Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by player69, Sep 17, 2004.
Has anyone tried this? Does it really work?
The Wonder Wedge does work. It works because it locks in your grip whichever that may be. It forces a good grip change and the ellevated bevel gives you better feel for the grip of your choice.
For the onehanded backhand it is excellent. Becuase of the elevation it promotes, you will feel your hand gain strength around the handle, this obviously promotes solid contact. For the twohander it works very well and promotes proper hand placement for the grip of choice.
It is ideal to learn fast grip changes as you can really feel how your fingers lock in.
You can also generate a hell of a lot more spin. Because the hand is firmer on the grip, there is less twisting in the hand, especially if you sweat a lot. Because there is less twisting, off center shots feel like they are on center. Spin becomes massive because of how stable the racquet is in your hand.
If you use a SW grip with a windshield wiper motion, you can really crank the racquet up the back of the ball becuase of the increased leverage you get from the Wonder Wedge.
Spin serves gain tremendous kick. You can really crank up the spin in the ball.
It works but like anything it takes time to get used to it. It is an approved USTA product. Which means that you dont have to worry about someone trying to disqualify you from an improperly enhanced racquet. When you purchase a Wonder Wedge you also get a document illustrating that the Wonder Wedge is an approved product that can be used on the racquet for USTA tournament play.
Of all the things that have changed in racquet technology, the handle of the racquet remains virtually unchanged. This is a revolutionary product.
Whats a Wonder Wedge?
Whats a Wonder Wedge?
Thanks for the detailed information. I love this game, but it is very fustrating at times. My tennis skills have been like a roller coaster ride. One month I'll be loving my ground strokes and the way I'm hitting. When I'm in this state of mind, I would think that I've found my comfort zone and all I need to do is improve on consistancy. Then the next month, I would be totally lost. I'ld have to start over again to find my grip and forehand. I've been making excuses about the strings and the weather, but I'm sure it's my grip. It seems as if my grip changes every 3 weeks or so.
Do you think the wonder wedge will help? I guess it doesn't hurt to try.
Do you have any other suggestions to help with my grip change?
It works big time. It helps if you are able to analyze your shots in terms of: the grip used, the swing path, the contact point, and racquet head angle, to the results. It might cause you to close your racquet head angle slightly because you will be encouraged to move your hand to the "true grip placement," plus the increased leverage and traction will put more spin and action on the ball. If you are able to understand what is going on and make some minor adjustments to your game you will be amazed at the results.
Read what Bungalo Bill had to say.
Grip changes are a weird thing to practice. At times I often feel like a kid in front of a mirror drawing my pistol to shoot the bad guy. Practicing the grip change is done this way. You need to practice grips changing either in front of the mirror or whereever till it bcomes second nature and boring.
You never know what products can help your game. The cost is so minimal that you really have nothing to lose. I know this that your hand will feel stronger and you will know for sure you are in the right grip (or the wrong grip) for your shots. It does take time to get used to as it enhances the handle. So you need to use it for a good two months.
One thing you will notice right off the bat providing you have good technique is the spin you can generate off the ball.
For Eastern forehand players, kiss those days goodbye of people saying you cant generate as much topspin with an Eastern forehand as compared to a SW or Western forehand player. When they see your ball jump, they will say HOLY COW!
On another note, this is an excellent product for kids as well. Becuase it strengthens the hand and therefore the contact with the ball, it is very possible to teach a young child to hit a onehanded backhand!
I once suggested that this product was not only good for the average player but that it "might" be an excellent item for wheel chair athletes because they have to re-grip the racquet after moving themselves into position. My posts were kinda scoffed at such is life.
Now, I've never tried this particular product but I have recommended it to several players who seemed to have significant problems in either gripping the racquet or found it difficult to change grips. In one case that I know of the individual was extremely pleased with the results.
Before I knew that this product existed, I suggested to several people to use popsicle sticks in a similar manner - underneath the wrap. I think the "wonder wedge" is a much better solution and would work for many.
You know, if the addition of this makes the handle too thick, I would think one could shave down the basic handle a little to compensate -- most handles are wood. Just a thought.
