Women's Tennis finally has a legit number one with Victoria Azarenka.

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  1. Amelie Mauresmo

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    After the void the WTA's been in from 2009 until 2012 it is nice to see a young number one who actually wins grand slam singles titles. Caroline Wozniacki was the worst number one ever because that girl couldn't win a slam. Being number one isn't just about winning meaningless titles it is about standing up to pressure, fighting off opponents and winning slam titles.

    I wasn't sure last year, because plenty of players win one grand slam and that's it. I think it to be a real champion to be a real contender a player needs to win 2 slams or more. It just makes the player more special in my humble opinion. Winning one slam can be a fluke, having a special moment or a good draw.

    But the ability to rise to the occasion and win a second grand slam singles title says a lot about a player that she is for real.

    I wasn't sure if Victoria Azarenka was for real but she confirmed it by winning her second grand slam title today. This is huge for women's tennis. After all the crap with the slamless number ones, the WTA finally has some stability. The rest of the women better watch out and that includes Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova. Victoria Azarenka has proven she's for real and she's a fighter. Victoria is better than Maria she's a real athlete she trains hard, she moves well, she has variety in her game, she can volley well too.

    I expect Victoria to win more slam. Not sure about the French Open because clay is Victoria's worst surface and she's only won one clay court title in her career. But the other three slams Victoria is definitely a legit threat.

    The only thing Victoria needs to work on is her serve, her serve isn't big enough I feel she's a big strong girl almost six feet she should be serving over 110 mph or higher.
     
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    Got lucky Serena was injured and Li injured herself in the final.
     
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    Love her, but still think Serena still has her number by virtue of outgunning her on serve.
     
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  4. forzamilan90

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    Maybe, maybe not. Serena ain't winning the FO though. Not a chance. I certainly think Azarenka would go way deeper there, and should they meet possibly beat her.
     
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    Unfortunately she is unlikable in every way :/
     
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    Azarenka has only won one non-hardcourt title. Similar to Wozniacki in that she only is a real factor on hardcourts. She leaves much to be desired on clay and gets doused by an inform hard-hitter on grass.

    When she's focused, she's quite the stubborn hard-working player that's earned #1. I still don't think she is a complete #1 until she becomes a contender on non-hardcourt surfaces. That and be more professional (for example, her retirements and walkovers). She's someone you either love or strongly dislike. I don't think she wants it any other way.

    I still haven't forgiven her for tanking the YEC 2011 match with Bartoli. Somehow she felt no desire to play it since she clinched the group and got booed off. Yet, Kvitova played out all her matches and went 5-0 to win it.

    She's only beaten Serena ONCE in their 12 meetings. 10 of Serena's wins were straight sets. Serena went 5-0 last year against her. Federer gets flack for his H2H with Nadal, but this is a complete rout.

    Do I think she is the best full-time player? I guess. Do I give her the upper hand in facing someone like a healthy or focused Serena? No.
     
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    Sure, she's a legit #1 but really there's very little to like about her.

    The screaming alone is intolerable. The phantom injuries. And the camp that she has. I get having friends from other industries, but seriously RedFoo? The guy looks like he was spat out of the 90's garbage disposal.
     
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    Serena would still destroy her. VA got lucky with the draw. very lucky.
     
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    One Slam titles in the last year-ok, let's say last 2 Slam titles, to Serena's two plus an Olympic title. And, I think, as a tiebreaker, most folks would rather have a Wimbledon and US Open rather than 2 Aussie Opens. You know what's another recognized tiebreaker? Head to head results. Vika doesn't come out so well in that comparison, either. Doesn't sound so legit to me...
     
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    How about a nice body? :D
     
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    Serena had 2 slams, YEC, and the Olympic Gold. Won two events on clay as well. I like Azarenka, but Serena excelled on all surfaces (excluding the FO disaster).
     
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    She has nice legs, but I think she's packed a few extra pounds in the off-season. Maybe she stole a few of Pavlyuchenkova's meals or sampled on Sugarpova.
     
