wimbledon 2006 seeding is out

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
My guess is that Roddick will be placed on Nadal's half.I expect Nalbandian too be placed on Roger's side of the draw.
 

diegaa

Hall of Fame
Arafel said:
Now the question is will Andy be on Rafa's half or Fed's half.

he should be on fed´s.
BTW, Ive been wondering why it is this way (#1 and #3 in the same half and #2 and #4 at the other)
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
I dont know about that.Rafa is seeded second based on results and not grass results, i will be shocked if he makes it to at least the QFs.
 

matty p

New User
ksbh said:
Nadal seeded 2nd?! And Roddick seeded 3 places higher than Hewitt?!

Not very accurate seeding, to say the least.

so therefore nadal shouldve been seeded 1 at the french open for it to be accurate using that logic right?
 

dozu

Banned
the bigger question is which side will Ljubicic be on. It's just weired to have a clay specialist thrown in there to mix up the pot..... if Nadal makes into the 2nd week, you can eat my shorts.
 

dozu

Banned
dozu said:
the bigger question is which side will Ljubicic be on. on my book he is the #2 fast court player in the world. It's just weired to have a clay specialist thrown in there to mix up the pot..... if Nadal makes into the 2nd week, you can eat my shorts.
 

matty p

New User
diegaa said:
he should be on fed´s.
BTW, Ive been wondering why it is this way (#1 and #3 in the same half and #2 and #4 at the other)

its random. #3 can be put on #1 or #2's side of the draw and then #4 is put on the opposite side.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
The seeds are the top 32 players on the ATP Entry System Position (ESP), BUT then rearranged on a surface-based system. A seeding committee is not required for the Gentlemen's Singles since the seeding order is determined using an objective and transparent system to reflect more accurately an individual player's grass court achievements: The formula is:

Take ESP points at 19 June 2006
Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournament in the past 12 months
Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.
 

ksbh

Banned
I see where you're coming from. I don't have a problem with rankings being used to determine seeding but Wimbledon is known to consider players past performance on grass. Using their logic, Hewitt (former Wimbledon champ) and recent Queens winner, should have been seeded higher than Roddick (2 time finalist) who in turn seeded higher than Nadal.

matty p said:
so therefore nadal shouldve been seeded 1 at the french open for it to be accurate using that logic right?
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
ksbh,
read my post, it explains their seeding. there is a formula that determines it, no committee.

simi,
Nadal had such a huge lead over #3 in rankings that his queen's results were irrelevant in his seeding.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Using their logic, Hewitt (former Wimbledon champ) and recent Queens winner, should have been seeded higher than Roddick (2 time finalist) who in turn seeded higher than Nadal.

Only past 2 years results are used, so Hewitt's 02 title can't help him:

"Take ESP points at 19 June 2006
Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournament in the past 12 months
Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that."

If they used all past performances on grass, Agassi would be #2 seed.

Here are the numbers using their formula:

1 Federer 9235
2 Nadal 4585
3 Roddick 3880
4 Nalbandian 3615
5 Ljubicic 3078.75
6 Hewitt 2592.5
 

barry

Hall of Fame
Seeding is crap, let ranking determine seeds instead of a bunch of old men in the back room. Roddick should be seeded 5th, not 3rd.

The ranking system worked fine at the French and everywhere else.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Seeding is crap, let ranking determine seeds instead of a bunch of old men in the back room. Roddick should be seeded 5th, not 3rd.

There are no "old men" determining the seeds. Try the formula out yourself, the numbers match up with their seedings.

Take ESP points at 19 June 2006
Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournament in the past 12 months
Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that."
 

DMich

New User
barry said:
Seeding is crap, let ranking determine seeds instead of a bunch of old men in the back room. Roddick should be seeded 5th, not 3rd.

The ranking system worked fine at the French and everywhere else.

Its a formula, not a "bunch of old men in the back room". I'm no Roddick fan (at all) but thats how the numbers worked out.
 

ksbh

Banned
Moose,

Thanks for the clarification. If Hewitt and Roddick play each other (donno if that's a possibility), I can guarantee Hewitt will beat Roddick.

Moose Malloy said:
ksbh,
read my post, it explains their seeding. there is a formula that determines it, no committee.

simi,
Nadal had such a huge lead over #3 in rankings that his queen's results were irrelevant in his seeding.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
If Hewitt and Roddick play each other (donno if that's a possibility), I can guarantee Hewitt will beat Roddick.

They could possibly play in quarters. And Roddick has won their only grasscourt meeting.

Regardless of Roddick's recent struggles, he has clearly been the 2nd best grasscourt player since '03. I'm not sure anyone has ever compiled a better 3 year period on grass & not won Wimbledon during that span(3 times Queens champ, 2 time W finalist, 1 time W SF)
 
rod99 said:
agassi at 26. will be interesting to see which seed is in his section.

Yeah, he could get Federer in the third round.....or it could end up being as good a draw as anyone's. I just hope he gets a rematch with Henman. Nice contrast in styles. Wish I had seen their match at Queen's Club.

Anyway, when do they make the draw? Thursday? Friday?
 

Lagger

New User
MonkeyPox said:
I don't think Henman did pull out, he's just not in the top 32 anymore I don't think.

Thanks for the input. I would think since he's playing so well on grass lately that he'd be in the top 32. Heck, wasn't he the 5th seed at Queens?
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
Lagger said:
Thanks for the input. I would think since he's playing so well on grass lately that he'd be in the top 32. Heck, wasn't he the 5th seed at Queens?

