WORLD NO. 1 (by year)

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  1. urban

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    Doubles final should have been Hillary and Tenzing vs. Mallory and Irvin.
     
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    well, pros had that charm.They used to play under the msot unbelievable circumstances.parkings,Highways,countries in the middle of a military coup d´etat, wood...one must wonder if modern era players could stand it like they did.


    Not to mention they had to drive during many hours, play the event and pick up the car again.On road show 24/7
     
  3. hoodjem

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    Great fiction: "the smoke and lack of oxygen caught up with him, and he suddenly became exhausted".

    You're hilarious; keep those surrealist tales coming. Love it!
     
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    Here's another great one along these same lines: Djokovic was not beaten by Fed at the 2007 USO, it was the gluten.

    What did Fed have to do with that victory? He kept the match alive until Djoker's pasta supper of the night before worked for him.

    Too funny.
     
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    and Lendl in 89.
     
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    Welcome back, Limp. Haven't heard from you for a while. And thanks for your usual stream of compliments.
     
  7. Dan Lobb

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    Here's another Kramer story.
    In the 1943 US final, Kramer lost to Hunt in four sets, supposedly because he ate uncooked clams the night before and was suffering from food poisoning. The scores seem to bear that out.
    Today, a player would default before the match.
    Does this give Kramer an excuse for losing? No, but it provides some explanation for an unexpected result.
     
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    The "surrealist tales" were sourced from Kramer's own recollections and the London Times accounts.
    Perhaps you should have said "realistic tales".
     
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    Sure, happy to. Keep those rose-colored, sour-grapes tales coming.

    If this is all you're doing, then I support you.

    I'm sure tennis history is full of such stories of non-court, non-competition factors influencing the outcome of a match.

    pace the last leg of Hoad's 1956 Grand Slam attempt at the US Championships--losing to Muscles
     
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    I was thinking the same thing myself.

    Many indoor arenas were smoke filled in those days. They didn't have the smoking regulations of today and I would think more people smoked in those days because people didn't know the health risks.
     
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    The story goes that Hoad stayed up all night before the 1956 US final drinking beer and watching television.
    This sounds like Hoad's typical routine, but usually he could still play well the next day.
     
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    Connors: 1974, 1976, 1982.

    Vilas and Borg as co-number ones in 1977.
     
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    I did a list a while back of my top 2 tennis players per year:

    My top 2 tennis players per year
    1919: Bill Johnston, Bill Tilden
    1920: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1921: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1922: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1923: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1924: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1925: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1926: Rene Lacoste, Jean Borotra
    1927: Rene Lacoste, Bill Tilden
    1928: Henri Cochet, Rene Lacoste
    1929: Henri Cochet, Rene Lacoste
    1930: Henri Cochet, Bill Tilden
    1931: Bill Tilden, Ellsworth Vines
    1932: Ellsworth Vines, Bill Tilden
    1933: Jack Crawford, Fred Perry
    1934: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1935: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1936: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1937: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1938: Ellsworth Vines, Don Budge
    1939: Don Budge, Ellsworth Vines
    1940: Don Budge, Fred Perry
    1941: Fred Perry, Bobby Riggs
    1942: Don Budge, Bobby Riggs
    1943: ??????
    1944: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1945: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1946: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1947: Bobby Riggs, Jack Kramer
    1948: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1949: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1950: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1951: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1952: Pancho Segura, Pancho Gonzales
    1953: Jack Kramer, Frank Sedgman
    1954: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1955: Pancho Gonzales, Pancho Segura
    1956: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1957: Pancho Gonzales, Pancho Segura
    1958: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1959: Pancho Gonzales, Lew Hoad
    1960: Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall
    1961: Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall
    1962: Ken Rosewall, Lew Hoad
    1963: Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver
    1964: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1965: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1966: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1967: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1968: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1969: Rod Laver, Tony Roche
    1970: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1971: John Newcombe, Stan Smith
    1972: Stan Smith, Ilie Nastase
    1973: Ilie Nastase, John Newcombe
    1974: Jimmy Connors, John Newcombe
    1975: Arthur Ashe, Jimmy Connors
    1976: Jimmy Connors, Bjorn Borg
    1977: Guillermo Vilas, Bjorn Borg
    1978: Bjorn Borg, Jimmy Connors
    1979: Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe
    1980: Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe
    1981: John McEnroe, Bjorn Borg
    1982: Jimmy Connors, Ivan Lendl
    1983: John McEnroe, Mats Wilander
    1984: John McEnroe, Jimmy Connors
    1985: Ivan Lendl, John McEnroe
    1986: Ivan Lendl, Boris Becker
    1987: Ivan Lendl, Mats Wilander
    1988: Mats Wilander, Ivan Lendl
    1989: Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl
    1990: Stefan Edberg, Andre Agassi
    1991: Stefan Edberg, Jim Courier
    1992: Jim Courier, Stefan Edberg
    1993: Pete Sampras, Jim Courier
    1994: Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi
    1995: Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi
    1996: Pete Sampras, Boris Becker
    1997: Pete Sampras, Patrick Rafter
    1998: Pete Sampras, Marcelo Rios
    1999: Andre Agassi, Pete Sampras
    2000: Gustavo Kuerten, Marat Safin
    2001: Lleyton Hewitt, Gustavo Kuerten
    2002: Lleyton Hewitt, Andre Agassi
    2003: Andy Roddick, Roger Federer
    2004: Roger Federer, Lleyton Hewitt
    2005: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2006: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2007: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2008: Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer
    2009: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2010: Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer
    2011: Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal

