Worst band ever: REM or Chili Peppers?

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Worst band ever?

  1. R.E.M.

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  2. Red Hot Chili Peppers

    70.3%
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  1. Power Player

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    You sure it's not True Religion jeans and an untucked button down shirt? that seems to be the "im newly single and 50!!!" outfit down here.
     
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    Would you suggest listening to REM, Chili Peppers, or Brian Wilson?

    Or Andy Roddick (I had no idea he was behind Pet Sounds?).
     
  3. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    look, I've always thought the Beatles were terribly overrated, but I understand it, particularly from the perspective of the Baby Boomers.

    I, as a musician, have always been much more interested in other acts from the time (Hendrix, Beach Boys, The Who)

    however, the thread drift has made all this irrelevant.

    I now give you, the worst band of all time...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLbaFavEfAs
     
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    If you don't like it that's fine. A lot of people don't like it. But, it had a huge influence on music, and the music industry from that point.

    One of the biggest was the amount of time and effort that people put in to making an album. From 1961-1965 The Beach Boys released 10 albums, I think. Pet Sounds alone took a full year to complete.

    Basically how it worked was, Brian stayed home, composed the music, The band would tour, return home, add in the vocals, leave and tour some more. Albums had to be made fast, and not a great deal of effort was put into the album, aside from 2 or 3 hit songs.

    After Pet Sounds, that entire culture changed. People, started taking a lot more time over an album, and making sure that it was a complete product on its own.

    Look at a lot of the big albums of the 70's, A Night At the Opera, Children of The World, pretty much any Queen Album in fact, The Who's albums. The reason is a direct result of Pet Sounds.
     
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    No kiddin!!!
     
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    Join the club! I thought it was on Pet Sounds too. And when the best song on Pet Sounds isn't even on Pet Sounds, well, you know the album's got a problem...

    Gentlemen, it's very simple: you let women who are the target age of women you'd like to date pick out your clothes. If you like girls in their 20's (and who doesn't?) let them pick out your jeans, and if you like girls in their 30's (and who doesn't?), you let them pick them out. But when you have a pair of jeans that pleases both your target group AND your teenage daughter and women your own age, well, you know you've got a winner.

    Beatles had nothing to do with all this, huh?

    Exactly. There's no shame in asking for help.
     
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    Science Gets Involved!

    Guys, we can spend days debating which band is best using our subjective opinions, so maybe it's better if we just scientifically quantify things to put this matter to rest. I've gone ahead and run the numbers, and the results are contained herein.

    Using a 1-10 scoring system, with 10 being the best, the following bands score thusly. (Please keep in mind that this list is not exhaustive, solo and solo-type acts are not included, and I reserve the right to add bands I've forgotten to the list, as well as adjust rankings as new data comes in. While we don't have space here to explain all the variables that go into determining a band's final number, perhaps the most important one is sheer number of great songs. Also, the margin of error is 1<.)

    10: The Beatles

    9: The Rolling Stones

    8: The Beach Boys

    7: Led Zeppelin, The Doors, Pink Floyd, The Bee Gees (pre-disco of course), The Who (mostly on the strength of Tommy).

    6: Cream, Jefferson Airplane, The Mama's and the Papa's, The Byrds.

    There are many other bands that produced many wonderful songs, but for one reason don't qualify as 6 or above. But it should be stressed that a band that rates a VERY respectable 4 or 5 is a VERY good band, so please don't be upset if you don't see your favorite band listed.

    Finally, bringing up the rear, we have:

    -2: REM
    -3: Red Hot Chili Peppers

    Any questions? And do feel free to inquire about the scores of your favorites!
     
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    I wonder if this chap has ever heard of Muse or Radiohead?

    I guess it's just a generational thing.

    I will always take 'Fall on Me' or "Scar Tissue' over anything the Beatles ever did. This isn't because I don't rate the Beatles but because I find them bland, derivitive and cloyingly 'nice'

    The Stones? Well, yes, but The Who wrote better songs and Cream were far better musicians than any of them.

    Why pre-disco for the Bee Gees? Or are you really that narrow minded?

    I bet you hate Nirvana, too...
     
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    Calling either of them as the "worst ever" is harsh... I see your point about the hype.. there might be some truth there.. but that true for a LOT of highly successful bands
    If your poll said.. "which is worse of these 2 bands".. you might get somewhere...maybe ;)
     
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    Queen can't be left out. The same for Kansas, Muse and King Crimson.

    But glad you mentioned Bee Gees when 90% of the people think they're just "Stayin' Alive" and the disco crap and ignore their first albums.
     
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    I grew up on Disco-era Bee Gees, so it bypasses my muso filter entirely. I love it, all of it.

    I love Cream, but I'd put the Experience above them (studio innovation, guitar, signature songs, etc.)

    Velvet Underground should go on there, rating at least a 7.

    It can't be understated how much the Beach Boys influenced British pop music. That influence was wider reaching and longer lasting than their legacy in the States; that may be part of the disconnect. The way the Who and Queen arrange and produce harmonies go back to the Beach Boys. The way the Beatles use minor keys to evoke unresolved melancholy behind lovelorn lyrics go back to the Beach Boys. Phil Spector and Brill Building popularized reverb as a way to convey foreground/background in pop, but the Beach Boys introduced the idea of miniaturist pop.