Incidently, a lot of older players loose their grip a little as they age and this also could be an answer.
Did they pay you or give you any sort of compensation for using your endorsement on their website BB?
I also use this product for the same reasons as BB and others mention.
My forehand and backhand has been very inconsistent and unpredictable all summer. At first I thought it was due my summer long wrist tenderness( Which i thought was caused by the Prince Diablo). Then I realized that I stopped using the Wonder-Wedge.
I just reordered one and low and behold the top spin is back.
Great personalized customer service.
Note: If installed correctly, the change in the geometry of the handle will render the grip size is to be almost insignificant.
Note 2: Try installing the WW with the original grip instead of an overgrip. The expanded surface area is very beneficial.
How long has this WW on the market? I was wondering, if it's such a great product, why we never heard any top ranked professional using it? Or is there anyone?
If it's relatively new and takes time for people to get to know it, can we expect a rising young player using this?
No, I have not paid Bungalo Bill but I really need to do something very special for him. His endorsement/testimonial has had even more of an affect them the one I received from the high performance development coach, Peter D. McCraw, when he was at Bollettieri's. Peter is back in Australia now and continues to support the Wonder Wedge. There are not many tennis people that can really capture my attention but when Bungalo Bill speaks/posts, I listen and learn. The guy is fantastic as eveyone on this forum knows.
As far as any professionals using it I haven't a clue. I do know that occassionally I will get some fairly large orders from some of the tennis hot spots in Florida. The Russia Tennis Federation had asked for a number of samples. I have a great testimonial that I am going to put up from a dad in Texas whose son plays in the junior tournaments and is going to be playing in a national boys 18s champs tournament in December. Here is what he said.
So the Wonder Wedge is finally getting out there and who knows.
You got to love the game.
If I use continental for volleys and serves, how would the Wonder Wedge affect me?
I've tried the WW and it feels very weird at first. It only gives you three grip options: forehand, backhand, and continental. If you use any inbetween grips like I do, fuggetaboutit!
The WW is great for the Continental grip for two reasons: 1) Most people extend their index finger (back to the Pistol Grip) when they use this grip on serves, volleys and backhands. Their finger will notch on the beveled tip. This provides a great frame of reference plus it prevents the index finger from sliding down. 2) Because the size of bevel 2 has been increased, the knuckle on the base of the index finger notches on this bevel making this grip so easy to find. The increased leverage and traction will transfer more energy and power to the ball.
You got to love the game.
Hi David, I agree with you, but if you think about it, inbetween grips are difficult to use and find on any shaped tennis racquet handle. In fact I consider the Semi-Western and the Continental inbetween grips because the bevels are so small. The Wonder Wedge takes care of this problem by increasing the size of bevel 2 and bevel 4. Now the knuckle on the base of your index will notch on the increased surface surface area making it easy to find and make the transition to these grips. In fact look at the outline below and you will see that all of the other bevels remain the same size except the bevel for the Eastern forehand grip, but it is still very easy to find.
I've known about this product for a while and must admit that BB's comments have me more interested.
Does this product still work on the narrower grips that are found on some of the Volkl and Head racquets? I think it might be called the tour grip?
The WW is .75 inches wide on the base if that helps. When you take off the grip that your racquet came with, it will probably be very close to that. When you attach it with the tape if the bevel 3 is slightly smaller it will pull the sides down snug anyhow. It is approx. 6.25 inches long and can be cut to accomodate your hand size.
Tim, do you need to decrease your grip size by one if you apply the Wonder Wedge. For instance, I play with a 4 1/2, if I add the WW, it will become slightly larger than 4 1/2 and I might be better of equiping a 4 3/8 with the WW to come close to the 4 1/2 circumference?
More then likely the grip size will be fine. It should be very close. It all depends on just how thick the grip is that you take off your handle. It varies from mfg. to mfg. Keep in mind that the WW changes the whole dynamics of the handle and now is going to fit in your hand differently. Many racquets come with bulky grips which actually obscures all the bevels. When you attach the WW with the tape and them add your favorite overwrap the definition is tremendous for all the bevels.
