Wimbledon should re-seed...

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  1. gopokes

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    I understand that Rafa has his reasons, but it's a pity that he waited so long to withdraw - If he had pulled out earlier, Wimbledon could have been more fair to the rest of the field in terms of seeding. If I have one criticism, it is that he should have pulled out earlier, especially when he anticipates being out a month or more. It hosed the rest of the field. It would be nice if Wimbledon would redo the draw. Has a major ever revamped the draw after a last-minute pull-out by a prominent seed?

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  2. malakas

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    No it shouldn't.The rules are rules and are here to be followed.The end.
     
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  3. batz

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    The draw is fundamentally OK. Top 2 in separate halves, next 2 split between them
     
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  4. clayman2000

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    The draw is about as even as possible. Now in reality, Roddick is the top player in quarter 1, and Del Potro is his QF matchup. While it does open up Djokovic' quarter, Haas is more than capapble of filling the void
     
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  5. shawn1122

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    I'm not sure if I understand, Federer will still be labeled as the number 2 seed for the entire tournament? That makes no sense to me, if the number 1 doesnt show up then they should add 1 to everyone's seeding. The draw itself is fine, its just that Federer should be the number 1 seed of the tournament and murray number 2.
     
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  6. Warriorroger

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    Agreed, that's what they did when Seles pulled out in 1991 and Graf was number two at the time.
     
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  7. Kostas

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    It's purely aesthetic.

    I don't see how it really matters.
     
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  8. Moose Malloy

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    Look up the draw to '99 AO. No #1 seed that year (he pulled out after the draw was made)

    Like others have said it makes no big difference. The draw is mostly balanced, who cares what that # next to their name says.
     
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  9. Nadal_Freak

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    Nope. The possibility of Fed getting Del Potro on his half would devastate Wimbledon. Keep it as it is.
     
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  10. wangs78

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    I don't disagree but I don't think Rafa should be faulted for a late decision. He clearly wanted to try everything he could (which includes waiting to the last minute) to be physically ready for the tournament. In the end, turned out he wasn't so he withdrew. I think any #1 seed and reigning champion should be afforded that courtesy. Because without him the tournament certainly loses some of its luster. Thankfully, We have enough bright stars in men's tennis such that this isn't a disaster.
     
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  11. nothingfails

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    What is excatly the rule when a seed withdraws in GS ? At RG this year Zvonareva (#6) withdrew after the draw came out and was replaced by a lucky loser. Different rule here.
     
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  12. malakas

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    The rule is different for the first 4 seeds.If Nadal wasn't seeded in the first 4,the same would have happened.
     
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  13. Moose Malloy

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    I think pulling out more than 72 hours before the 1st ball is struck is reasonable.

    No. And if they did, the players would have a fit.

    This draw is fine, in other majors I can remember where a top seed pulled out there was just a LL in his spot(resulting an unbalanced draw, at least seeds are in every spot here)

    Here, I'll reseed for you.

    The top 16 are now:

    1 Fed
    2 Murray
    3 Djokovic
    4 Del Potro
    5 Roddick
    6 Verdasco
    7 Simon
    8 Tsonga
    9 Gonzo
    10 Cilic
    11 Davydenko
    12 Soderling
    13 Safin
    14 Robredo
    15 Ferrer
    16 Blake

    and look at how the projected draw is for these players:

    4th Round
    1 vs 12
    6 vs 8
    16 vs 11
    14 vs 3
    2 vs 13
    9 vs 7
    4 vs 15
    11 vs 5

    looks like only 2 matches in this round are affected by Nadal's pullout. Verdacso (6) vs Tsonga (8) & Blake(16) vs Cilic(11).

    QF's
    1 vs 6
    3 vs 11
    2 vs 7
    4 vs 5

    So Djokovic(3) is the only top 4 seed that can't play a top 8 seed in the QF's.

    Sf's
    1 vs 3
    2 vs 4

    No change here. And the final can still have the 2 highest ranked players in the draw. Sounds good to me.
     
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  14. pudelko

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    Maybe Nadal waited to see the draw before he withdrew, just to see what opponents he may come up against?

    Then again if he is this badly injured what difference would it have made.
     
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  16. Moose Malloy

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    here's an article. I don't get how 'only 5 changes' resulted from moving everyone up one spot.

    no wonder seles was treated so harshly (grunto-meter, etc) the next year.

     
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  17. DoubleDeuce

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    I agree. The whole seeding structure has now changed.

    Why did he need to wait to the last minute? This is crap.
     
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  18. フェデラー

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    Murray is screwed he has to play Robert Kendrick who is a beast on grass. He lost to Nadal in 5 sets in 2007 first round.
     
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    OMG OMG oMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG MURRAY IS SO SCREWED!
     
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  20. gopokes

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    Thanks for the breakdown Moose - You're right - the draws are at least decent as they stand. I guess the bigger issue is that if Rafa really needs a month or more to recover from his injuries, it had to be apparent to him and his team that competing at a major at 100% was out of the question - there's little imho that can be learned from two days at an exhibition that wouldn't be revealed in practice weeks before, especially with a chronic injury as Rafa seems to have. It's unfortunate enough to not have the world #1 in the tournament, and even more so if the rest of the field isn't optimally seeded as a result of the pull-out. As Moose points out, it's not a huge difference in potential match-ups, but it's not optimal either. Maybe it's small potatoes, but I think an earlier pullout would have been more appropriate under the circumstances, but that's water under the bridge now.
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