    Pet Sounds had a fluency in arrangement that even eludes Revolver and Sgt Pepper. The production is forward thinking, but never treated as a special effect.
     
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    :lol: That's a good one. What delusional fool told you that?
     
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    If you judge the Beatles today, sure there are many better sounds and compositions. But if you compare them to THEIR ERA, they are absolutely GOATing. It's seriously a lot like tennis. Put Rod Laver with his wooden racquet and his S&V and no nutrition advisor, fitness coach, physiotherapeut etc. up against some random top 200 dude and he gets roasted. That doesn't mean that he wasn't influential and amazing for his time. The Beatles are like that.
     
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    Sound yes. Compositions, not so much. Some Lennon songs could be written 20 years from now and would still be masterpieces.
     
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    This is correct. It's the compositions that made the Beatles so great and influential. Compare it to the Rolling Stones and it's a whole different league.
     
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    Poor kid. These guys will not be remembered in 10, 20, or 30 years, but the Beatles sure will.


    "Tommy" was fantastic, but no too much else the Who did is in a league with the best of the best. And not really interested in the musicianship of Cream, since it's less important than their output. (Think a guy with a great serve and volley, but who can't put it all together very often.)

    Because the disco stuff was pretty lame (though I guess not bad when compared with other, lamer disco stuff.) As for Nirvana, they were decent.

    Kansas?? As for Queen, Freddie Mercury was a hugely talented singer as mentioned previously, but the quality of their output was more than a bit shaky. "Another one bites the dust"? Eee Gads...

    I grew up with it too, unfortunately, and only discovered the good Bee Gees stuff later on.

    I didn't know what to do with Hendrix, since I consider him a solo-type act, but If I did put him on there, he'd probably be in the 6's as well, or a 5. (Simon and Garfunkel wasn't included because they are a duo more than a band, but they are a high 7, at least.)

    The proof is in the pudding...

    Yes, of course. Somehow i don't think the same will be said for these Lemonheads and Radiomuse acts...

    Let's not get carried away. The Beatles might be better, but the Stones produced an incredible number of fantastic songs.
     
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    I enjoy the Velvet Underground myself, but I think we're talking a 4 or 5 at best.

    The Beatles were more influential than the Beach Boys. Hell, there would be no Pet Sounds if it weren't for the Beatles. As for all this 'inside baseball' talk of "fluency of arrangement" and "miniarturist pop" stuff, who cares? It's the songs that ultimately matter, and Revolver def. Pet Sounds 6-0,6-2,6-1.
     
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    Once you have a "(insert band) is overrated" topic, you're in that kind of discussion. The details matter. It's the same thing when people engage "Who vs. Zeppelin vs. Stones" debates.

    VU, I have as a 8 or 9.

    There would have been no Sgt Pepper without Pet Sounds.
     
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    Not even close. The Velvet Underground has about half-a-dozen great and memorable songs -- and I'm being generous. Compare that to true "8" or "9" groups like the Beach Boys and Stones, who have dozens.

    I'm not sure I believe that. I know Paul McCartney generously praises the album, but the Beatles were already doing amazing albums like Rubber Soul and Revolver. They didn't exactly need inspiration.

    Brian Wilson, on the other hand, said he was directly influenced and inspired by Rubber Soul, and that's what led to Pet Sounds.
     
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    I don't buy this midlife crisis nonsense -- or I've have been suffering one all my life. (Plus not one of the guys in this pic has the sense to wear skinny jeans). I just date the women I'm most attracted to and that I can snag: sometimes they are closer to my age (once older), and sometimes not so close.

    Basically, single men seek the most desirable women, and that generally means younger. T'would be unnatural not to date the best, no?


    I love Tommy Bahama... have way more HM stuff though.
     
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    Yeah, we'll have to disagree on that. The first time I heard "Velvet Underground & Nico", it was shocking to hear 11 songs that could plausibly have grandfathered 11 different genres of college/indie rock. Half of the songs on that album alone are classics to me. They're just not radio staples.

    As you know, there was an artistic back exchange between Brian Wilson and Macca/Lennon. Rubber Soul inspired Brian to make a "total album." McCartney listened to Pet Sounds and changed how he used his bass playing to carry a song. Brian inspired Paul to go further in "pop symphony" direction. Borrowing music hall elements yet still playing by the pop playbook.
     
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    Another One Bites The Dust is not even a Top 30 Queen song.

    If you're going to judge a band, do it based on their best stuff, not by a mediocre 3 chord song. 90% of songs written by Mercury or May are better than that one. Deacon was never a great songwriter, although he did write some nice songs (Spread Your Wings, or Best Friend).

    And what's wrong with Kansas?? They're a fantastic band.
     
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    It was one of their biggest hits though. The band didn't really like however, it barely made it on to the album. The only reason it was ever released as a single was because Michael Jackson suggested it.

