without a big forehand is roddick just another Goran?

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  1. The Gorilla

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    he's not very good anymore is he?
    I think with the grass playing like a quick clay court, Roddick is finished as far as wimbledon is concerned, though he's in with a shout as far as the US open is concerned, and possible The aussie open too depending on the speed of the cuort surface they install.


    to the idiots below who can't read:

    The point of this thread is that without his big forehand, ie: he doesn't have a big forehand any more, is roddick now just another ivanisevic/Tanner/Curran etc?
     
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    I think Goran had a better forehand. But I'd say Roddick covers ground along the baseline better and is more patient, even if his shots dont go too fast.
     
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    Unless Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Davydenko get injured at the same time right before a grand slam, I don't like Roddick's chance of winning another slam.

    BUT THEN AGAIN, there's always the chance that Gasquet might knock him out in the quarterfinals or something by hitting 93 winners.
     
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    Roddick has a big forehand? LOL
     
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    Roddick is almost done. He'll fair the best at the US Open, but be a complete sitting duck (no pun intended) at the other majors.

    His serve will get him to the semi at least in New York. Otherwise he's not explosive anymore. He's hitting with more spin (I don't know why) and with much less power. Perhaps Connors was concerned that Andy's high-energy play was taxing on the body.
     
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  6. ShcMad

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    Exactly. If you look at old Roddick videos, he had the ability to flatten out shots once in a while.

    If he keeps playing this way, he'll just become a toy duck (no pun intended) waiting to be played by others, or he'll become a roasted rodduck (no pun intended) waiting to be eaten.
     
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    I think his new heavy spins is to keep his game in play and be consistent, because surfaces are slow and he can no longer blast winners.
     
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  8. latinking

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    Thats a good point
     
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  9. MasterTS

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    What big forehand? sure rod can hit some big forehands but in today's standard its up to par with all the spainards, argentines, and hmm just about anyone..

    Feliciano lopez, nadal, gonzo, massu, verdasco, fed, tipsarvic, berdych, blake, just about anyone has a big forehand lol.. rod needs to either hit with a lot more spin or a lot more pace to break out of the crowd. Right now he's just inbetween.
     
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    Goran had a better serve, in my opinion. More variety and more dominant than Andy's is right now. Andy's was amazing initially, but people put to much hype in it now. I would much rather have Roger's serve than Andy's.

    Everyone talks about Andy's serve and how it sets up his forehand. I have yet to see that win him anything major in the recent past. I think Roger's 'one-two' combination is much superior to Andy's.

    As to your question, well...his forehand is not all that great. As mentioned above--he needs to flatten it out and make it more penetrating. His does not spin like Rafa's and get up as high--yet is not deep and penetrating as Roger's. It's a combination of the two that just does not work.

    I'd take Goran's Wimbledon over Andy's US Open any day....
     
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    If he could compliment his serves with some volleying and/or a better return game it would help him substantially.
     
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    Goran had a better serve, backhand and volleys. Maybe even better speed. Goran was better.
     
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    You guys are ridiculous...Roddick lost 8-6 in the fifth to Gasquet who hit 93 winners in the match...guy is far from done (except at the french of course)...and I dislike the guy...
     
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    That's almost ludicrous to consider. Goran had a astronomically better volley than Roddick and with more variety on his serve, PLUS the ability of coming in behind it and actually have a good percentage he is going to win the point. His forehand was his weaker side, but seriously, that's almost a joke.... Roddick's forehand was always troublesome. Whether Wimbledon grass is playing slower now or not, I do not believe Roddick could come back and win the championship somewhat after his prime as Goran did. His game is being and has been bypassed by his generation let alone the next upcoming, playing between them as Goran did.
     
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    The difference between Goran and Andy is that Goran actually won Wimbledon. I can think of least a dozen or so players off the top of my head in the top 100 who have forehands as good or better than Roddicks. Without that great serve Roddick would not even have a sniff at the top 50.
     
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    ....and Goran is way more entertaining...
     
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    Was my first thought...Goran actually won it, and after his prime even.
     
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    No, Roddick is not just another Goran. Goran could play on clay. Goran moved pretty well.
     
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    Well...let's see. Roddick can't hit down-the-line backhands or crosscourt backhands with power; his volleys look unnatural and his touch at net is mediocre at best; his forehand used to be a weapon but now it's a floater; his serve has gotten more predictable and less powerful as time went by; his return of serve is pretty much non-existent thus making opponents out-ace him; his court sense is non-existent; it's painful to watch him trying to move around the court huffing and puffing.

