Worst Top Ranked Player from 1990-Federer

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  1. BGod

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    Since Federer took over as world #1 in 2004, only him, Nadal and Djokovic have held it and none of those guys would qualify as the worst since 1990.

    I pick 1990 because it was the start of a decade that saw many switches at the #1 ranking, some that were very short.


    My short list for worst #1 ranked players:

    Marcelo Ríos-Never won a Slam. Reached the Aussie Final and five other Quarter-final appearances, two more in Australia. He held the ranking twice for a total of 6 weeks.

    Thomas Muster-We all know the story of his 1 week reign after winning the French, his only Slam. He made 3 quarters at the U.S. and 2 semifinals in Australia but several early round exits including his strongest surface and one of the worst top player on grass ever.

    Carlos Moya-A Final appearance at the Aussie in 97 and then a win at the 98 French and semifinal appearance in United States with not much after.
     
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    Kafelnikov, good player but he took over the ranking after 6 straight losses...
     
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    Of course Rios, and by far
     
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  4. Sabratha

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    What about Patrick Rafter? He only held the spot for 1 week.
     
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  5. Russeljones

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    I'd say it's Moya. Rios could be a dream to watch, as well as a nightmare. But at least his absolute best was really something. Can't say the same about Moya.
     
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    Eh.. Gave Hewitt trouble when he was No. 1.. was a solid top ten player for a few years.. He had more success than Rios overall, but Rios was more talented.
     
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    Moya was a good player, definitely not better than Rios peak for peak but he achieved a lot more. He was a solid top player from 97 to 2004 excluding a period of injury.
     
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  8. dominikk1985

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    moya and rios probably.
     
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    he won 2 USO and reached 2 W finals. much better than what rios achieved. kafelnikov was probably the worst 2 slam winner but at least he won 2. rios won nothing and even worse his only final appearance was also his only SF appearance.

    Is there any other no. 1 who only made one SF his whole career?
     
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    I am just interpreting the OP in this way. Who I prefer as a number 1. And I said I prefer someone with a better game peak-for-peak. I am very well aware of what Rios has not achieved (although, technically, he should be considered an AO champion).
     
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    Do you say that because of Korda's doping? Didn't he test positive about 6 months later? (I'm not being naive btw, but just assuming that the rule book probably says he can't have a title stripped if it was won 6 months prior to when he actually tested positive)
     
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    He only won 11 titles in his career though.. that isn't great for a former No. 1.
     
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    I find it hard to imagine that was a one-off dabble on Korda's part. I've been told by US navy personnel that tests on their ships can reveal traces of the Ouzo they had when last in port up to 6 months later. I don't know if that's a fable, but still, in my mind the clean player lost and the cheat profited.

    PS: Rios never said anything about it after the bust and credit to him for that.

    PPS: He also said he didn't want to put in the effort, and that really summed up his career.
     
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    its irrational to pick Moya as worse than Rios, while also saying that Federer is the best because 17>14.
     
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    For many there are multiple reasons for why Federer is the best as well as 17>14...

    I tend to give credence to the circumstances of how a player became #1. Rios also won the Grand Slam Cup which was a huge event in the 90's.
     
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    But Rios is a left hander, and so has an unfair match-up advantage against other players. How can he be better than a right-hander?
     
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    I would have to say Lleyton Hewitt.

    He was #1 at a time when the competition was severely diluted.
    His win at Wimbledon was during the worst ever seed results, ever.
    His game was, is and will always be lame.

    I cannot understand how he held the ranking for so many weeks???
     
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    The worst number 1 is a guy that held the ranking for 2 YE #1's? Won 2 slams and also 2 YEC's?

    Keep dreaming.

    An era with Safin, Kuerten, Agassi, Ferrero, Sampras, Moya, Kafelnikov, Federer etc...Is severely diluted? It wasn't the strongest era but he was number 1 at age 20, the youngest ever. He has a leading h2h with Sampras, tied with Agassi including wins over them as a teenager.
     
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    I disagree.

    Apart from Agassi, all the players you listed were, during '01-'02 were virtually non-combatants…

    The Fed was just breaking into the top 10.
    Guga was not interested.
    Sampras, bless his heart, was doing his best impersonation of the SS Titanic.
    …and the others are virtually as much no-names as Little Leyton himself.

