World Tour Finals or the Tennis Singles Olympic Gold

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WTF singles or the Singles Olympic Gold

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  1. phnx90

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    1. Would you say that a doubles slam is the same as winning a singles slam?
    2. This comparison is flawed because there is no debate that a slam > OG (there is also little to no debate between WTF and OG, but since this thread supposes there is one, this part wouldn't quite apply)
    3. For someone whose career is as complete as is Fed's, a missing SOG does stick out, especially if it supposedly isn't at all important. He's won the DOG, but doubles is a completely different animal to singles.
    4. This is true
    5. But this doesn't make "Career Golden Slam" any less better-sounding than "Career WTF Slam"

    NB: I still believe WTF is more fundamental to a tennis player's career than the SOG. But once a WTF has already been won, a SOG > an additional WTF.
     
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  2. batz

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    I'll translate this from fanbois:

    Listen to the oldies when it suits my argument, ignore them when it doesn't.

    I'm interested to hear what vested interest Andre might have when giving his opinion on the relative merits of WTF v OG.

    But let's forget the old guys. Roger and Novak made winning the Olympics on of their stated priorities for 2012. Murray says nothing will ever compare to winning his gold and Delpo said that winning his bronze meant more to him than winning the USO.

    That's a whole bunch of empirical evidence to suggest that the players value OG more than WTF - unless you can find quotes from players which suggest otherwise.

    To repeat, I see them as about even - but the players clearly don't.

    When was the last time one of the top players made winning WTF a major prioriity for the year? When was the last time one of them cried after winning a WTF semi?
     
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    Does personal value = tennis value?
     
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    A couple of ****poor strawmen there mate:


    1. You and I are as qualified as Mac as to who the GOAT is. But we're not as qualified as Andre is wrt which achievement he holds as his greatest - only Andre is qualified to express a view on that question.

    2. Why are you comparing OG to winning Wimbledon? Nobody is making that argument, so why are you even raising it? The argument is about WTF and OG. Which one do you think Novak would have preferred to win last year?
     
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    It does when the persons under discussion are the people competing for the prize.
     
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    Has he told you this? Is tennis not a sport then?
     
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    Your translation is wrong, although English is your native language and not mine.

    I urge you to find a post of mine, where I am using an opinion of a former Great to support my view.

    Besides, what do you want them to say?

    OG is certainly a prestigious event and it should be amongst the priorities of the players. However, I really doubt, that their comments should be taken at face value and the example is in your own post. I seriously doubt, that Del Potro would choose a OBM over A Major title, let alone his first, won after dispatching both Nadal and Federer. He has to be out of his mind to think that.

    As to when a player has made a WTF his priority, you must have missed all those years of tennis, where basically every leading player of the generation was gunning for this YE title. Yes, even Nadal.
     
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    Applying the same logic:

    If you consider the length of a players career, they will only get one to three chances to even play the Olympics compared to the annual Wimbledon (6-7 chances)

    Hence, the Tennis Singles Olympic Gold is more prestigious than Wimbledon.


    So this argument is false.
     
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    Signles gold but I don't think there should be a differentiation between the singles and the doubles. Tennis is an individual sport. You play for yourself first. Your country is irrelevant- I like the fact that tennis, perhaps more so than any sport I follow, is not based on your nationality. The Olympics are a nationality based event and in that sense is very different from the tour.
     
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    Let me ask you, what about the Olympic Gold makes it a superior achievement to winning a best of 5 final masters? There's no extra difficulty to it except for the lack of tiebreaks in final sets. Yet it's a major?

    You have really explained why personal value = tennis value either, the top guys want to win it. That much is obvious. They want to medal for their country, it's patriotism. That's why Del Potro's bronze meant more than the USO. The value of the Olympics is that it's for your country. In absolute tennis terms it has no history as an important achievement not compared to the WTF's anyway.

    And I never said tennis wasn't a sport, twisting my words there batz. For many athletes the Olympics is the pinacle of their sport. In tennis it's not. The Olympics is about representing your country. That's the only reason it means so much to these guys. That much is pretty obvious I would think.
     
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    Seems like you hang out with many pro players. Indulge us.
     
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    I don't want hem to say anything mate. You however, seem to want Delpo to say he values his OB more than his USO win and for the players to say that winning the WTF is a major priority for them for the year.

    For the 3rd time - I see them as about equal, but the top players clearly don't.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...ngles-bronze-juan-martin-del-potro/56811848/1
     
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    It depends on the player. Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, and Murray have probably raised the prestige and value of the olympic gold a lot. I bet all 4 would rather win the gold instead of a WTF.

    I remember the olympic gold didn't seem that prestigous back a few years. For example, I had no doubt in my head that Nalbandian defeating Federer at TMC 2005 was more impressive than Massu winning the Gold in Athens 2004.
     