    I'll tell you one thing. I could deal with those problems and still manage to like Roddick, but I don't. Why? Because when the guy is on court, he constantly tries to get inside the opponents' head by trying to intimidate them unnecessarily. Whenever the opponent challenges a call, Roddick always laughs out loud and stares at the opponent as if saying "How dare you think my ball was out?" That's what the challenge system is there for, buddy. To be used.
    Whenever Roddick's falling behind and makes a comeback, he feels like he has the right to insult and stare down at the opponent as if he's saying "What now?" If you see the Roddick-Tsonga match at this year's AO, you'll hear him say the eff-word towards Tsonga after Roddick hit a winner. When Tsonga clearly didn't do anything to offend him.
    For whatever reason, I don't think that's the right way to pump yourself up.
    It's funny how you only see this when Roddick is playing players of low-caliber. If he acted like that against Safin, he would jump over the net and probably choke him or something.

    All these unnecessary Roddick antics made me realize how much I love seeing Roddick play Roger.
     
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  20. quest01

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    Roddick doesnt have a big forehand?
     
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    His forehand is big for tennis standards, but for pro standards its nothing.

    Blake, djok, Andreev, Verdasco, Ginepri, Federer, nadal, gonzo, PHM, Gasquet, feleciano lopez, baggy, tursunov, korolev, querrey, del potrol, and just about anyone in the top 30 has big forehands. What makes roddick's stand out? Nothing!!! If anything, rod's forehand just sits up for others to pound.

    Look what happen to rod when he exchanged baseline rallys with nadal earleir this year lol
     
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    When Roddick still had his big FH, maybe then he was "another Goran." Which is to say a player who earns his keep with a gigantic serve, but has plenty more to hurt you with, and will thus contend in slams.

    To equate the modern-day, less potent Roddick's game with Goran's is a disservice to Goran, and a ****-poor analogy. Goran was a fine all courter, who could serve you off the court, rally at a very high level, and play the net just fine. He had a far more complete game than Roddick, and was a much greater threat, relative to his peers. He simply wasn't quite lethal enough to get over the Sampras hump on the biggest stages.

    The 2007 Roddick doesn't seem much of a threat to contend for any meaningful title. The days when he was perpetually "almost there" seem to be in his rear view mirror.
     
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    Goran had a better forehand, backhand, could actually volley and was entertaining and amazingly passionate about the game. Its just no contest for Goran really.

    I agree with what I think is the point of this thread though, that Roddick is basically a serve and a half decent groundstroke
    Roddick without the forehand is a Philippoussis, enough said.
     
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    Thats a disgrace to the man of age of love..

    Philippoussis has much more directional control over his serve. Skud hits a lot more aces and knows how to volley. Roddick on the other hand just tries to blast the ball as hard as he can, which is why he doesn't get nearly enough aces.
     
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    Roddick definately has more than just a serve keeping him inside the TOP 5, Karlovic is the perfect example of just a player with just a serve and he's only gotten to no. 40. His forehand may not be as big as it used to be, but I've seen loads of improvement in the backhand and his volleys in the
    Gasquet match actually looked good.

    And to say Roddick lost that match is almost ridiculous, Gasquet was playing out of his mind and Roddick still took him to two tiebreaks and deep into the third; Gasquet completely earned it.
     
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    Its true that his serve is much better. I guess what I was aiming for with that is that I feel that Philippoussis is all serve and volley. Roddick without the forehand is just the serve i.e. no groundstroke weapons

    I take it from the Skud moniker that you're from that part of the world?
     
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    Like most people here I think Roddick's forehand and groundstrokes in general have no penetration - they land midcourt as opposed to deep. He doesn't have the action Nadal has where Nadal can do that and get the ball to jump off the court, even on the higher bouncing grass now. Roddick just doesn't have inspiration - inspiration to improvise.

    If your technique is not fundamentally sound, then it's hard to try something in the heat of battle and improvise, especially on the volleys.

    It's hard to explain why such a strong looking guy has such lack of penetration on his shots. Maybe that's proof that timing is so important. This is just my opinion but the type of game Roddick wants to play, that racquet doesn't help.

    I don't know what else to say - I can't see him ever winning another slam title. I also agree about his intimidation tactics. I've never seen him try it on Federer, in fact, he is usually busy hanging his head. That's the signs of a bully who meets his match.
     
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    but phillopoussis has the biggest groundstrokes the game has ever seen

    What are you talking about?
     
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    The guy lost 8-6 in the fifth to 93 winners...what are you talking about????
     
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    Without the forehand Roddick just has a serve. Goran had volleys and could play the net. Roddick not so much
     
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  31. laurie

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    What do you mean, he lost the match didn't he?

    Gasquet had inspiration, he got on a roll from a losing position. Precisely the sort of thing Roddick is not capable of because Roddick can't hit those type of winners off both wings. So you validate my point - thankyou.

    Roddick will most likely never win a slam title again.
     
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    Roddick probably wont win another slam, though with Nadal and Federer you can say that about just about everyone else on tour as well. But Roddick's forehand is not pentrating? Are you watching the guy play at all? I personally really dislike the guy but the guy has a ridiculous forehand...I don't understand the rips on him for that (his on and off court behaviour please do rip away).
     