    My top 2 amateur tennis players per year
    1919: Bill Johnston, Bill Tilden
    1920: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1921: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1922: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1923: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1924: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1925: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1926: Rene Lacoste, Jean Borotra
    1927: Rene Lacoste, Bill Tilden
    1928: Henri Cochet, Rene Lacoste
    1929: Henri Cochet, Rene Lacoste
    1930: Henri Cochet, Bill Tilden
    1931: Ellsworth Vines, Henri Cochet
    1932: Ellsworth Vines, Henri Cochet
    1933: Jack Crawford, Fred Perry
    1934: Fred Perry, Jack Crawford
    1935: Fred Perry, Jack Crawford
    1936: Fred Perry, Gottfried von Cramm
    1937: Don Budge, Gottfried von Cramm
    1938: Don Budge, Bunny Austin
    1939: Bobby Riggs, John Bromwich
    1940: Don McNeill, Bobby Riggs
    1941: Bobby Riggs, Frank Kovacs
    1942: Ted Schroeder, Frank Parker
    1943: Joseph Hunt, Jack Kramer
    1944: Frank Parker, Bill Talbert
    1945: Frank Parker, Bill Talbert
    1946: Jack Kramer, John Bromwich
    1947: Jack Kramer, Dinny Pails
    1948: John Bromwich, Pancho Gonzales
    1949: Pancho Gonzales, Ted Schroeder
    1950: Budge Patty, Frank Sedgman
    1951: Frank Sedgman, Dick Savitt
    1952: Frank Sedgman, Jaroslav Drobny
    1953: Tony Trabert, Ken Rosewall
    1954: Jaroslav Drobny, Tony Trabert
    1955: Tony Trabert, Ken Rosewall
    1956: Lew Hoad, Ken Rosewall
    1957: Lew Hoad, Ashley Cooper
    1958: Ashley Cooper, Mal Anderson
    1959: Alex Olmedo, Neale Fraser
    1960: Neale Fraser, Rod Laver
    1961: Roy Emerson, Rod Laver
    1962: Rod Laver, Roy Emerson
    1963: Roy Emerson, Chuck McKinley
    1964: Roy Emerson, Fred Stolle
    1965: Roy Emerson, Fred Stolle
    1966: Fred Stolle, Manuel Santana
    1967: John Newcombe, Roy Emerson