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    You implied it when you tried to distinguish 'sporting achievement' from 'tennis achievement'.

    Why the Olympics is important isn't the question under discussion Nat - the subject under discussion is whther or not OG tennis is important - and I'm glad to see it looks like we're in agreement on that.
     
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    But there is the problem.

    I can think for myself and don't need to listen to the constantly changing perceptions about this and that. That is one of the positives about following the sport for a number of decades.

    Like it has already been mentioned, former tennis Greats (or active players) make a number of claims that, if taken at face value, would turn the sport on its head. Luckily, we have our own heads to distinguish the genuine comments from the fodder.

    If you prefer to believe in such things, by all means do it, but don't use it as an argument, because some more experienced (in life in general) people might find it highly irrelevant.
     
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    It has to be the WTF - much more tradition - has been the 5th biggest tournament for pretty much the entire Open Era (and at times in the 70s/80s the 4th biggest, when most top players skipped the AO). Look at the list of the winners of the WTF compared to those at the Olympics; hardly any mugs in the former list.

    Oh, I see the voting on this poll is being split down Federer/Nadal fan lines. What a surprise!
     
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    Do you not think there's a distinction between what the Olympics means to a Swimmer and what it means to a tennis player? Or what it means to a track and field athlete etc...For one group they train for 4 years just to win that OG, for the other there are major tournaments every year which are televised to millions etc...

    So yes there is some distinction between what an OG medal means in tennis terms and what it might mean for Mo Farah. Winning the OG in tennis is obviously still a sporting achievement...because you know it's an achievement and tennis is a sport.

    The very fact that finishing 3rd in Olympic tennis meant so much to Del Potro shows there's ALOT of sentimental value there. Likewise Federer was overjoyed just to be medalling for Switzerland. Winning any medal in the Olympics transcends that sport IMO. But as for whats more important for a tennis great, I'd take besting the top 8 in an elite competition over winning the equivalent of a masters.

    You place more value on the Olympic's because of the personal value it has for the players. Which is fair enough. But the WTF has more historical value and has been won by a much greater list of all time greats.
     
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    Thinking for yourself is fine. Putting your fingers in your ears and going 'lalalalalalala can't hear you' when presented with evidence that doesn't align with your views is not thinking for yourself, it's choosing the path of willful ignorance and conceit.

    You value the WTF over the OG so you simply cannot understand how others might hold a different view. Were you once conceited but are now perfect?
     
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    I've never claimed that OG is the pinnacle of tennis or that it's on a par with a slam - it isn't.

    I have said that I view OG as being on a par with WTF. Some players seem to hold OG in higher regard, for the reasons you have outlined above. Tennis authorities seem to view it as lesser than WTF because of the points awarded.

    To repeat - I make them about equal.
     
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  20. monfed

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    1. Is winning a doubles slam the same as winning an Olympic gold in doubles? If Fed was asked if he's won an OG would his answer be "No, I won doubles in olympics? "

    I was talking from the point of what winning an OG means to a tennis player compared to a track n field athlete from a broader perspective not just cherry picking events and comparing the two because for the latter it's a lifetime dream, for a tennis player it is nowhere near that. SO you can't take an event of the magnitude of Olympics and just shove it into a sport like tennis and assume the prestige it has for a track n field athlete whilst comparing it to a M1000s,WTFs etc.

    It does stick out in TTW. However in the real world,Fed's career was officially complete when he won the French Open in the process completing the career grand slam and was crowned the GOAT by even Sampras fans(as their last refuge failed). Likewise, Pete/Edberg/Lendl would've loved to have completed their trophy cabinet with the missing slam to make their resumes look more complete. An OG is nice to have, infact if tennis was inducted into the winter olympics,that would be a nice thing to have too.

    Point being you can make up words that sound good, that doesn't make the said accomplishment more prestigious.

    Nadal only needs to win 1 WTF as he can plug the gap of 5 WTFs with one OG so he can be eternal GOAT. I get it.
     
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    It is hilarious that, in this day and age, you do not realize that listening to what is being said is not a guarantee for wisdom.

    I rather liked you as a poster, before Murray went on to win anything big and wasn't prised to the high heavens by those, who are paid to do such things.

    It seems that the saying, that the people should be judged by their patience before they have anything and by their attitude after they have anything applies to you as well.

    Oh well. Move on.
     
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    You really are the king of the strawman. What does the sentence in bold have to do with anything?

    Roger's answer would be "Yes, in doubles" because titles won in team events have precisely zero bearing on a player's record as a singles player.

    You are indulging in some incredible mental gymnastics to try and justify the position that an OG in singles is = OG in doubles. That suddenly, achievements in doubles are = achievements in singles (Bob Bryan must be GOAT with his 22 slam titles :) ). C'mon mate - have a word with yourself.:)
     
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    Logic fail. Only 8 players are qualified to play the WTF each year. That equates to, at most, 32 every 4 years. The Olympics? 128.
     