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    Are you in stuck in the year 2004? There are easily 50 guys on the tour who hit bigger forehands.

    btw everyone except Federer and Nadal must be really bad at tennis since they are ranked lower than a one-dimensional guy who serves worse than Federer(funniest quote of the day so far) and has no ground game or movement or volleys.
     
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    WHAT??????????
     
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    iamke55 is right. Federer's serve overall is the best on tour, except for Karlovic perhaps, and better overall then Roddick's serve. Federer does everything better then Roddick, even the serve, always has done everything better then Roddick, except in the early days Roddick was maybe mentally tougher then Federer but those are in the past now. There is more to a serve then MPH, and Federer has everything else on the serve except MPH over Roddick. It is amazing Roddick even beat him once honestly. Roddick has a superior serve to Nadal atleast, but Nadal is much better then Roddick in every other facet of the game.

    Roddick's forehand used to be one of the bigger ones but not anymore. Gonzalez, Andreev, Federer, Nadal, Blake, Moya, Davydenko, Djokovic, and many others have bigger forehands then he has.

    I honestly think a large part of his still being ranked in the top 5 is his determination. He does not get enough credit for how hard he fights every match, and how much he tries out there. He gives alot more effort then some of the other guys who dont have his determination, and that is part of the reason he is ranked so high with his limited skill set. He also has one of the best serves, although Federer's is still better. He also has a pretty good forehand, and decent in some other areas, although not among the best in anything else. To be honest he is a huge overachiever to be where he is, and if nothing else I applaud him for that. He wont win another slam title, nor does he deserve to win one. There are many more talented guys out there who deserve it more then he does.
     
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  36. superman1

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    I guarantee you that Federer would take Roddick's serve over his own any day.
     
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    As for Goran, the rest of his game outside the serve was much worse then Roddick's, even though Roddick's remainder of his game isnt that great either. However Goran's serve was even more outstanding, which is their mutual best asset. I am guessing the latter is more important then the former, although neither are complete players by the wildest stretch of the imagination. Goran was also a headcase, without Roddick's consistency or determination. I dont know which one I would take, except both won 1 slam, that is about right for both I think.
     
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    Roddick's serve is more powerful, but I don't think it's better than Goran's.

    Like most everyone else nowadays, Roddick just basically bludgeon's the ball in. When it was on, Ivanisevic's serve had great placement (who else could serve that waaayyy out wide?), employed better spin and had superior disguise.

    On grass, he volleys much better than Roddick too.

    Those aside (and to his credit though), Roddick's ground game is arguably better.
     
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    I dont find Goran had a good volley at all either. He missed tons of easy volleys in the net, and almost never made tough ones the rare times he had them. Billie Jean King and John Llyod commentating for HBO in the 90s both said they didnt think he ahd a good volley at all. He only came to net since he serve was so huge it was easy to hit a volley most of the time, not because his game up there was any good.
     
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    I hate Roddick, i think he is overrated but i am not an Ivanisevic fan.Roddick does more on hardcourts then Ivanisevic ever did.Imagine if there was no Federer, Roddick believe it or not could have like 3 to 4 slams now.
     
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    Nah I don't think so. Roddick's serve is power, Federer's more of placement. Plus that jerky motion of a serve that Roddick uses with his motion has no place in Federer's repetoir of beautiful strokes.
     
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    Federers serve has power, placement, direction, spins, accuracy, deception, variety. Roddicks just has power.
     
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    Yes i agree Roddick's serve is too ugly looking for Federer to inherit.
     
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    I guarantee you that Roddick would rather trade his serve for 1/10 of Federer's natural talent.
     
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    Roddick's serve is without a doubt better then Federer's, and to any of you that are actually serious about Roddick's forehand you've lost your minds amidst your dislike of the guy. I have despised the guy since playing him in Zonals in the 12's but comon...the guy has probably the best serve in the world and a top 7 forehand...which is enough to keep him top 5 for a pretty damn long time...and whats with the "deserve" comment? Who deserves to win one? What does that even mean...
     
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    Quoted for truth.

    But they've had similar careers actually. 1 Slam and a number of runner up trophies. Guess it shows how the depth of men's tennis has changed.
     
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    Federer's serve is better then Roddick's serve.Roddick's serve is just a fastball.Fed's serve has placement and disguise.I rather have Fed's 120 plus then Roddick's 130 and 140s with ****ty placement.
     
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    Look at Roddicks match vs Igor Andreev at the French Open. Forehand winners were something like 40 to 3 for Andreev. So if Roddick really has a top 7 forehand, then I guess Andreev must have the best forehand in history or something.
     
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    Roddick is a one-dimensional player to be sure, but other then an even more amazing serve what on earth was great about Ivanisevics game. I have watched him play many times and I agree with what Cliff Drysdale and Fred Stolle, two respected tennis experts both said about him. They said if you return his serve he is completely out to sea.
     
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    Better? Faster maybe than Federer's but not better. If you can win a point alone with your serve then it's easier to measure the "betterness" of a serve otherwise what you do with your serve and anything after that constitutes a goo d serve.
     
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