With each passing season, doesn't Federer get worse?

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    Grass is green.
     
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    Sad thing nowadays is that, when I come to the boards and take a look, I can't really tell sarcastic/ironic/surrealistic posts from actual stupid posts.
     
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    With a lucky draw, red hot players taking out his nemesis Nadal and Djoker early, he still can win one more major. Once Rafa gets married to Xisca, you cannot expect the same level of intensity from him on the tennis courts. Very few people came back still firing on all cylinders after marriage.
     
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    Nadal is not getting married.
     
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    Nadal is already married.
     
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    No, he isnt.
     
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    I think so, yeah.
    BTW I read some rumours (?) that Fed is planning to play a couple of exho's in South America (where he has never ever played before) at the tail end of the 2012 season. Should that be true, it surely feeds my suspicion that he might indeed call it quits at the end of 2012. I hope not.
     
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    Your posts are stupid, even you information under you intended to be funny is actually stupid. Sad thing when people like you who don't make any sort of contribution yet have the ability to post what is stupid from sarcasm.


    OP, this will be my first serious post in this thread, just for the sake of it, because there is a lot of talk whether it's just because of other players improving............



    Federer's footwork has took a major decline over the years, since 2007 even. It's natural, he's getting older. He's not moving like he did at 22 and never will. Most people don't actually understand Federer's footwork is essential since he relies on timing and positioning more than any other player in the game. When his footowork took a hit, so did his consistency with that FH, along with not being as fast as he was.



    The other guys getting better excuse for Federer's lack of slams in the last couple of seasons is ridiculous; I say about three, maybe four players would make the all-time list in terms of techical skill, three of them reside in this current crop, one resided in both eras, and a guy who retired seasons ago. You can't compare eras.
     
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    Yes, Fed is getting very slightly worse every season as he ages.

    What that means is that in the past, he was the favorite against anyone on hard court, and favorite against all except one player on clay.

    Now, he is probably only 2nd or 3rd favorite (depending on the exact circumstances) on both clay and hard.

    That's the bad news.

    The good news is that there are still only 2 guys who he has <50% chance against on any given day. So all it takes is for those 2 to stumble before meeting Fed, or else for Fed to be having a good day / them to be having a bad day.

    Bottom line is Fed is still a slam contender, although his probability % of winning any one particular event is less than it was a few years ago. He just needs a little more help / luck.
     
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    He is winding down that much is certain. I think end of 2012 or end of 2013 and that will be it for him. Just my feeling.
     
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    Yes, the new guns are far more likely to win slams than federina going forward. And yes, Nadal and even Djokovic are much more likely to win slams. But I do disagree with the OP thesis, because the Fred has been improving every year so far. Fred played the best tennis of his career in 2011, but without the weak field it's impossible to win slams anymore with the limited talent.
     
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    True. Nadal lost in the QF at the AO in 2010 and 2011.

    Past prime Fed is still a dangerous player on any given day. It will make it sweeter if he can win a slam in his 30s which some great players have failed
     
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    I don't understand the point of this discussion. Yes, Federer is not as good as he once was. He's 30. What did people expect? For him to get better? Once you're at the top, there's nowhere else to go but down.
     
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    wasn't 2009 worse than 2010 for Rog?
     
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    Don't take those posters seriously when they say Fed is getting better. They are the same posters who said Nadal(5 years younger) has declined.
     
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    IIRC, '09 was all four major finals with two wins...certainly better than '10's one major, one SF and two QF's, no?
     
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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure all of Crazy Man's posts were sarcastic.

    It's things like the title of the thread that are kind of questionable. I just mean that there's nothing to argue about. Yes, he's getting worse. Not his fault, it happens to everyone eventually.

    But thanks TMF!
     
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    What happened to the Every poll result is "Federer in two" thread ?

    Federer certainly getting worse for everyone else.
     
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    You can't have the truth on this forum, he doesn't look so old anymore does he? Who know maybe all the padded excuses will stop.
     
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    Of course they won't. Saturday, it was the wind. Last month, it was yet another broken foot while getting up from a chair. At the end of last year, it was being too-well rested. Oh wait...
     
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    The sad part is that the excuses combine seamlessly together, I'm sick or possibly not sick, my back is hurt or it isn't, my groin... Uh, Oh wait, it is TIRED! No no, it was just a match up issue, that is what it was, or the courts are all now slow as of just this year all of a sudden. LOL
     
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    ...you forgot having to leave the match -- in a really, really bad way -- at 4-5 in the second set, to drop the kids off at the pool.
     
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    No but his tennis still looks very uninspired, subpeak, sloppy and flat, even more now than when he was 24.

    Flu
    Knee
    Shoulder
    Parent's divorce
    Heat stroke
    Pain in famous ***
    Hurt stomach
    Too tired
    Too rusty
    Combination of being too tired and too rusty
    Wind
    Surface too fast
    Too many tournaments on HC
    Schedule too long
    Altitude
    Burned by hot plate
    Broken foot


    Etc. etc.
     