    But yeah, Mercury and May were the primary song writers for Queen. Songs like Bohemian Raphosdy and Somebody to Love, had enormous complexity to them.
     
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    What are these half dozen classic songs? I have the VU on my ipod, and there's really only a few songs I enjoy hearing on a a regular basis. I skip the rest.

    But who 'needed' who more? The Beatles were going to do innovative things with or without Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys. Not so sure the opposite is true.


    If Kansas has another song besides the acceptable but not exceptional "Carry on my wayward son", I'm not aware of it.

    As for Queen, I'm sorry, but it's not our fault that their most popular songs are the only ones known to mankind. Furthermore, in my cursory investigation into their other songs, I've found only one I could bear listening to so far. So many of them seem to have a distinctly "Another one bites the dust" feel to them.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freddie Mercury had an Elvis problem: phenomenal singer, but few wonderful songs.
     
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    What does this have to with tennis? It's a little insulting. I like both, REM more if that helps.
     
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    I'm not sure if these posts are serious, or just plain trolling. Brian Wilson was already moving away from Surf stuff well before Pet Sounds. The "Today" album does not have a single surfing or car song on it. Also Smile was not inspired by The Beatles.

    Next, Freddie Mercury was one of the primary song writers for Queen. He wrote 10 of the 17 songs on their greatest hits album. Bohemian Raphosdy, Sombody to Love, Love of my Life, Crazy Little Thing Called Love, Don't Stop Me Now, We Are The Champions, Seven Seas of Rhye. Freddie Mercury was a terrific song writer.
     
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    Dust? Wind?

    Dude... :roll:
     
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    Can you tell us what some of these great songs are? I can't think of them. Good Vibrations? Anything else?

    You just proved my case better than I could, Ninman. Most of these songs aren't great. Bohemian Rhaphosdy, yes. Everything else listed? Nope.



    Oh, yes. That middling piece of work. I think remembered another song of theirs earlier in the day as well, but I've already forgotten it. Not surprising, since they weren't a particularly distinguished band.

    Hell, just be thankful solo artists aren't included here, dParis, because Neil Young has at least twice as many great songs as Queen and Kansas put together. He'd be way up there.
     
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    If you don't know The Beach Boys Catalogue then you aren't really able to say if it was great or not. However to satisfy your small mind, here we go.

    Please Let me Wonder, Good to My Baby, Kiss Me Baby, When I Grow Up (To be a Man), Help Me Rhonda.

    All from that one Album. Also Good Vibrations was written after Pet Sounds.

    You honestly think that Somebody to Love is not as good as Bohemian Raphosdy?
     
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    don't argue with him, it's pointless.

    he called me kid, lol, probably because I named a couple of bands he considers 'modern'. Never mind that both have had longer recording and performing careers than The Beatles and are (gasp) still together. (and enormously successful both in terms of commercial success and critical acclaim.

    he's just a beatles fan boy, doesn't even realise how derivative they were because he's never heard of the people they listened to (and freely acknowledged as influences)

    just don't waste your breath.
     
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    What if no one won.......
     
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    Carry On Blah,blah,blah... and Dust in the Wind are all I can remember. And I think someone played a violin prominently.

    Ha, all this talk of great (and not so great) bands and you have to drop the equivalent of a steaming turd in our morning Cheerios.
     
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    Help me Rhonda? Boy, that was some ground-breaking stuff. I bet the Beatles were shaking in their boots when they heard that one...

    I'm sure I've heard almost everything the Beach Boys have done at one time or another, but I can't help it if I can't remember unmemorable songs.

    Nope. It suffers a problem that's often found in Queen songs: Not the most pleasant sound on any level. It's not the worst song in the world -- it' not like we're talking REM or RHCP or anything -- but there is something abrasive about it.


    Are you the Radiohead and Muse kid? Ah yes. Two of the greats... Yup. Beatles, Stones, Radiohead, and Muse. The final four of rock and roll!
     
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    Queen in interpretation and songwriting is miles ahead of Neil Young. Neil Young was a great LYRICIST but nothing special as a songwriter.

    "Somebody to Love" is a fantastic song, ALMOST as good as "Boh Rap". The same goes for "March of the Black Queen", "Innuendo" and "Millonaire Waltz". Do you think those aren't great??

    Very complex, full of arrangements and a magnificent interpretation. Queen had 3 great vocalists (one was out of this world), while some bands barely have one.

    And first you say you only heard ONE Kansas song, but then yoy go on and say Neil has twice as many good songs as them...How can you know if you never listened to them??

    You seem to believe HITS are the best songs from their any band, and they're not. Hits are a success because they're more commercial and easy-listening for the public. Kansas has dozens of great songs. Dust In The Wind, The Wall, Point Of Know Return, Rainmaker, Miracles Out Of Nowhere, The Pinnacle, etc.
     
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    accidental irony 101

    you would find plenty of music critics who would agree, actually..

    but I bet you never even heard of OK Computer, have you?
     
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    Ok Computer is a masterpiece. Maybe the best album of the 90's.
     
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    ye, I could mount an argument for that.
     
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