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    What does the bolded have to do with OG and WTF? You are just rambling now. Who said anything about having guarantees of wisdom?

    I've posited 2 things - that WTF and OG are about equal and that players who have experienced winning OG place it very highly in their list of achievements - and in Andre's case, as the highest of his achievements.

    I'm sorry if this has offended you somehow.
     
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  25. monfed

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    No, actually we're not because one's a tennis player,a legend at that, while WE are just armchair warriors. But I see your point. :)

    Was Andre's opinion the same when he completed his career grand slam by winning his missing RG?

    I compared it to a slam in this case Wimby specifically because YOU brought up Andre's opinion that he considers an OG greater than a slam. Isn't Wimby a slam?(I chose Wimby to give Andre's opinion a little perspective) So yes it's relevant.

    Which one do you think Novak would choose if he didn't have the WTF?
     
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    It's funny how important the Olympic Gold medal has become after Nadal won it. :roll:

    It's also cute how these Nadal fangirls think that a single Olympics gold is somehow more prestigious that the doubles gold.
     
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    I'm directly comparing OG to the WTF. I'm not comparing OG to Wimbledon.

    So my point still stands.

    Does that mean you prefer WTF over OG? If so, what stops performance at the WTF being on accidental peaks of form?
     
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    I think the Olympic tennis being hosted Wimbledon last year added to the prestige alot. I wonder if Andy would value his OG more than his USO win if he didn't win the OG in front of the Wimbledon crowd.
     
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    So doubles achievements are on a par with singles achievements now? A slam win in singles isn't more prestigious than a slam win in doubles?

    Bob Bryan is the best current tennis player because he has 22 slam titles?

    You haven't thought that through mate.
     
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    This doesn't actually answer my question.

    I would agree with this, but I don't quite understand why you asked whether RG or a SOG would better complete Sampras' career to prove this point.

    Well, everyone knows about the Olympics. That alone doesn't make it superior to WTF of course, but it does mean that it's not just TTW members who notice the missing title.

    This is true; I just didn't quite get / understand how what you said in your earlier post would've been been valid as a counterargument.

    You can believe it if you like; just don't quote me on it since I never actually said that.

    FWIW, I think all else being equal, 5 WTF and 1 SOG is better than 6 WTFs.

    People who believe that another RG adds nothing to Nadal's career should be agreeing wholeheartedly with this.
     
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    Seems to me that the ATP doesn't deem an OG prestigious enough than even a MS title since they granted the Olympics merely 750 points so who are we to talk? :lol:
     
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    Both mean the same for your country in Olympics terms. As far as achievements goes winning the Olympic gold isn't that impressive...Massu anyone?
     
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    You're comparing Olympics to Majors which is not a fair comparison.

    A gold medal for your country is a gold medal for your country. The goal of an Olympiad is to win a gold medal. it doesn't matter if it's an individual sport or a team sport. Are you saying all the gold medals for team events aren't as prestigious as singles gold medals?
     
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    Any slam can be won by not having to face even a single player in the top 50. Ofcourse this has never occurred in the history of tennis but it CAN happen. Infact the WTF is the ONLY tournament where one is guaranteed to have to beat a top 8 player in order to win the tournament.

    Would that then mean the WTF > slams?

    My point being that just because it can happen doesn't really lend itself to being a good argument, wouldn't you agree? Ofcourse it's different if you were arguing that one can lose once and still win the WTF (since that has happened several times) and that's a legit point IMO. But basing the argument on two losses happening seems pointless since it's never happened before and is extremely unlikely it ever would!

    But the thing is batz, these very players views that you are presenting as evidence, are actually saying that OG > Slam! (Andre, Murray, Delpo etc).

    Now would you ever argue because of these statements that Slam > OG? I'm guessing not, and neither would I. But then my question to you is this. By NOT arguing for such a thing when the players are clearly saying their OG victory is greater than their slams, are you and I "putting our fingers in our ears and going 'lalalalalalala can't hear you" and choosing the path of willful ignorance and conceit?
     
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    Andy values his OG more than his USO win because that was his breakthrough win. If his breakthrough win came at the AO/Wimby earlier,he'd be singing a different tune.(Come at me, Murray fans)
     
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    Maybe they do, but they are not the same in tennis terms. Achievements in doubles have no bearing on a player's record as a single player - that's the stretch that Monfed et al are making.

    Your attempt to denigrate the Olympic Singles Gold because Roger hasn't won it is a bit sad.

    There was a time, not that long ago, where you could find some lesser known names in the winners' list for the Australian Open - does that mean it shouldn't be valued today?
     
