Wimbledon Championship - Federer vs. Roddick STATS

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  1. Chanchai

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    I put this in a new thread because I feel this is a different discussion. I found these stats interesting.

    http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/scores/stats/day14/1127ms.html

    I wish we could get more specific stats like backhand/forehand/service-ace (seperated)/etc.... But for now, these stats are great. Have a look and share your thoughts!

    The biggest differences are the service points won and net approaches.

    It was virtually all about the big points in this match!

    Oh yeah, look at both percentages and quantities. (Not just percentages and not just quantities).

    -Chanchai
     
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  2. VamosRafa

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    It shows that not much separated these guys. Andy did better with his first serve, but his second serve let him down more than usual. But a lot of that was due to Roger's return game.

    What's amazing is the breakpoint chances both guys had. But here's where Andy could have done more: He only coverted 29% of his breakpoint opps, at 4 of 14.

    This is why I said Andy had his chances to win, or to take it to a fifth set. Roger stepped up and played better on the breakpoints, but Andy also missed some relatively easy forehands.

    But he'll learn from it. He gave all he had to give out there, and I agree that Roger didn't -- yet it was enough to win. But the gap is closing, as I said.
     
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  3. Nadal2

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    Yeah, I would agree that you can conclude from this match that the gap is closing, but I would think that this match would help Federer realize that and probably it will motivate him.
    Both players have a tendency to save a large percentage of break points and play those points better, but part of why Roddick had more break chances was because he didn't convert them as quickly as Federer, maybe he didn't "up his level".
    A key stat, for me, is Roddick's 48% winning from the net (21 of 44). As Federer started to hit better passing shots and get a little bit more comfortable with Roddick being at net, he started winning those points.
    Roddick played great at certain points of the match, but at times it was obvious that Federer's backhand let him down and that he missed some easy forehands, as Roddick did, too. So I would expect that both can show better tennis than they did.
    Also, if they both play like they did today at the US Open, Roddick will win.
     
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  4. Vlad

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    Gap might me closing but the fact is Fed just won his 6th title of the year. He has 746 points, while Andy has 454. He is 46-4 this season while Andy is 44-9. And don't forget Fed leading 6-1 head to head. My conclusion is Fed was tight in the beginning with a lot of pressure on him to win this. Let's not judge him harshly by just one match. Every one has good and bad days. Andy has a long way to reach Fed's level still.
     
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  5. VamosRafa

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    And you don't think it will motivate Andy? :wink:

    Fed definitely is going to finish the year at No. 1. But we're going into Andy's favorite time of year, so his overall results should pick up. Of course, he has tons of points to defend, but I'm sure he'll continue to stay motivated.
     
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  6. Nadal2

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    Yeah, I was just going to point out what you said in the last sentence. Fed did more than defend all of his points, picking up an extra GS and defending the one he had already won.
     
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  7. VamosRafa

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    I don't think Andy can catch Fed even if he won the USO. He has to defend Indianapolis, Toronto, Cincy and the US Open.

    I don't care how well he's playing, that seems a pretty insurmountable task for anyone. He has to win every tournament he enters between now and the USO just to stay where he is. (Maybe that's not true, he did pick up quite a few points with the Miami win.)

    But he could pick up some points in the fall, where he doesn't have much to defend. Still, it's an uphill battle even to stay No. 2 in the ATP entry system. If he has a decent summer, though, he could be firmly No. 2 in the Race.
     
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  8. Nadal2

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    I don't know, he has a load of points to defend, and he may very well lose points, but I don't think he will lose his ranking. The only person who is a danger to possibly rise that high is Nalbandian, and he is somewhat questionable for the rest of the year because of his abdominal injury.
     
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  9. VamosRafa

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    Nadal2 (love the name, BTW), the guy who writes for Bob Larson Tennis is bound to do a complete analysis of the rankings, and I'll post the gist of it, so we can see where the players stand.

    I don't think anyone can knock Roger off the No. 1 spot, and Andy may be a solid No. 2 in the Champion's race. I think Moya is close to qualifying for Houston, and I have to think Roger has qualified, and Andy is close as well. And I think Coria stands a good chance as well.

    I kind of doubt that Gaudio will keep up enough a ranking to get the wildcard spot in Houston. He'll have to stay in the Top 20, but it's possible, I guess.

    BTW, just read an ESPN article by Greg Garber, and he was asking what player will be able to get the best of Federer in the future. Here's the quote:

    Hope we don't have to wait for Donald Young to come of age, but Rafa has already beaten Roger on hardcourts, and isn't exactly in the junior ranks. :roll: I look forward to their future matches, though.
     
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  10. Nadal2

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    Yeah, Donald Young :lol: . He's 14, so let's imagine he is everything he's said to be. He could win his first slam at 21, so what? Federer will be 29 and could be coming to the end of his career (provided he doesn't pull an Agassi). He's not going to be a rival. The only thing that guy was trying to say is that no one right now on tour can beat Federer, that we need to look to the future. But I think Nadal can beat Roger, he already has. We just need to hope he is back to being healthy again.
     
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  11. prince

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    both roddick and fed will be grinding thru the hardcourt season.................
     
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