World Cup Qualifying

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  1. soyizgood

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    Didn't see a thread on this, so here we go.

    How's your team faring? Pumped up? Cringing? Throwing in the towel? Waiting for your nation to put a beating on your hated rival?

    USA, injury and yellow card ridden going in, just spanked Mexico and clinched a World Cup spot. Meanwhile, Costa Rica had to settle for a draw with Jamaica.

    Mexico has gone from Gold Cup and Olympic champs to playing like whiny chumps. Da da da da da.... I'm loving it!!! :twisted:
     
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    I deliberately skipped watching the US v. Mexico game because I had a bad feeling about it, so it's a big relief ! As much as I root against our Southern neighbors when they play against us, it's kind of sad to see them collapse like this.
     
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    I don't know what's up with Mexico. Their best player refuses to play with the team, they fired their manager this late in the qualifying, and their whole offense just looks non-existent. They look nothing like the squad that lit up the US in the 2011 Gold Cup or the team that won the gold medal.

    I think they'll get 4th place at the least. They're too talented to be playing this badly. However, their cockiness and their infighting is doing them in. Honduras, Panama, US and Costa Rica have been showing more effort than them in the qualifying.
     
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    We're through to our third straight World Cup finals, but with an ageing and erratic team.

    Hard to see Australia repeating their Q/F heroics of the recent past.

    lost 6-0 to Brazil in a friendly at the weekend, not good signs at all...
     
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    No shame losing to Brazil as the pressure is on them to perform. Australia usually is competitive in World Cup, so maybe they'll get a decent group.
     
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    What do you guys think about the USA saving Mexico is the WC qualifying ? I wonder if they would have done the same for us.
     
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    I certainly can't complain. Germany is looking strong as usual during the qualies. Expecting another heartbreaking SF/F run at a big tournament.
     
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    Let Mexico eat cake! As a Californian I would LOVE to either see Mexico eliminated or forced to play New Zealand.
     
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    The USA should have just tested out it's young guns against Jamaica and Panama, having already qualified. It would have been sweet to see Mexico not make it.
     
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    Germany is always a contender. USA hasn't been deep at a WC since the 1930's iirc.
     
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    If Mexico continues to play like 8 year old amateurs I don't see them beating New Zealand. Did you guys see New Zealand during the World Cup 2010?? Those players look like professional rugby players rather than football players, i expect them to blow the Mexican ballerinas off the court.
     
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    Find it funny how England gets hyped up again when their really nothing special
     
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    English fans are desperate to feeling relevant. 2010 was supposed to be their year, yet USA won their group. They once again went out silently. Their best players are getting old and/or injury-prone. They better hope for a weak group. Otherwise I don't see them getting any further than USA at this WC.
     
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    Who's hyping them up?

    Pretty much all the papers over here are being realistic about their chances. And you'll barely find any football fans whatsoever who are expecting anything special.
     
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    Deschamps is crapping his pants when he sees the potential opponents of France. At least it won't be Sweden. Just because of Zlatan. If we're allowed handballs like last time it might work.
     
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    Most don't really seem to care. A section of fans and players see the international breaks as a hindrance to their club sides, which is what football is all about here really.

    Hell, I'd take my club side winning the Carling Cup over England winning the World Cup anyday, most people I've asked say the same.
     
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    Sad? ....the same team (and their fans) who despise the US and ruthlessly show it at every opportunity? (the "Osama!...Osama!" chants, throwing bags of urine at US team entering the pitch--this in a game in PASADENA, CALIFORNIA!)

    seriously? ....

    LOL - no way Jose.

    Their coach didn't even acknowledge it, saying that "God" got them in and when asked about the US playing to win in a meaningless game said that the US merely acted the way they should've been expected to--no props whatsoever.

    And Raul Marquez couldn't bring himself to even mention the US. He said after the game "I hang my head in shame....and it's embarrassing for us to qualify like that."
    When the reporter asked him if he had anything to say to the US team, Marquez said "no" then turned and walked away.

    To answer your question: you'd have a better chance of seeing Elvis at a Dairy Queen.

    That said, the Mexican TV announcers "called it" like it was: going nuts when the US tied then won it in penalty time while getting on El Tri's case and blasting the Mexican team for what they described as their arrogance--check it out atatu, a pretty gutsy call by the Mexican broadcasters:

    http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2013/10/16/4843700/usa-panama-2014-world-cup-qualifying



    Er Nick?....the US did just that against Panama since they already clinched first place in the group, and yet they still fought to the very end and found a way to win in an away game they didn't need. What they lacked in talent they made up for with grit and never-say-quit.