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    They are analogous. You wouldn't dream of stating that slam success in doubles is equivalent to slam success in singles, so what's different about the Olympics?
     
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    I see such threads (as far as noone can peek into the mind of a particular players) as an excercise in reasonable thinking.

    The bolded part has to do with what you displayed before Murray went big and after (including this thread) that.

    You said something about not listening and ignorance, so I just made sure, that we are on the same page.

    And while I am at it. Tell me with a straight face, that you consider olympic bronze medal a greater achievement than winning a Major or admit, that you are using arguments that you don't even believe in. OK?
     
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    I don't need to agree with them to believe that what they say is relevant. I don't agree with them that OG > WTF, but I still posted what they said. If someone starts a thread about OG > slam then I would also post what they said - whilst disagreeing with them.
     
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    He didn't say it was "greater". I don't know where you got that from. He said he was prouder of the Olympic Gold than anything else. If Federer said he was prouder of winning Basel than winning Madrid, would it mean he thought Basel>Madrid? Federer prioritizes Basel over Paris Indoors. Does that mean he thinks Basel>Paris Indoors?
     
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    For the FOURTH time, I see OG and WTF as being equal.

    Other people ( some tennis players) think differently. It's OK for me to post what they say.

    I don't see how I can break it down to sentences that are any simpler.

    If you want to take all sorts of other things out of what I've posted then fill your boots mate.
     
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    lol, I'd still be saying the OG wasn't all that even if Roger did win it. Attacking my character because I don't agree with you, now that's sad.

    I think winning a 'major' doubles titles would be more impressive than winning a singles title in a way. Federer has plenty of grass and hardcourt titles, winning doubles requires a different set of skills. It's more rounded to have some doubles achievements. Many past greats played alot of doubles, it's only recently that the top guys don't care about it. Obviously winning a doubles gold has no baring on Federer's singles career, but then again he has the best singles career in the open era anyway...

    And as for your AO example yes, I would take that into account. I don't count amateur majors as full majors so why would I count the ugly step child of early Open Era tennis as a full major too? At one point the YEC was more prestigious than the AO infact.
     
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    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

    I'm not debating the meaning of the word 'greater' with you. This is not Talk Semantics. Thanks.
     
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    They say Steffi Graf is the only winner of calendar golden slam.
    They don't say she won the calendar year slam and a gold medal for her country. :D

    Funny they don't mention that she won the WTF that year but they do with the olympic gold. It's maybe because Miami has always been seen as the 5th slam. The wtf is tournament that determines who is the most fresh of all the tired players of the season lol.

    Obviously a gold medal in singles is included in your individual resumé as a singles player.
     
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    LOL indeed. It's just sheer coincidence that it is the most fundamentalist of Roger fans who seek to denigrate the Olympic Singles Gold while simultaneously talking up the value of Olympic Doubles Gold.

    The cognitive dissonance is quite something to behold.
     
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    I'm guessing more than the number of English words you can comprehend. If you can't understand the difference between preference and relevance, I'm not debating anything with you. Good day.
     
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    I understand just fine. I'm just not willing to debate the meaning of the word greater with you.

    Good day to you too.
     
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    We got that the first time.

    I personally would have been fine with it, if you didn't go on to comment on the opinions of former and current players, whose opinions are in line with your position or even more extreme (and no, they don't "think differently" as you put it). That is the problem with you using their opinions). Unless you like playing the wise (you know, amongst the posters, who (rightfully so) attack the opinions of past Greats) guy role, you are actually agreeing with them and using them as part of your argumentation.

    If you wanted to just mention the opinion of the past Greats on this matter, why don't you quote Sampras's opinion?

    And we still don't have your straight answer whether you think that what Del Potro said is, in your opinion, correct.
     
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    Apologies - I missed the question. No, I don't agree with Delpo that OB > slam. But that doesn't mean he doesn't genuinely believe it is.
     
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    Why would I talk up the Olympic singles? Federer has more hardcourt masters than anyone, he's also tied for the number of Wimbledon titles. So winning a masters level event isn't exactly a huge deal for his singles resume.

    And only a rabbid fan of Andy would get so defensive over the value of the Olympics. How good is Federer's singles resume? Now how good is his doubles resume? All I said was that I think winning a major doubles title where all the top singles players are competing is more significant than winning another hardcourt title or grass title. Especially a title which is the equivalent of a masters.

    Neither match up the WTF though which is the point of the thread. As a fan of Roger I value that he showed all round ability by winning the doubles. But it's not more prestigious than the singles of course.

    The fact is as a stand alone event the Olympics is only about as hard to win as a best of 5 final masters e.g. a far cry from a major. The WTF has historically been the 5th major. Don't worry, Andy will surely get his 3rd major soon, that will lessen the pain of knowing he hasn't actually done it yet.
     

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