    My top 2 professional tennis players per year
    1927: Vinny Richards, Howard Kinsey
    1928: Vinny Richards, Karel Kozeluh
    1929: Karel Kozeluh, Vinny Richards
    1930: Karel Kozeluh, Vinny Richards
    1931: Bill Tilden, Vinny Richards
    1932: Bill Tilden, Karel Kozeluh
    1933: Bill Tilden, Hans Nusslein
    1934: Ellsworth Vines, Hans Nusslein
    1935: Ellsworth Vines, Hans Nusslein
    1936: Ellsworth Vines, Hans Nusslein
    1937: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1938: Ellsworth Vines, Hans Nusslein
    1939: Don Budge, Ellsworth Vines
    1940: Don Budge, Fred Perry
    1941: Fred Perry, Dick Skeen
    1942: Don Budge, Bobby Riggs
    1943: ??????
    1944: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1945: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1946: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1947: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1948: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1949: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1950: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1951: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1952: Pancho Segura, Pancho Gonzales
    1953: Jack Kramer, Frank Sedgman
    1954: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1955: Pancho Gonzales, Pancho Segura
    1956: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1957: Pancho Gonzales, Pancho Segura
    1958: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1959: Pancho Gonzales, Lew Hoad
    1960: Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall
    1961: Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall
    1962: Ken Rosewall, Lew Hoad
    1963: Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver
    1964: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1965: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1966: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1967: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
     
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    1970: Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver
    1971: John Newcombe, Stan Smith
    1972: Stan Smith, Ilie Nastase
    1973: Ilie Nastase, John Newcombe
    1974: Jimmy Connors, Bjorn Borg
    1975: Arthur Ashe, Jimmy Connors
    1976: Bjorn Borg,Jimmy Connors
    1977: Guillermo Vilas, Bjorn Borg/Jimmy Connors
    1978: Bjorn Borg, Jimmy Connors
    1979: Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe
    1980: Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe
    1981: John McEnroe, Bjorn Borg
    1982: Jimmy Connors, Ivan Lendl
    1983: John McEnroe, Mats Wilander
    1984: John McEnroe, Jimmy Connors
    1985: Ivan Lendl, John McEnroe
    1986: Ivan Lendl, Boris Becker
    1987: Ivan Lendl, Stefan Edberg
    1988: Mats Wilander, Ivan Lendl
    1989: Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl
    1990: Stefan Edberg, Andre Agassi
    1991: Stefan Edberg, Jim Courier
    1992: Jim Courier, Stefan Edberg
    1993: Pete Sampras, Jim Courier
    1994: Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi
    1995: Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi
    1996: Pete Sampras, Boris Becker
    1997: Pete Sampras, Patrick Rafter
    1998: Pete Sampras, Marcelo Rios
    1999: Andre Agassi, Pete Sampras
    2000: Gustavo Kuerten, Marat Safin
    2001: Lleyton Hewitt, Gustavo Kuerten
    2002: Lleyton Hewitt, Andre Agassi
    2003: Andy Roddick, Roger Federer
    2004: Roger Federer, Lleyton Hewitt
    2005: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2006: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2007: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2008: Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer
    2009: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2010: Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer
    2011: Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal
    :)
     
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    Gonzales versus Laver.
     
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    Jimmy Connors n°1 in 1977, without winning one Grand Slam ??!!
     
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    And Gonzales makes the case for Hoad being the best ever, even in the article above.
    In a 1975 article in Sports Illustrated, Gonzales told Arthur Ashe that if there was ever a Universe Davis Cup, and he (Gonzales) had to pick one man to represent Planet Earth, he would pick Lew Hoad in his prime. The operative phrase here is "in his prime", as there was a great difference between Hoad playing well and playing poorly later in his career.
     
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    1977 the top 5 tournaments

    For 1977 season the top 5 tournaments were (in chronological order)

    Wct finals
    French open
    Wimbledon
    Us open
    Masters

    Connors won 2 of them and was in the finals of two others. Vilas won 2 and was in no other finals. Borg won 1 and was in 1 other final (the masters). So connors made 4 of the top 5 finals and both borg and vilas only made 2 each.

    Having said that i will think vilas deserves the number 1 rank for that season, but when you look at it in terms of the top 5 events, connors did a lot better than you might think.
     
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    Masters and WCT Finals, the Indoor GS titles.
     