    Fwiw, this is the 2nd time in a row in WC qualifying play that the US has saved a team's bacon in a game that meant nothing to them (having already clinched 4 years ago as well).

    Would've been funny to see the proud, arrogant Mexican national team sitting on the outside looking in but to hell with them.....I'm more proud of the 'home team' showing their class and playing all-out to win. And...in a way, having to depend on a hated rival to bail them out is kinda cool in its own right.

    De nada Mexico....de nada. :cool:
     
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    I think we got a horrible group. We'll need to beat Ghana, maybe need to beat Portugal, and hope not to get too embarrassed by Germany.
     
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    Tough group. I have a feeling Portugal might end 3rd of group. Ronaldo is getting old and he's near worthless with the Portuguese national team anyway.
     
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    Portugal is quite vulnerable. The definition of a one-man team. Ronaldo is still a super player, but Portugal is razor-thin after him. We'll need at least a tie, but a win would be the goal.
     
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    It's very doable. I would approach the Germany match conservatively and try to get a tie, hoping for some counterattack opportunities. But the Germans are way too solid for that. I was very surprised they failed in Euro 2012.
     
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    I don't think so - Coentrao and Pepe are stalwarts for Real Madrid, which is a pretty big club, conservatively speaking. Nani has been solid over the past 5 or 6 years for United, Meireles has won a Champions League title with Chelsea and has been a solid defensive midfielder throughout his career, Bruma is a promising winger, Moutinho is a great player, Veloso has been good if not great on a few occasions, etc...

    And then there's Ronaldo, and even though I prefer Messi, Ronaldo is by and far the most complete and dangerous player on the planet. He can step it up to a new level that nobody else can reach (Messi included) and probably the only player in the game that can win a game on his own.
     
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    You are so clueless.The only player that HAS PROVED DAY IN DAY OUT that can win a match by himself is Messi, who has three Champions Leagues.Ronaldo can only dream about Messi, whom he hates ( while Messi completely and blattantly ignores him) because it is like Mozart, the genious and Salieri, the impotent one.

    Ronaldo has proven absolutely nothing when big time comes around.All talk about his qualities remain to be proven.You must be very religious to believe he can win a big title by himself, otherwise ateism or at most agnosticism is the best solution in regards to him.
     
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    world cup is aways a surprise. Dont think Messi is going to do anything so special. Besides he already is the Best player, and will not be a world Champion. Not in tHis era.
     
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    He needs his ( rather talented) teammates to work as a unit, if they are capable of it, he will make the difference but if they are not, like in the last 2 WC, you will be spot on.
     
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    Learn to read. I NEVER said he can win a big title by himself. Messi, at the national team level, has NEVER carried Argentina the way Ronaldo carries Portugal. Messi without Xavi and Iniesta's help has never taken a close match and made the difference.

    I despise Ronaldo and think Messi is the better of the two, but Ronaldo is as complete a player as there is - he has the tricks, the dribbling, a shot off both feet (Messi has scored less than 20 goals in his professional career with his right foot, Ronaldo has scored over 50 with his left), the crosses, the list goes on and on.

    And where the hell did you get the religious aspect from?! I'm a fascist, I don't believe in religion.
     
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    Tough to see USA USA USA get a point but that's why you play
     
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    I think we can get a point here and there - perhaps a draw with Portugal and with Ghana is possible if we play well, even perhaps a win against Ghana. Germany will kill us.
     
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    Well said. Now, Ronaldo is a great player, physically imposing, and a great striker. But Messi is a genius one step ahead of everybody else.
     
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    About time the Argentines win another World Cup. 86 was a long time ago. This is the right time for Messi (the right age too) like it was the last time. He might not be as potent in 2018.

    Messi is a genius, GOAT candidate even w/o (hopefully he and his team wins this) being World Champions. C. Ronaldo is a very good player, tier 1 but not quite up there with the GOAT candidates (a World Cup victory is a must for him to be included in the GOAT-speak, imo). Meanwhile Ronaldo de Lima is co-GOATs among several.
     