Andirez, thanks for the question.
Thanks for the quick reply Tim.
One other question: The reason why I am interested in the Wonder Wedge is that I think it might alleviate the stress on my hand due to the increase of the contact surface between the racquet's grip and my hand. Is there any proof that WW reduces the forces imparted on your playing hand by spreading out the contact surface or is this just a matter of trying it out and see if it does the trick?
Since the grip size is about the same with the WW attached it will not increase the contact surface area but it will change the contact points you are currently using because it fits differently in your hand. It is made of Sorbothane, the registered trade mark of Sorbothane corp. which is a fantastic shock absorption material that you see in a lot of running shoes and better tennis shoes. You can't wear it out. Great stuff.
Haha, sorry, but I have a few more questions if you wouldn't mind answering.
First, I have a LM Prestige (for frame reference)..but as on all racquets, the butt cap is bigger than the rest of the handle..(you know how it flares)..how in the bajeebus do you attach the Wonder Wedge on it? Looking at the Wonder Wedge design, it's flat, making it rather difficult, unless cut. That, or leave a gap.
Second, what exactly is Sorbothane? Is it a soft rubber type that's easily cut? Or..?
Third, can you apply your own overgrip to this?
Thanks. Probably going to order one soon, if mail order is an option.
If you go to the site and examine the various photos you will notice that some of the WWs are attached very close to the end of the butt cap and some are about 1/4 inch from the end of the handle. I play with 6 racquets and the WWs are all attached to varying degrees like you described above. When I play with the different racquets it does not seem to make any difference just how closely they are attached to the end of the handle. What I do recommend is that you place a couple of extra wraps of the tape you attach the WW with to really secure the cut end. A side benefit is, if you place enough extra wraps on the end you will build up a slight ridge, which for the power players who like to have part of their hand off the handle, (especially the SW) the end notches underneath the base of the thumb and makes the handle very secure in their hand. Look at some of the Pros handles, some of them are really built up on the end.
"Sorbothane is an innovative visco-elastic material. Although it is a solid, it mimics liquid properties. High mechanical damping, faultless memory, returns to original shape time after time, remains stable over a uniquely broad period of time." That is straight from their brochure. The bottom line is you can't wear it out and it provides fantastic shock absorption. Yes, it is difficult to cut, but it is not hard to cut it straight down with a shape knife.
like you would need to cut the WW to adjust it to your hand size.
Sure, whatever you like, just don't put the grip that your racquet came with back on. This will build up the handle too much. Some customers have told me that they have done that but I just can't imagine.
Yet another question Tim.
Would you say that the Wonder Wedge allows you to loosen your grip a bit more compared to a regular grip (due to the improved contact area)?
I would have to say, "No." You still need to have a firm grip on the handle.
I would like to thank everybody for their interest, and all the great questions asked. It does look like a number of you did visit the site which is greatly appreciated.
Would especially like to thank Bungalo Bill for his excellent comments. He explained the Wonder Wedge much better then the site does, which is not surprising. I know we received a number of orders from the TW forum group because of the many notes saying how much respect they have for him.
For those that tried the WW, thanks. It takes a lot of guts to take the grip off your racquet and attach a foreign object to it and trying to cut it to the size you want, very confusing for most people. You have got to really love the game and have a lot of desire to be the best you can be. Once you get it attached you have to go out, practice, experiment, try to figure out what is going on. Some people think they have died and gone to tennis heaven and make the transition right away, another group will do very well off on side (forehand or backhand) but have trouble with the other but eventually figure it out, others just can't seem to make the transition (very few).
Again, thanks so much for your interest.
Your welcome TT.
I would like to hear from those who have tried the WW. What are your questions? How has it helped.
For those teaching children, this is a great aid in helping them firm up the grip and helping them learn the proper swing path for the grip of choice. The extra leverage is great for their little hands. The best thing is they have no "unlearning" to do!