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    Most of people think that Vilas is N°1 in 1977. Some of them think it's Borg. But I've never heard before someone who thinks that it could be Connors. N° without winning FO, USO or Wimbledon ? Impossible.
     
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    I think timinz made a good point.Connors won 2 out of the top 6 events of the year and made two more finals, while Borg won a title and lost another final.Vilas got two majors and was a beaten finalist in another one.When you have the overall picture, it is not unlogical to pick up Connors, as he was the most complete player of the lot.

    I still would give Vilas nº 1 in 77...as I would pick Borg as nº 1 in 76.

    What about 1971?

    Newcombe: Wimbledon champion but not any other final
    Kodes: FO champion and US open runner up
    Nastase: Masters champion and FO finalist
    Rosewall:AO champion and WCT winner
    Smith: Forest Hills winner and Masters and Wimbledon runner up


    In an analogy with 77, most people has picked up Newcombe as the world´s nº 1 in 1971.But, just as much as Connors in 77, Stan Smith had possibly the most complete year of the lot, and he´d be heavily favoured to be nº1.
     
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    Yes, the case has been made, by reputable sources, to award 1977 to Connors.
     
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    I still think Vilas had the best year of the trio Borg/Connors/Vilas in 1977 but not by a wide gap.Borg also had his share of wins and, if Connors didn´t double fault in the 9 th game of the Wimbledon final, Borg may have ended with 0 major wins and Connors with 3, and therefore, there would be no case at all and Connors wins by far the 1977 awards...
     
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    Which sources ?
     
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    While I would still put Connors third in 1977 behind Vilas and Borg, I agree that there is a case to give him the edge that year given that he won 2 out of the 5 biggest tournaments that year and was a finalist at 2 out of the other 3.

    It's not like 1982 where there is no way in hell anyone could give McEnroe the edge that year over either Connors or Lendl, given that failed to win any titles at the slams, Masters, WCT finals or other WCT tournaments.
     
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    Even so

    My point above was just to show that Connors wasn't so far out of it, as initial impressions might give. I still give Vilas the nod for the number 1 position for the year and maybe a draw between Borg and Connors for the number 2 spot. Borg was the best player that year but Vilas was the player with the most achievements. Achievements win over all else when talking about rankings.

    (If Connors had won that 5th set at Wimbledon though - the discussion would be quite different).
     
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    Agree with all of that Vilas had the best accomplishments in 1977, Borg displayed the highest standard of tennis and Connors wasn't as far off from those two as many people I think. I agree that when it comes to anointing a player of the year, you could only go on achievements, so Vilas's year it was.

    When Borg retired in his 4th round match against Stockton at the USO due to a sore shoulder, he had been projected to meet Vilas in the semis there. Given how helpless Vilas was against Borg, he must have breathed a huge sigh of relief following Borg's withdrawal, like he did when Borg wasn't in the draw at RG earlier in the year.

    Of course player records from back then are a huge mess , but that retirement was Borg's only defeat in 54 'official' matches counted on the ITF website from March to November which was amazing.
     
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    The Association of Tennis Professionals computer rankings. ("The ATP itself awarded Borg "Player of The Year" contradicting its computer ranking [Connors N° 1].")
    Year-end number 1

    John McEnroe finished the year as the number 1-ranked player for four consecutive years from 1981 to 1984.
    Lleyton Hewitt at age 20 became the youngest player to hold the world number 1 ranking. He obtained this in November 2001.
    Novak Djokovic finished the year 2011 as No. 1
    The year-end number 1 ranked player is determined as the player at the head of the ATP rankings following the completion of the final tournament of the calendar year, usually in November or December. Pete Sampras holds the record of six year-end number ones, which were in consecutive years from 1993 through 1998.
    Only five players have stayed at number 1 in the rankings every week of a calendar year. Federer is the only player to have been ranked number 1 every week for three consecutive calendar years.
    Key
    (1) Cumulative number of times as year-end number 1
    Ranked number 1 during every week of the calendar year
    Year Player
    1973 Ilie Năstase (1)
    1974 Jimmy Connors (1)
    1975 Jimmy Connors (2)
    1976 Jimmy Connors (3)
    1977 Jimmy Connors (4)
     
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    Borg 1977

    Wasn't Borg number 1 for A week in 1977 in august?
     