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    Tier 1: Di Stefano,Pele,Maradona,Messi
    Tier 2: Beckenbauer,Cruyff,Puskas,Kubala,Platini and Zidane

    C.Ronaldo is tier 3 with the other Ronaldo (Brazil),Baresi,Schiaffino,Garrincha,Moore,Matthews,Mazzola,Van Basten and a few others
     
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    Worst list I have seen in my entire life.

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    Messi isn't carrying Argentina to any WC or CA wins without Xavi/Iniesta.
     
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    Actually it's a good list, not much to add.
     
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    I like USA. lots of new talent from college soccer division 1. I wonder how Jordan would have played if he became soccer player ?
     
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    what is your alternative then? willing to read.
     
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    He's about a foot too tall :)

    Ronaldo and Zidane at 6'1 are rare exceptions, still way shorter than Jordan. Messi and Maradona are probably the greatest and around 5'6.
     
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    Football has already had its MJ.Much before MJ was born.He was named Edson Arantes do Nascimento, commonly known as Pele.

    The perfect body for this sport, just like MJ had a perfect body for his.
     
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    I'll just put Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo (de Lima) and Messi on the same top tier; big four of four different generations.

    I agree 90% with kiki's tier 2 and 3.:)
     
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    Pele, Maradona and Messi's height used to be the norm in soccer but evolution has proven that taller guys can do just as well, Batistuta, Zidane, Ronaldo etc.

    Across sports, the standard used to be 6 feet tall, like Wayne Gretzky and Pete Sampras to name at least two and nowadays Roger Federer and Tiger Woods are both 6'1''. Note: The aforementioned quadro are all-time-greats!
     
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    Depends on what type of player you are.
    If you are short you will be most probably on the wings while tall will see you in the center, preferably at Striker like Koller or Ibrahimovic or Centre Back especially when you play against these type of strikers.
    Messi was on the wing before moving in the center but he's not a classic striker and it would be a pity to waste him by moving him back on the right.
    There are exceptions like Samaras who plays at his height on the wing or ex-Inter player Schelotto for example. There players like Riera that I never understood what they were playing on the sides though ...
    A pure winger still has to be small and quick, in a 4-3-3 you can play anybody in front on the left or right, even Ibra or Balotelli these days, back in our grandparents days, the wingers were always glued to the sidelines and running like crazy but now it's different.
    Oh, and Pele I can't be sure if he would be in a top 125 all time if he would've played in this era :S .
     
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    Likewise, Pele was very good in his days but his teammates are no pushover, thus they complimented each other just perfectly so that it made him great. Pity C. Ronaldo, he is the only boy wonder for team Portugal.

    Top 125, I think they should just pick 22, enough to make two team's Winning Eleven!
     
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    He's teammates weren't great? :lol:
    I think you should study more about what players Brazil had in Pele's years.

    And Portugal's stupid excuse "Ronaldo & the rest" doesn't work either, it's enough to see Moutinho's game in Stockholm and conclude that without many of those players, Portugal wouldn't be worth anything if it only had Ronaldo.
     
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    Then why did the struggle so badly to qualify? They are weaker, and probably easier for the US to beat then Ghana. Gheez, Portugal had a massively easy UEFA qualifying group with the soccer power houses of Israea, Northern Ireland, Luxenmbourg, and the often overlooked Azerbaijan :shock: While Russia walked through the group with ease, Portugal was just ok. I frankly cannot believe that UEFA Qualifying group....only Portugal and Russia have ever been in the WC, and Russia never past the first round.

    Then you had groups like:

    Italy, Denmark, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Armenia, Malta (4 teams havving been in the WC)

    Germany, Sweden, Austria, Ireland, Kazakstan, Faroe Islands (4 teams again)

    Netherlands, Romania, Hungary, Turkey, Estonia, Andorra (4 teams that have all been to a QF or better!)

    The group with Swiss Group was probably the only one in UEFA that was on par with the Portugal group.
     
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    Pele not in the top 125????
     
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    Yeah, probably in 2013 he would be an anonymous brazilian who even if he wished to play in Europe, the best he could do is a championship like Romania, Bulgaria or Austria.
    Those days in which he played, and didn't even do that in Europe, are long gone. And he had one of the best lineups for those years when playing for Brazil.
    Probably now he would've been a mad little ball lover good for beach football and good only for red cards in the real sport.
     
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    Have you seen him play?

    what would Messi win without the guys he plays along every weekend?
     
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    I said:

    ...Pele was very good in his days but his teammates are no pushover...
     
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