Okey, I ordered two
Can't wait to try this out and I plan to post a review of how it is working out for me once I receive them
Thanks for the order, it will go out first thing tomorrow morning. Since it is an export order it usually takes 7 to 10 days. Thanks for including the $7.00 export fee, sometimes this confuses people. That is what it cost to send it overseas.
Can't wait for you to give a detailed explanation. There are usually phases people go through. 1) Shock, :shock: ( It will feel different ), 2 ) Making friends with it, getting accustomed to the new feel and how it fits in your hand. :? ( That is why we send out the sheet, "For A Quick Start.") 3) Practice, experimentation, adjustment, all of a sudden you start to understand :idea: 4) Elation, joy, satisfaction, as you make improvements in your game and you realize the other areas of your game that the Wonder Wedge can and will improve. :lol: You will be laughing out loud and send me a great testimonial to put up on my site.
I do hope you share with the forum in some detail your experience as you go through the process. That would be very interesting.
You got to love the game.
Hi Guys, Below is the first response I have received from the forum members who tried the Wonder Wedge, as Bungalo Bill suggested. It is classic in that it highlights a major problem with club players which is, they just don't move their hand well on the racquet handle to find the various grips. Jim, thanks for your input.
I ordered the wonder wedge and tried it out briefly. Here is my first impression.
When you first put your hand on the grip, it is very obvious how the wonder wedge helps you find the correct spot. This was helpful for my backhand since I've recently modified my grip. It didn't make much difference anywhere else since I was already consistently finding my grips ok.
Once you get the base of your index finger planted on the enlarged side bevel, it's also obvious how the wonder wedge can improve spin. I already hit a lot of topspin on my semiwestern forehand and didn't really see much difference with the wonder wedge, but I was looking forward for the possible improvements this would make to my kick serve. I was definitely getting more spin on my serves, but I had trouble trying to reduce the spin and get my normal level of power. It seems like the index finger plays a large role in stability and pronation with the continental grip and I felt that the wonder wedge hampered this. I think I get better support behind the grip when my index finger is against the flat side panel as opposed to the wonder wedge. For the same reason, my forehand volley felt akward.
Because my serve is my strongest and favorite shot, and I wasn't hitting it as well with the wonder wedge, I decided to put my experimentation with the wonder wedge on hold. I'm also working on a few other things that I don't want to disrupt. I plan to give it another try since I don't think that I gave it a fair chance by using it for only an hour, but as of right now I think it might not be for me.
I am certainly not suggesting that this is a bad product. For $10, you can't go wrong giving it a try. I am just sharing my limited experience with it and it may end up that I like it more after giving it another try. The product claims to provide ease in finding grips and improving spin. I have found both of these claims to be true.
Thanks for taking the time to write such a thoughtful and informative response. Very well said. Obviously you are a very high level player who is very serious about his game.
It is going to take time to get used to serving and hitting with the WW. It will take a couple months before ALL strokes feel "normal" again. That is when the biggest gains happen. You really begin to feel the leverage you can get with the WW and can take it to another level.
This just does not come on a few trys or a couple of days.
Can't wait till I get mine
Will definitly keep you all informed on what my experience with the WW is.
No problem! I'm glad you didn't take my post the wrong way.
The second part is true, but I'm not too sure about the first part. At least not yet!
I understand that it takes time to adjust to change, but time will not change the way that the wonder wedge modifies the handle. Would you agree that the side panel is important for leverage and support during pronation? If so, don't you think it makes sense that a smaller side panel would provide less leverage for pronation?
Most changes come with negative consequences, and I think in this case that leverage against the side panel is being sacraficed for leverage against the bevels.
You're right that I don't have enough experience with the wonder wedge to back this up, but I still think it's a plausible argument for discussion.
I guess this argument could even be carried over to the narrow tour handle that is on some Volkl and Head racquets vs the more common handle.
I should also point out that I'm not claiming that the wonder wedge prevents you from effectively pronating, just that it might hinder it a bit. For some, this might not be a concern at all. For me it is.
After all you've said about it, I hope you use it. (or maybe I missed reading it)
I think your right in all of the above, I just know that anything "new" needs to be practiced with for awhile. Especially something that is on the handle. But you got to admit (which you have) you get some good spin with the ball.