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    Could be. I'm unsure as to how the ATP computer figured what it did back then.
     
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    My question was : which sources gave Connors n°1 ?
     
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    That's correct.
     
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    1982 was the worse year for Mac since 1978.Still the guy played 3 off the top 5 finals of the year and the semifinal of the 4 th ( didn´t play the French).For 95% of the top 100 guys, this would have been their best ever season...for him, a big failure....
     
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    So far three different slam winners, so there is a possibility of (at least) three different world no. 1 for 2012. (Imagine if Murray were to win the USO. Four?)

    But if one of these three wins the US Open, would that "seal the deal"? Could Nadal re-gain the no. 1 spot?

    Do the Olympics factor in?
     
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    Olympics only factor in that they are a 750 point event, so they factor less than a masters 1000 event this year.

    Its going to get complicated if one of the big three grabs the us open but another 1 of the big three cleans up all the other events including the wtf.
     
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    1950—Kramer/Segura
    1951—Kramer
    1952—Gonzales/Sedgman
    1953—Kramer(6)/Segura(2)
    1954—Gonzales
    1955—Gonzales
    1956—Gonzales
    1957—Gonzales
    1958—Gonzales(6)/Sedgman(2)
    1959—Hoad
    1960—Rosewall
    1961—Rosewall
    1962—Rosewall
    1963—Rosewall(4)

    Gonzales had six years as world no. 1, but that's all.
     
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    Gonzales dominated the 1960 world pro tour. Gonzales also won the 1961 world pro tour, and his 8th US Pro title that year. Rosewall has a case for co-number 1 in 1961, in my opinion, but Gonzales was never toppled before his 18 month retirement from the end of 1961.

    Result of the 1960 world pro tour:

    1. Pancho Gonzales 49-8
    2. Ken Rosewall 32-25
    3. Pancho Segura 22-28
    4. Alex Olmedo 11-44


    My rankings list is here:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6607459&postcount=863

    I have Gonzales as world number 1 in 8 calendar years, more than any other player. Laver and Tilden both have 7.
     
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    I believe that Hoad was the best in 1959, Gonzales second.

     
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    Gonzales still won the 4-man 1959 world pro tour, and BobbyOne seems to have cast some doubt on the exact Gonzales vs. Hoad head-to-head (I've had it as 15-13 to Hoad). Gonzales beat Hoad in dominant fashion in the 1959 US Pro final in Cleveland, although Hoad returned in the favour in the 1959 Tournament of Champions final at Forest Hills.

    Hoad could be co-number 1, but Gonzales was not toppled.
     
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    hoodjem, Mustard,

    Your arguments are strong for both players. That's the reason why I would give a tied No.1 place to both (with a possible Co.-No 1 Rosewall).
     
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    Wasn´t Pancho Gonzales who claimed that the only player he thought out of his reach was peak Hoad?
     
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    That is correct.
     
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    ..if such a terrific ego as Gonzales says such a thing, there is no way to doubt about it.
     
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    Gonzales went out of his way to be friendly with Hoad as well, which was most unlike him. Even his friends like Segura and Olmedo, and his proteges like Pasarell and Ralston, would often be on the sharp end of his temper. He even ignored Olmedo for months once after Olmedo beat him in a match.
     
  46. kiki

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    What a great buddy this Pancho.:)
     
  47. kiki

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    Hoad had women´s magnet.He was also a great friend of his friend.Even such a mean guy like Rosewall, his long time buddy and rival, paid the greatest tribute to him.

    In the south of Spain and in Spain´s DC team, he was seen as one of them.
     
  48. BobbyOne

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    kiki,

    Why was Rosewall Hoad's Buddy?

    And why was R. a mean guy?
     
  49. pc1

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    How was Rosewall mean? I think of them as friends and Rosewall as a great gentleman.
     
  50. Mustard

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    Hoad and Rosewall were friends since childhood, weren't they?
     

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