    While you're at it, why not throw in a few other random names… "Canas, Srichaphan, Gonzalez, Corretja, Schalken, Gaudio, El Aynaoui, Chela, Rios, Malisse…"

    Hewitt was THE lamest #1 EVER… I call him the LOAT!!!
     
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    Hewitt was actually a pretty decent #1, won 2 YECs and 2 slams, was ranked in the top 10 for a majority of the 2000-2005 period and was #2 behind Federer before Nadal came along, made back to back HC finals, losing to Federer and a red-hot Safin, and was a beast back in the day. A much better version of Ferrer.

    So Safin, Rafter and Agassi are no names? What a freakin' joke. Sampras made the finals at the USO consistently from 2000-2002 and lost only to Safin and Hewitt... he also beat great competition there in that time period... probably the best of the time.

    Federer was also ranked within the top 10 in 2002, as were Moya and several other former #1s... and were better than most of the top 10 today. Wawrinka? Berdych? Isner? They are nowhere near as good as the field back in 2000-2005.

    Hewitt also has nearly 30 titles... He's a better player than Rafter.

    I am seriously amazed at the fact you even mentioned Hewitt.. he's even ranked on the list for most weeks at No. 1 (a gauge for consistency within the top spot). Are the other players mentioned here?

    Edit: Guga not interested? He won a slam in 2001 and was ranked behind Hewitt for a good portion of 2002, before his injury woes arose.
     
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    You also forgot the fact that Hewitt has beaten Nadal, Federer and Sampras on grass... Doesn't that even it out a bit more in terms of competition? He's proven his worth on grass.
     
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    Depends what you mean by top-ranked. You talking the top 10, top 20, etc.?
     
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    Yes, I agree, we're talking about former #1's… so really, they're all quality players.

    You don't often get to be #1 for any period of time without having talent, skill and tenacity…

    I guess my point is Hewitt IMHO had the least potent game = LOAT.

    If you've watched him live, it's quite amazing, and therefore surprising, he rose to the heights mentioned…

    Yes, Patty Rafter was #1 for one measly week (go figure), but at peak, his game seemed more effective, with touch, power and versatility, than Aussie Lleyton...
     
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    At his peak, I believe Hewitt edges Rafter in terms of game.. His H2H against him says it all and the fact that he's won nearly 3 times as many titles. But, to me, Rafter had the lamer game (IMO; touch, yes, but lacking power and relying heavily on volleys and put aways).

    I've met Hewitt before in real life, unfortunately I did not get to hit with him, but he seemed like a down-to-earth gentlemen.. According to other players, he is a hard one to put away... even today. Jerzy struggled with Hewitt today and he is 10 years past his best.
     
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  26. Paul Murphy

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    Two US Opens - not too shabby.
     
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    Agree completely.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Rios for me.
     
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    I never said it was great but this is about who is the worst and Rios clearly beats him in that regard:).

    rios won a couple more titles but rafter did much better at grand slams. rafter had a late start and short career due to injuries but for a couple of years he was a really dominant player on fast courts even beating peak sampras on his home turf.

    Rios is considered "talented" but he never had a 2-3 year run like rafter had.
     
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    you have to consider that most of those players were pre-prime (fed) or post prime (sampras, agassi) though. the 98-03 era was indeed quite weak.

    still of course hewitt doesn't belong anywhere near this discussion because of his achievements during his best years (01 and 02).
     
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    Agassi was still prime imo. The only clearly better years he had were 1995 and 1999.
     
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    You forgot that Hewitt was one of Federer's main rival, and is therefor one of the weakest player ever.
     
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    Federer was playing pretty well circa 2002 and he did win Wimbledon the year after. Sampras still played great tennis at the USO, making consecutive finals there from 2000-2002. Agassi was probably playing some of his best tennis and his results show it.. he beat #1 Hewitt in the USO SF and if he didn't; there's no telling what damage Hewitt would have done to Pete in the final... (he did not lose a single match against Pete after he was 19 years old).
     
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    Yep, Federer was a good player in 2002. He made the final of Miami (beating Hewitt along the way), won Hamburg and made a good showing at the YEC winning all his RR matches and nearly taking out eventual champion Hewitt.

    His results in the slams left a lot to be desired, though his match versus Haas in the 4R of the AO was a great contest. Could have gone deep if he edged that out.
     
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