Well Wimbledon can only tinker with the top 32 seeds and change them around.

They can't invite someone from outside the top 32 into a seeded position.

Henman ranked 70 odd is miles away from getting seeded.
 

matty p

New User
slice bh compliment said:
Yeah, he could get Federer in the third round.....or it could end up being as good a draw as anyone's. I just hope he gets a rematch with Henman. Nice contrast in styles. Wish I had seen their match at Queen's Club.

Anyway, when do they make the draw? Thursday? Friday?

agassi will get an easy draw as always.

the draw comes out on friday.
 

Ash Doyle

Professional
Lagger said:
Thanks for the input. I would think since he's playing so well on grass lately that he'd be in the top 32. Heck, wasn't he the 5th seed at Queens?

His ranking has dropped badly in the last year. There just weren't that many top ranked players at Queens. He's probably one of the most dangerous floaters anybody could draw for the first round.
 

matty p

New User
Lagger said:
Thanks for the input. I would think since he's playing so well on grass lately that he'd be in the top 32. Heck, wasn't he the 5th seed at Queens?

he was unseeded. i think your thinkin of agassi
 

barry

Hall of Fame
Moose Malloy said:
There are no "old men" determining the seeds. Try the formula out yourself, the numbers match up with their seedings.

Take ESP points at 19 June 2006
Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournament in the past 12 months
Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that."

We have enough formulas, let ranking determine seeding, after all you earn rankings, and Wimbledon seeding is by appointment.
 

fastdunn

Legend
By the way, is Boris Becker still the only truely non-seeded/non-wild card
winner in Wimbledon history ?

Richard Krajicek wasn't seeded but effectively seeded because some
seeded player pulled out and placed there.

Ivanesvic was a wild card.
 

Mattle

Rookie
It's a scandal that Nadal is seeded higher then Roddick. Nadal shows exeptional talent, but Roddick is always playing good grass tennis no matter he loses or wins. Beside, he has a lot of good results from wimbledon. Which good grass experiences have put Nadal on 2.? Wimbledon aint clay morrons!

And... Davydenko? no no no.... He's a really good player, but he's known for not good results on grass. Clay, carpet, he rules. But that dosent mean he should be seeded. Saw his match vs. Kohlscreiber? Indeed no grass player... and then Henman is not seeded... and he's one of the best grass players... wtf is going on at wimbledon..
 

Mattle

Rookie
dozu said:
the bigger question is which side will Ljubicic be on. It's just weired to have a clay specialist thrown in there to mix up the pot..... if Nadal makes into the 2nd week, you can eat my shorts.

I will eat my own shorts if Nadal get's there..:S
 

Chadwixx

Banned
It doesnt matter if roddick is the #2, #3, or #4 seed. He will be placed on the other side of the draw as fed. This random seeding placement gives tournament directors alot of flexiblity to get the outcomes they desire.
 

exruda

Semi-Pro
Chadwixx said:
It doesnt matter if roddick is the #2, #3, or #4 seed. He will be placed on the other side of the draw as fed. This random seeding placement gives tournament directors alot of flexiblity to get the outcomes they desire.
Wrong.
#2 is sure to be in th opposite side of the draw.
#3 and #4 are placed RANDOMLY=one can not arrange a "desired" result
 

bm99

New User
I can't believe some of this talk about why Roddick should be #2. The guy has done nothing lately.
 

Chadwixx

Banned
Tell me exruda, in the past 3 years how many times has roddick and fed been in the same side of the draw? Look up that figure and you will understand my original comment.

Random? Lol
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Tell me exruda, in the past 3 years how many times has roddick and fed been in the same side of the draw?

From beginning of '04 until Feb '05, Roddick was ranked #2 so its understandable he was on other half of the draw as Fed during that span. And he was #2 seed at last years W(using the grasscourt formula they've been using for years) So they've only been in opposite halves when Roddick was ranked less than 2 twice-'05 US Open & '06 Australian.

They were in the same half at '03 W & '03 US Open.
 

Shabazza

Legend
Chadwixx said:
Tell me exruda, in the past 3 years how many times has roddick and fed been in the same side of the draw? Look up that figure and you will understand my original comment.

Random? Lol
Hello?! Roddick was seeded 2 the last few years at Wimbledon - of course he was on the other side of the draw and in 2003 he wasn't 2nd seed and was in Feds half, go figure!
I can't believe you guys really believe they rigged the seeds and the draw. All seeds are determind by a public formula, it is the same formula they used for many years!!
They use both, the entry points AND the grass court points to determine the seeds and the draw is random except the 1st and 2nd seed, like in any other GS, period!!
Stop this nonsense about rigged draws, it makes you look stupid.
 
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Deleted member 4983

Guest
Roger caught a big time break and is lucky he won't have to face Rafael till the final.
 

bluescreen

Hall of Fame
what? being that nadal's on the other half of the draw, federer's never gonna even see nadal. oh well, i think a meeting w/ nadal on grass would boost his confidence a bit.
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
barry said:
Seeding is crap, let ranking determine seeds instead of a bunch of old men in the back room. Roddick should be seeded 5th, not 3rd.

The ranking system worked fine at the French and everywhere else.

What about Hewitt? He got bumped up to 6th from 9th, is that ok?? Let's see if Pat Cash complains this year about the seeding system at Wimby.
 
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