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    At least Victoria is winning grand slams and as for not facing Serena well that's not her problem. The WTA needs a number one who can handle pressure and unlike Jankovic, Safina, Wozniacki women's tennis finally has that with Azarenka. Azarenka is tough she's doesn't care if the public like her or not as she proved defeating Li Na in the Australian Open final.

    There is something that Petra Kvitova and Caroline Wozniacki lack that Victoria Azarenka has and that's mental toughness. Azarenka doesn't care if the media or fans like her either she's out there to win and she does. Victoria beat the women who she had to face and she won the event. Women's tennis needs Victoria Azarenka she's doing excellent. Can Victoria improve? Of course, she needs to improve on clay she hasn't won a big clay court title yet. And as I said before Azarenka needs a better serve.

    But unlike say Petra Kvitova I see Azarenka as a hard worker someone willing to put the hours in the gym. Kvitova probably has more talent than Azarenka yet she's lazy she's overweight and uses excuses about her health to justify not working hard in the gym. Lindsay Davenport told sports illustrated that Kvitova makes too many excuses and she needs to lose weight and I agree.
     
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    Well, it's certainly her problem when she DOES face Serena, and a legit Number One who has to pray that somebody else dispatches the next ranked player is not going to get full support from the public as the best player, no matter what the computer says-particularly when you factor in dubious tactics, i.e. the shrieking, which more than one Hall of Fame player thinks is cheating, and using MTOs to quiet "panic attacks."
     
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    Didn't know until 2 days ago that he was Berry Gordy's son. How the hell did he grow around Motown and dance like that? That attempt at same I saw has Berry spinning in his grave...oh, wait, he's not dead yet. Well, the dancing will PUT him there, lol.
     
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  16. NadalAgassi

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    I dont agree Azarenka cant win the French. I think she has a better shot at the French than Wimbledon personally. Although I could see her getting the Career Slam considering even Sharapova could do it. Will never dominate grass or clay, but could win 1 at each sometime in her career. Most of her slams will be on hard courts though. Yes she is a legitimate #1. While she needs to beat Serena in a big match to gain full validation as the best player, she is the first #1 in a long time who combined consistent play, a regular tour schedule, and ability to contend for and actually win the big titles. Definitely what the WTA needs, and the rightful heir apparent to the great Serena Williams.
     
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    "Not a chance" seems inconsistent with "Possibly beat her" unless you have some OTHER big favorite you haven't mentioned. Saying that Serena has "not a chance" to win ANY tournament is, IMO, short sighted, to say the least.
     
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    Madam gamesmanship.
     
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    I agree with this.
     
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    I can't stand Azareka after this tournament. I never liked her much because of her on court screeching/grunting/wailing, I don't even know what to call it. But now after her behavior at this AO I really like her even less if that's possible (and I am not American so don't bring Sloane into it).
     
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    Anyone who's dating Redfoo should be automatically stripped of her ranking.
     
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    Notice the frosty handshake at the net? I think Li Na let it be known what she thinks of the AO Champion.
     
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  23. TERRASTAR18

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    you never know until they play......remember it was serena,errani and sharapova who dominated the clay court season last year.....
     
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    you could just mention the 2 slams and the yec and that would be enough for me.
     
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    Fair assessment. Azarenka has modifed her game from her early days to actually use--and not be afraid of--the entire court. As much hype as the scattered Kvitova recieved for claiming she admired Martina's performances at Wimbledon, she lacks the full court understanding and use. Azarenka was supposed to be nothing but a ball basher, but she's taken control of her game and expanded it. She knows that is the only way to have an edge over the competition.



    Agreed. I'm not sure if she's complete enough--at present--to win Wimbledon against a healthy Serena, but she will eventually win a title there. She's no Seles or Henin--two players who had assbrained approaches to that surface and against those who mastered it.

    No argument there.


    We will see. Of this new generation, she's the only one suited to win several majors, as Kvitova needs a shrink, Bartoli needs to dump Dr. Bartoli, and Woznicaki is a joke in need of a dream draw.
     