I just ordered a couple plus the tape for my two Volkl Cat 4s.
I'm always looking for ways to improve my game or at least my technique. If it helps, then great. If not, then the cost at least is minimal.
Will keep you guys apprised.
I tried it today and I feel the advantage is obviously. However, it isn't easy to handle it for me and I don't like it at all.
I hope you guys tell Tim ways to improve the product as well. Tim already knows what I would like to have. I know he is open to hear your comments.
Absolutely, I have a number of ideas on the drawing board. Also I just received a real slam about the site from someone who just ordered. I greatly appreciated him notifying me of the problem.
I had actually thought that I had finally done a pretty good job and was fairly happy with it. If he only knew how many times I have modified it and tried to present the WW at least clearly enough so people understand the concept. It is amazing over the past few years how many super nice people have contacted me about the Web Site and suggested improvements. I listen and try to implement their suggestions if I can. So if you have any problems with the site or ideas how to improve it, please let me know.
Thanks so much,
Ed (Tim Tennis)
Maybe you could make precut Wonder Wedges for certain brands. The Head handles certainly are way different from Wilson..and perhaps the WW could be cut to match the Head, or expanded, to provide a snugly fit for the Wilson.
It'd also be convienent for the consumer...not having to worry about if it's the right fit.
You are already thinking with me. Thanks. Even thought some of the brands do vary, some of the them are more rectanglear and some are fairly square, the WW can fit on any of them and still provide a great frame of reference and extra leverage and traction, but, but in the future the design could modified to some extent.
I tried Wonder Wedges on two of my racquets, Estusa PBB and Volkl Quantum 10. Both have handle size of 4 3/8. The WW is definitely too wide for Estusa. For Volkl, the WW fits quite well(though still a hair too large).
It would be nice if the WW is available in different sizes. Perhaps with the exception of Head's, the current product seems too wide for any raquets 4 1/4 or smaller.
The Estusa is my current racquet. To use WW, I may have to go back to my volkl.
I'm waiting for the two I ordered last Saturday. I'm hoping they arrive tomorrow ... Ed? =)
I have a pair of Volkl Cat 4s size 4 1/2. I'll let you guys know how they fits and my impressions of it.
Hello Talk Tennis,
Yikes, I hope that is not the case. If you go back to the first comment the forum got on Fri., Oct 1 Actually I copied the E-mail he sent me and posted it for him, he also uses the Estusa PBB and did not mention any problem about the fit on bevel 3. I must admit that I have never tried to attach the WW to the Estusa PBB so I really can't say.
I actually have mine attached to the Gamma, Diamond Fiber Racquets, 4 1/16 which I love and of course they don't make them anymore. I guess the only thing that I can say is that I have never had a comment about the WW not fitting on the racquet handle.
Again, it might be a good idea to make them in different sizes.
Appreciate your comments.
I play with the Volkl Tour 10 V-Engine Mid. It has the tour handle, or whatever you call the handle that is more narrow. The side bevel is just a bit wider than the wonder wedge, but I couldn't tell through the tape and overgrip. The side bevel of the racquet and the bevel of the wonder wedge felt like one big bevel.
Hi Vin, good to hear from you.
Good point about the tape and overwrap, I wish I would have thought of mentioning that in my reply to Talk Tennis.
That is the whole point. The Wonder Wedge increases the size of bevel 2 and bevel 4. This creates the distinctive shape which provides increased leverage and traction and makes it so easy to find and move from grip to grip.
Your Wonder Wedge went out this morning since I received your order Saturday 1:02, the post office closes here at 12.00am. It usually takes 3 days, sometimes 2. So this will give you some time to do a bunch of sit-ups, Chin-ups (How many can you do? I can do 15 with leg weights, on a good day), squeeze those hand grips, run up and down a few hills like Andre', I want you to be ready because I want you to Grip and Rip. I want "results not excuses" :lol:
You got to love the game.
LOL, you havent changed a bit. Still doing those chinups? You know there are places they call "gyms" nowadays. :wink:
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