to put in the extra work to get strong enough, to handle this racquet. Pulled out my Dunlop AG 4D 200 Tour last weekend and even it felt too much for to feel really comfortable when playing doubles. Really loved the light feel of the Pro Kennex QTour 295 I demoed a while back...especially at net where I could just get the racquet in position to hit the volley any place I wanted and on returns where I could actually take a huge swing at the ball instead of just blocking the ball back. Unfortunately that racquet was a little too flexy to get enough pop.

    Glad you found a new love!

    TripleB
     
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  23. pvw_tf

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    This is a light racket 289 grams. Clearly not for everyone. But of you are stronger the weight will be to low. You can add leadtape to make it more heavy.

    But this is a great racket for quality junior players moving to their first senior racket. Or the ones who want a light racket with controlled power.

    I string this one with Tecnifibre NRg2 at 22.5 kg. I will give you power but controlled.

    Peter
     
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  24. tlm

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    I have been using this racket for a while now and to me it has plenty of power. If you like poly put some lux bb ace in at 55lbs. and it should have loads of power. I use blue gear at 68lbs. and it still has plenty of power.
     
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    3 people I know who play Div 1 and Nationals U18 Juniors use this frame stock. The junior hits about a 120-125MPH first serves with it. Absolutely ridiculous frame to just plaster the ball with tons of Racket head speed!

    -Fuji
     
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  26. RollTrackTake

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    ALU Power at 48 or 50 lbs gave me good power with the 6.1 Team.
     
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    Grip seemed pretty standard to me...nothing like a Babolat.
     
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  28. Rabbit

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    Well, when I went "lightweight" way back with the Prince EXO Pro Team, the pro I work with told me that I would suffer a bit in the serve department. He said that Newton's laws are universal (well he didn't say that exactly). If I give up something on my serve, I should expect to get something somewhere else. I thought I was buying some oomph on my groundies and more spin.

    And I did (I think). Problem is, you start every point with a serve or a return. Both of which lacked weight, especially my serve. This put more stress on the rest of my game, robbed me of the free points I had become used to, and generally caused me to work harder, not less. I also get more spin with this frame. I hit a couple of topspin lobs which were absolute arcs.

    We'll see how long I stay with the Six.One :)) ). Right now, it's very promising as I've seen some "lost" attributes come back to my game. The racquet delivers the feel, the something missing that I had been searching for with the other lighter frames. While I know that I need to regain the devotion I had with the C10, it has been fun changing racquets. But, I think I've one again come full circle. A traditional frame just suits my game best.

    My point in all this is: sometimes, you just simply can't figure it. A frame like the Team BLX just may never deliver the kind of power your used to with a heavier frame. String/tension can only do so much. And, like me, you may find yourself working harder with the frame which is exactly what you don't want to do.
     
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  29. TripleB

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    Right now my returns are what I'm struggling with...just having a hard time getting the racquet into position fast enough and getting the head moving fast enough on my returns, so now all my returns are either a slice crosscourt, a lob, or a topspin return with no control. Since in doubles I only serve once every four times I'm thinking I better concentrate on my returns right now.

    With the Organix V1 I used I really loved the maneuverability I got from the light racquet (.2 ounces lighter than the 6.1 Team) on returns and at the net, but I struggled with the spin from this racquet...pattern seemed a little tight in the middle.

    Good luck with the Six.One---it is an awesome racquet!!!

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    Thanks for everyone's input on getting some pop out of this racquet.

    I've decided to string it at 49 pounds mains and 52 pounds crosses with the following strings in it at some point and time:

    Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.20 w/Volkl Classic Synthetic Gut (Black) 1.25

    Solinco Tour Bite 1.20 w/ Forten Synthetic Gut Sweet (Natural) 1.20

    Volkl Cyclone (Black) 1.20 w/Gosen AK Control 1.24

    I'm thinking at 49/52 I'll be able to get some pop out of at least one of those string set ups. I'd rather start a little lower than a little higher (ie: would rather have too much power to start with than to start out thinking the racquet had no power)

    Thanks again for all your help!!!

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  31. TripleB

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    I appreciate everyone's input...ordered 3 Wilson Six.One Team BLX racquets today!!!

    Had all three strung at 49 pounds on the mains and 52 pounds on the crosses.

    Strings (M/C):
    Cyclone Tour 1.20/Cyclone 1.20
    Tour Bite 1.20/AK Control 1.24
    Cyclone 1.20/Synthetic Sweet 1.20

    Thanks again for all the input.

    TripleB
     
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    I agree with rabbit, i switched six months back. Loads of power and spin.

    Full tour bite soft 16g at 44/41 is magic.

    No stability problems, just up your stick speed.
     
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  33. Rabbit

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    Oh my.....

    Played tonight against a team I had struggled with and lost to before. My partner and I destroyed them.

    As a testament to others, like myself, on the boards who have let their brains rule their equipment choices, I offer this.