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    Serena's FO record as of recent years is not so hot, and that generally is her weakest slam. Add to that the injury she picked up and uncertainty of how long it'll take to recover, get back in form, etc. only adds to my opinion that she's not winning the FO. I'd favor anyone in form heading into the tourney. I think Azarenka could win it, Sharapova again, any of the good clay courters (Schiavone, Errani, etc.). I think these are people that are safer bets to go far and consistent in the tourney.
     
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    I thought Vika only played OK today. She can play better.

    Against Serena, Vika may struggle except on clay. Obviously, Serena has the best serve, but once past the serve, I think Vika is a better player.

    Other than Serena, I think Vika can beat them all. Sharapova on a good day has a shot.

    But, Serena will be tough at Wimby. I don't see Serena losing unless she is injured or someone plays lights out.
     
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    You don't say "not a chance" with any of those other players, but you go out of your way to use the phrase to use it in describing Serena, even though none of those players have won more French Opens than Serena has, and some of them haven't won it at all. I think we'll agree to disagree.
     
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    As long as she can take those medical timeouts for choking. Good to know that choking is now a medical condition. Tightness of ribs. I've never heard of ribs getting tight. They are bones right?
     
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    Let's see some trash talking and punches thrown next time. Now that would be awesome.
     
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    Luck had nothing to do with it. The ATP Brisbane tournament prior to the Aussie Open saw AZA ready to face Serena. She backed out because of a claimed 'toe injury'. If she had have faced Williams, and most likely lost the match, she would not have had the #1 seed in the AO..... No luck there at all. Coupled with the 'rib injury' against Stephens makes for one poor sport. She's a flake.:mad:
     
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    Um, no.

    Victoria has beaten Serena ONCE and most of their matches did not come down to Serena simply serving better.

    Also, Serena's record as a player is vastly superior to Victoria's.

    Hard to sell that Victoria is the better player, LMAO.
     
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    ^^^^
    Now you're talking!!!


    "The two ladies are bobbing and weaving on either side of the net .... Azarenka's eyeing Serena Williams warily while Williams has her steely intimidating gaze fixed squarely on her opponent ... Azarenka trying to use her height and reach to keep Williams at a distance reaches over the net and throws a flickering jab that Williams brushes away ... Williams counters with a jab of her own and another jab ... Azarenka is starting to howl .... Azarenka flicks another jab and follows up with a short right cross which ,,,,,, [size=+1] "BOOM!" [/size] ,,,, Serena staggers Azarenka with a crushing left hook to the ribs!!! .... Azarenka cannot breathe!! .... she's now trying to catch her breath!! ... Azarenka appears to be choking!! .... Azarenka's now calling for the trainers, looking to take a MTO!! .... Williams fires another left hook [size=+1] "BOOM!" [/size] .... DOWN GOES AZARENKA!!!...DOWN GOES AZARENKA!!!...DOWN GOES AZARENKA!!!....the chair umpire continues the count '7...8...9...' .... it's over!! ... it is all over!!! .... Serena Williams knocks out Victoria Azarenka at :32 seconds of the 1st round! .... Azarenka is still out cold!!! ... she's just lying there unconscious, farting and howling in her sleep! ..... "
     
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    er....wow.....:shock:
     
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    Taking slowfox's joke and running with it with another (obvious) over-the-top joke.

    Sorry but any righteous indignation (feigned or not) ain't gonna fly here, mi amigo. :neutral:

    ".... later, from inside the oxygen tent installed back in her dressing room, an out-of-breath Azarenka met with reporters and stated unequivocally 'there will be no rematch' while autographing copies of Dr. Henry Heimlich's book 'Azarenka & Me' ...."
     
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    Been thinking that Vika doesn't have to be a popular number 1. Heck, Lendl wasn't the most liked during his reign.
     
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    Not really, she's a bit frumpy. She looked like she put on a few during the off season as well.
     
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    Skinny girls look great in them cute WTA outfits, but naked they're kinda like 12-yr-old boys. Naked, Vika would be more *womanly*. :wink:
     
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    Put the lotion away.
     
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    Oh no, it's all over my laptop now... hahahahaha :lol:
     
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