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    dont forget a hot plate with ominous intent and the broken foot that wasnt really broken but kinda felt like it was broken..sorta.
     
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    Federer was sick. However, being the warrior he is, he beat both flu and Nadal in the same night.
     
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    A bad back is a better excuse than a sore throat LOL

    course, I'm sure you know alot about sore throats, right LOLville?
     
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    Damn, will edit it now.
     
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    Now that would be a better excuse, at least it has value! Also, it would explain why his groin was so tired and he could not play anymore.

    Some day Nadal will use that excuse as well since these guys love to use each others excuses so much.
     
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    Yes, it also seems that they've taken permission from Djokovic to use some excuses from his extensive list of mid-match retirements, should they require any at all.
     
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    Federer has been playing the best tennis of all the top 4 since the USO, by some margin, and his record shows it. In these last six months he's won 41 of the 43 matches he played, winning 6 tournaments including the YEC and two Masters 1000. Even if you include the USO, where he barely lost to the top player in the world after having match points, he is 46-3 since then. He is 2-1 on the number 2 since then, and you can check his record against the rest of the top 10 since then. Federer's autumn has not yet gone beyond an Indian Summer that right now looks particularly golden. In this, Federer is not different from many of the all time greats before him who were also perfectly capable of playing at or very near their best level at the age of 30 and beating the best in the business -- all claims to the crippling effects of his age notwithstanding. What all time greats? Well, in receding order: Agassi, Sampras, Lendl, Connors, Laver, Rosewall, Gonzalez...and the historians will give you more names. Unless of course you believe that tennis changes at lightning speed and what was possible yesterday is not possible now. It's a popular belief, based mostly on journalistic illusions.
     
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    Agassi, Connors, Lendl, Laver, Rosewall....Yes, all of them, but not Sampras.

    Sampras played like crap after his Wimbledon'2000 title (i.e. since he was 29 ). He occasionally would play at a high level for one tournament or several matches here and there, but his "average" level went down abysmal after 29 years old.
     
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    I can't believe you managed to turn an innocuous thread about Federer into a Nadal bashing one !

    My bumping this thread had nothing to do with Nadal, just the funny title, I was actually looking for the "Federer in 2" thread.
     
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    2009: Federer made the final of all 4 slams and won RG and WIM.
    2010: Federer won the AO but lost in quarters of RG & WIM.
    2011: Federer won no slams but dominated the indoor season.
    2012: Federer won no slams.
     
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    Such a comedian this guy saying that 3 to 4 years past his prime 2011 Fed was playing his best tennis :) Now that's what we call comedy gold. Well done sir! Well done!

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    Perhaps we jumped the gun with this thread.
     
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    Nothing personal but I do not trust your clairvoyant abilities (or lack thereof).

    It's also ludicrous for you and others to declare that Federer can never beat Nadal and Novak back to back.

    Just a week ago it was an act of delusional thinking to believe that he could get back to number 1, according to some of the deep thinkers here...

    People have been writing him off since 2008. lol
     
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    I like todays Fed (2012) more than 2006-2007 Fed in terms of variety of play and maturity on the court

    He improved his bh a lot and included the dropshot as a weapon, he is more experienced and even though he is playing people 4 or 5 years younger he still dominates them

    Cheers for the New Fed !!
     
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    I think it might be easier for fed to win another slam than regaining no.1.

    He might not even have to play either Djoko or Nadal to do it. If fed could beat Djoko on clay best of 5 sets just a year ago, I'm sure he is physically able to beat Djoko (or Rafa) at Wimbledon or uso.
     
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    You make an interesting point, Federer himself agrees with you. I think the major part was that he went out there and was not afraid of Nadal. Federer just out right intimidated by Nadal, Nadal scares him.

    Federer does not need more excuses, he needs to just go out there an play. If he can keep playing like this who knows how far he can go. I have been saying this as he was racking up all those titles, and almost all his fans kept making old man excuses, and before he defeated Nadal it was match up excuses.
     
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    If we take everything players said as a fact then we also have to agree that Fed would have been even more successful if the surfaces didn't slow down (a theory you continuously attack).

    We'd also have to agree that teenage Fed beat a great playing Sampras at Wimbledon since by Pete's own words his tennis was much better in that period than at his youth yet you continuously use old age excuse for Sampras losing that match and give Fed zero credit.

    Yeah, who knows, he may even get to 16 slams one day, oh wait.

    Since you keep going about the number of titles won like a broken record I'm sure we can also claim then that Nadal was at his peak in 2005 since that's the year in which he won the highest # of titles by some margin (11 titles) yet you continuously refer to Nadal in that period as an undeveloped player not yet at his peak.

    P.S It still remains utterly disgusting and hypocritical as ever criticizing a certain group of fans for making excuses for a 30-31 year old player while at the same time making excuses for your 24-25 year old idol.
     
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    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, vileness pwned again! :twisted:
     
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