    I am 55 and started to think that I needed a lighter, more technologically superior frame to "help" me. I bought, in succession, the Babolat Aero Pure Drive, Prince EXO3 Tour Team, Prince EXO3 Warrior, and Wilson 99S. All of these seemed to enhance my ground strokes. Problem is, my results didn't bear any of that out.

    I demoed the Wilson Six.One 95 (honestly thinking it was the light version). I was amazed that I got more spin with it than the 99S. When I swung at a sitter from the baseline, I had way more power and spin even though the string pattern was tighter (not by much) than the 99S.

    I played tonight against a guy who has been eating me alive on returns. By the middle of the first set, he was dropping F-bombs. And, he is one of the nicest guys on court. My volleys were what I remembered. I stuck them and they had weight. My ground strokes, once I adjusted for the decrease on launch and quit trying to whip the ball, were heavy and had way more pace.

    I guess the net of this is, do not overthink your game to the point that your mind rules your equipment choices. I grew up with wood, my strokes were predicated on heavy racquets. The Wilson Six.One 95 16X18 strung with gut is just plain awesome.
     
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    Any temptation to dust off your C10s?
     
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    You know....to be honest, I did. I found that it just didn't play as well. I posted in one of 3B's threads about that. I strung one up with Prince Tournament Poly and Prince Synthetic and played a set of doubles. The adjustment from the 99S was just stark. It just wasn't as big an adjustment with the Six.One for some reason. On top of that, the Six.One is heavier than the C10! I find that I serve much better with the Wilson than the Volkl. And tonight just really sealed the deal. Ergo, I am willing to part with my stock.

    I played last night with 3 5.0s, all of whom were half my age. We rotated every set and for the first two sets, they teed off at me when I was at net. By the 3rd set they were hitting around me and laughing at how well I volleyed. This has been a true rebirth for me!
     
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    Rabbit....why not try the 95S? Best of both worlds?
     
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    Well.....first off, my racquet demo was by and large an accident. I thought I was demoing the Six.One Team. My happy coincidence resulted in me trying the regular Six.One. I should note that since its inception, I have never tried the "follow on" to the 85.

    Now, as to the 95S, it's only .1 ounces heavier than the 99S. It lacks that ingredient which I find essential to my game, right or wrong, weight. Strung, my Six.Ones weight 12.6 ounces.

    The biggest difference is weight of shot, every shot and in my net game. My net game is what I remember it to be. (The older I get, the better I was.)
     
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    Personally, I just HATE to judge a racket when I'm playing my best, or my worse.
    I like to stick with a racket for at least 3 weeks, go through the ups and downers, play like crap, play like I thought I should, then decide on the good and bad points of my rackets.
    I'm still playing with my 4DAero300's strung with STBite16 at 47 lbs., 4 5/8 grip sizes.
    I rotate in a Bio300T weighted to 320 SW, a MGRadOS, 3 slightly differently weighted Aero500's (they all serve harder, and dwell time is much less), and 3 Mfil and Aero200's (FOR ME, heavier rackets serve much slower, both first and especially second serves).
    I know you are going to remember I quoted myself as a strong 3.5-4.0. But I do play doubles at the 4.5 levels.
    And out of 8 sets now, have not yet lost to next year's NorCal JuniorGirls top 30 in the 16 year old division. Some debate as to how this is possible, given this girl hits regularly with ranked 4.5-5.5 men.
    And, funny thing, I win through sheer power, spin, and of course, placement.
    Like some guy named Ferrer, you don't need a powerful racket to hit powerful shots.
     
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    Yep, which is exactly why I haven't posted an Ode to thread. :)

    But, from the 1st hit, I noticed attributes in my game that have been missing. Two in particular have been the serve and volley.

    We'll see, but right now, I'm in heaven. (We'll see in a month or two.)
     
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    Did u ever try the newer M 3.0?
     
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    I have to say that I did not have a good first experience hitting with my new 6.1 95s. I found the sweet spot to be very small and the spin to be ordinary. With that said, I may have strung it up too tight. In addition, I strung the crosses looser than the mains as you would in more traditional setups. However, because there are more MAINS than crosses, I think my setup worked against me and created less of the so called snap back effect.
     
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    I was considering the purchase of these racquets without trying one first just because the specs look great and the T-W Playtesters seemed to really be amazed at the spin offered by the racquet.

    The one thing that kept me from doing so was the fact that it has 18 mains. My game relies so heavily on spin that I have a mental block when playing with an '18 mains' racquets....the racquet could be 2 feet wide in the middle with 18 mains and a wide open string pattern but because it said 18 mains on it I would feel I still struggled to find spin :) And then with the 95s being a '95' and having 18 mains, I decided not to pull the trigger on the racquet.

    My game is missing quickness at net and on returns so I decided to go with the 2012 6.1 BLX Team.

    Looking forward to getting them out on the courts this weekend assuming my sons surgery (getting his tonsils out at age 6) goes smoothly.

    TripleB
     
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    Congrats on your finding and playing so well with your new stick! Which version of the Six.One is that?
     
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