wimbledon is now the same speed as rome

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  1. The Gorilla

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    in the last two days the court has been playing like a clay court, the ball hits the ground and it just stops.I think they've gone too far.
     
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  2. dima

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    Agreed, this is getting ridiculous.
     
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  3. ACE of Hearts

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    No doubt, Nadal will win wimbledon soon.Its ridiculous.The bounces where insane.
     
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  4. Dolphina

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    Yeah, I´m glad this is over now, and the quick hardcourt comes. I was so disappointed not to see more powerful rallyes in Wimbly:mad:
     
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    What year did this grass change come about?
    Feels like it's getting progressively slower every year.
     
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  6. goforgold99

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    Yes, it was ridiculously slow this year, not only the grass, I think the balls are heavier too.

    It's obvious they want to create more close matches through that, but that Wimbledon used to have the fastest conditions is also a TRADITION. So they are so with their traditions, they shouldn't break this one either.

    If it stays so slow I can image Nadal to be the champ next time. Also the hardsourts are getting slower and slower. It's just more and more difficult for Fed and these power-players like Nadal are favoured.
     
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    I think Wimbly had been criticised couple of years ago, to be boring, because of the dominance of the serve of the men, so they wanted to make it slower to make it more attractive like the other slams, but this is going toonfar.
     
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  8. ACE of Hearts

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    There is no doubt in my mind that it was faster last year and the bounces where lower.Get a tape of this match and the finals from last year and compare.
     
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    To true. Im glad its hardcourt season now.
     
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    Well, Federer never won Wimbledon until after they changed the grass so he has actually benefited from the slower conditions too. He has won all 5 Wimbledon's on slow grass and all from the baseline except this first win which he served and volleyed. Pete won 7 on the fast grass.

    So all this talk of slow grass hurting him is a joke. He has destroyed the field the past 5 years at Wimbledon. If the grass was getting slower each year he would be having more problems winning it each year. He has not. He has no problems beating anyone else on any surface. He has trouble with Rafa on all surfaces.

    Still great win for Federer today. There should be no more doubt about his heart and ability to rise over adversity. A truly great & fearless champion. It was Nadal who tightened up and blinked first in the 5th.
     
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  11. ACE of Hearts

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    Hey spencer, give me a break.Go back to 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, its not slower and the bounces werent high.It was faster then it is now.U didnt see alot of rallies like u see now.I also noticed that the bounces are high then they where during 2003-2006
     
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  12. Spencer

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    If you guys want to diminish Federer's achievements of 11 grandslams by saying that all the tournaments play at similar speeds now a days then go ahead. If you are saying that the grandslams were much more varied in the past then it means that Sampras' achievement looks more impressive.

    Federer won because he served lights out and showed the heart of a champion when it counted, why can't we leave it at that without all this talk about slow grass to try to diminish Rafa's accomplishment?
     
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  13. Kim

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    ...But how come Federer never complains that its slower??
     
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    ...it might be good practice for him for the French if he can continue to win on these "slow" grass, eh??

    I think the French is his number 1 goal, although he always says its Wimby.
     
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    I fully agree with Spencer. If Fed does not complain, neither should we. Just enjoy the show people..!!!!
     
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  16. ACE of Hearts

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    Hey kim, maybe he doesnt wanna see it as an excuse, i am sure u would agree with me that the bounces are high and the balls look heavy.
     
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  17. Mikael

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    I've been going to Wimbledon every year since 1997, spending a few days at the championships, and the only real change I noticed came about 2002-2003. Thats when I noticed a few "key players" stopped serving and volleying systematically. I'm not convinced the surface was considerably slower this year than in 2006, 2005, 2004 or 2003. Maybe you have this impression because you see Rafael Nadal playing and the guy has incredible speed, covering the court so well he makes the bounces seem slower than they are.
     
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  18. Red Velvet

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    Oh well, and what about red clay at the French getting faster ? Grass is still grass and even if you slow it down, it remains faster than a "fast" clay !
     
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  19. ACE of Hearts

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    No, just look at the matches and i think u would agree with me.There was no pace out there.The grass is slower, plain and simple and the bounces are absurd.
     
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  20. Kim

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    Well, Ace of Hearts....I must admit that yeah, it seems that the court is slower and that many supposedly unretrievable balls can still be retrieved. When I watch past matches like that of Fed-Sampras 2001, rallies were much shorter and the balls seem faster...Well, yeah maybe Fed just don't want to say it out loud because it might indeed be taken against him.

    But still.... we can't do anything about it. And Fed still won, so happy me :)
     
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    Come to think of it, Tomas Berdych in his interview also said that he feels the grass at Wimby is slower now that's why he thinks Nadal is just playing his claycourt game, while having a chance to win.

    Maybe the grass at Queens is the normal grass---faster. There Nadal lost to Mahut who served and volleyed like crazy, and Nadal couldn't pick up and run down balls as much as he was in Wimby....Hmmm.....Maybe this is also why Fed has refused to play at Queens because its not good practice for Wimby?

    Is the grass at Halle slower too (I ask coz Fed joins this tourney rather than Queens as a tuneup)..?
     
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    Nadal's lefty top spin should not be a factor on grass at all. Anyone who hits heavy top spin should not be a factor on grass to be honest. No one should be able to stay behind the baseline and do that well on grass. That is why Wimbledon is now absurd.
     
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  24. Dolphina

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    Even Venus Williams hit like Martina Hingis in the final, lol. Something was wrong this year.
     
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    People say that the grandslams have been slowed down to increase rallies making it harder to end points quickly. But the same people say that Sampras would not do well in today's game because the current pros hit the ball harder and faster. They say current pros are stronger and have more advanced racquets and can hit winners from way behind the baseline.

    So which is it? Is it harder to hit a straight out winner now with the slow courts and powerful racquest or back then with the faster courts and old racquets?
     
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  26. Spencer

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    Grass is still grass. If Federer had hit 20+ aces against Rafa in Paris he may very well have beaten Nadal and got the career grandslam. The ball bounces higher because Federer is hitting his shots off of Nadal's heavy topspin groundstrokes. Nadal puts more spin than anyone else on tour so even the grass looks different when he is on the court. Plus Federer refuses to slice his backhand and hits topspin most of the match.
     
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  27. superstition

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    Powerful larger-headed racquets make it easier to play from the baseline. Slow balls and courts also make it easier to play from the baseline.
     
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    Hey Kim, Roger has ties with Halle.He has thought about playing in Queens.I think Roger prefers the grass fast and the balls low, its better for his backhand and his serve to function more.
     
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    Well, two weeks ago I'd never have bet a cent on Nadal reaching the final. But the result is here and instead of saying the surface being slower, why don't we give credit to him intstead ? In fact, I didn't think he 'd be able to take the ball so early and to dictate the pace from the baseline like he did against Federer. But then again, Fed didn't use his sliced backhand that often... It's certainly true that the grass is slower but tricky rebounds are still there and like I said before, it remains grass !
     
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  30. ACE of Hearts

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    Hey velvet, no one is taking his play away.He played the match of his life but the conditions clearly favored him today.The bounces where high and right in his zone.To be honest, i am quite surprise that Roger won this match.His serve saved his butt.
     
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  31. ACE of Hearts

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    Hahahahaha, the crazy thing is that i think the conditions in Halle are quicker then what i saw today.
     
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    Are any of you guys emailing wimbledon to voice your concern or are you just whining on these forums?
     
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    Don't worry, I 'm not a Nadal fan at all ;) But even if the conditions favored him, I guess it's only a minor factor. It' s as if saying a hot and warm day at the French would favor Federer. Certainly a bit but it would still not allow him to play like he was on grass. And so the reverse is true for Nadal !
     
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    Are any of you guys emailing wimbledon to voice your concern or are you just whining on these forums?
     
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  35. ACE of Hearts

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    Is there such a thing as emailing them?I would, give me where to do it?
     
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    Man, if they slow down the USO, Roddick stands to get hosed.
     
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    The story everyone should focus on is the fact that Roger finally faced real adversity in the finals of a Major for the first time and he passed. In the past his talent allowed him to secure safer victories but today he faced his toughest opponent in the 5th set of his favorite major. He had everything to lose and if it was anyone else they would have choked and lost.

    Federer slowed his champion's heart today. I'm more impressed he pulled this one out than if he had beaten Nadal in 3 easy sets. Wilander will have to eat his words.
     
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  38. Kim

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    I have to agree with Spencer. This was an acid test for Roger, and he passed!!!

    Many complainers out there say that Roger cannot be the greatest yet because he hasn't had that "DRAMA" of a match yet. Those people would have to revise their point of views RIGHT ABOUT NOW.
     
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    ...maybe he will carry this "scrapper's" mentality to the French Open and wrest it from Nadal in 2008?? I hope so :)
     
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    Rafa isn't the only one. Alot of players who are considered "clay court" or "slow hardcourt" players are making in roads at Wimbledon, such as Gasquet (primarily a clay court / slow hardcourt player, hits with heavy topspin off both sides), JCF (what the heck, a counter puncher making this deep of a run, and taking a set off Federer?), and Hewitt in that marathon match (rallies that lasted ages against Djoko). It's rediculous. If you wanted to be fair, why don't you just speed up the clay at the French Open to give American players a better chance?
     
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  41. ACE of Hearts

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    Exactly, speed the clay up for players that dont like the slow stuff.
     
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  42. Nadal_Freak

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    Everytime Rafa does well, someone complains about the speed of grass. Federer still had 25 aces on this slowed down grass. Maybe not as good as it used to be but still a good amount of aces.
     
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    haha - admittedly, that was very slow. The bounces near Federer's ears raised my eyebrows.

    Doesn't change the fact that Nadal's effort is astounding and that he probably should have won, but I am hoping for a continuation of fast, fast tennis on the US Open courts.

    Anything else would be cringeworthy.
     
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  44. BigServer1

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    Hold on there partner. While I agree with your post completely, it was YOU who after Federer's win in Hamburg said: "It played like an Orange hard court with some dirt on top." None of us are totally innocent for excuse making.
     
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    Yeah I was wrong. Hamburg was slow but low bouncing. The conditions seem to make a huge difference between these 2 players. Hot and dry favors Nadal and cold and humid favor Federer.
     
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  46. War Safin!

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    I don't often agree with your posts, Gorilla...but this one I'm with you 100%.
    It's just not Wimbledon anymore and has made me like this Slam
    less and less with each passing year.
     
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    Well if everyone thinks Wimbledon played like clay this year how do you explain Roddick getting to the quaterfinals in dominant fashion instead of getting bounced first round? :D
     
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    It doesn't play exactly like clay - but I'm pretty sure from what everyone is saying (pros) - the surface is slower than either Rebound Ace or Deco-Turf now....
     
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    Thanks for the insight. It DOES seem the grass is getting slower and slower.......perhaps not. ;)

    As for the Fed or Rafa bashing, NONE here! I think they are both great players and we are lucky to have them around right now to push one another to greater and greater heights.

    I DO prefer Fed's game, but certainly respect Rafa.

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  50. The Gorilla

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    it wasn't playing like clay until a day or two ago because the weather was so cold, it was more like USO speed, yesterday and today it was like clay.
     
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