Would Federer be better than Messi if he chose to play football?

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  1. robbo1970

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    The trouble Argentina have had in recent years is that whilst they are good, there have been teams in their way that were slightly better.

    If you take France 98, France won that without a decent centre forward, inspired by the then best player, Zidane. Also, the Brazil team of that era had the likes of Ronaldo (pre-weight gain), Rivaldo (pre-face clutching after a ball hit his leg), Roberto Carlos and Cafu.

    Jump forward and you have the emergence of Germany and Spain.

    Messi is very, but not in the same league as Maradona at his peak when he carried an average Argentina team to glory in 1986. Look up Maradona on you tube and you will see he was a magician. Love him or hate him, you cannot deny he was arguably the best ever.

    Would Federer be better in comparison if he was a footballer? Different players, I would compare Federer to Zidane and Nadal to Messi.
     
  2. forzamilan90

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    Maradona cheated. Hand of god is one of the worst offenses in the sport's history. That entire run is tarnished to me.
     
  3. forzamilan90

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    One more thing: In football you can only be the best at your position not overall. Maradona prioritized as an offensive role and he's a candidate for best ever in that. People like Maldini or Beckenbauer how do you compare them to Maradona? What bout goalkeepers like Yashin or Kahn, they only stay at goal?you can only be the best at their position. Too radical roles can't say one is definitively best ever in that sport.
     
  4. Phoenix1983

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    Maybe, but his second goal in that same match was possibly the finest in history.

    The guy was a genius and consistently led mediocre teams (Argentina of late 80s/early 90s, Napoli of the same period) to successes that would have proven impossible without him.

    This is why, to me, he is the GOAT footballer: because even Pele, Messi, Beckenbauer et al all played in teams with other great players. However Maradona basically won everything on his own...
     
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    The sad fact is, footballers' (and other sportspersons) will cheat if they can get away with it. Going down easily from a slight tap, a few sneaky shirt pulls in the penalty area. It goes on all the time.

    Whilst it should never be condoned, it is up to the referee to spot these things. If you watch Maradona's celebratory run, he is looking at the referee and waiting for the whistle to blow for a free kick.

    Similarly, if you look at the penalty that Michael Owen won against Argentina in 1998, a moderate cough from a defender would have sent him tumbling. Cheating is cheating, but luckily for Michael Owen, his goal shortly after has eclipsed the dive for the penalty.

    And this is coming from and Englishman remember :)

    I think when you look at natural ability, whilst great players in their positions, you would put Maradona above the likes of Beckenbaur, Maldini and Platini.
     
  6. forzamilan90

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    ^^^that's the way most see it cause flashiness and goals>defense tactics and composure but i still think defenders really get the short end of the stick....

    Yeah not a fan of diving. ****ing Gerrard (2005 champions league final that still hurts).
     
  7. Goosehead

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    plus messi isnt going to stop..he is the ideal professional..loves training, loves playing, loves barcelona, got a settled home life,,

    in fact messi has grown into his talent on a psychological level also.
     
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    Riquelme was the man but he sucked
     
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    Football is the only sport where 3 m charruas
    feel better than 30 million of criollos
    Uruguay is mistic
     
  11. forzamilan90

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    how can you be the man but suck?
     
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    But the second goal is arguably one of the best, if not the best, goals in World Cup history

    Diego Maradona single handedly took Argentina to the crown in 1986. Unlike Pele he didn't have the support of a superb team to back him up.

    He took an off color Argentine team to World Cup Final in 1990. It was also pure magic.. The goal that Caniggia scored against Brazil from the through ball of Maradona was another gem of an assist..
     
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    Fixed that for you :)
     
  15. Goosehead

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    naah..1st goal handball and the 2nd was a butcher o.g..

    and murkydonna didnt take argentina to the 1990 wc final he was just in the team..argentina and murkydonna were average, they staggered through the group stage in 3rd place out of 4 on goal diff...beat brazil in 2nd rd then it was crap football and pens after aet until the final..in fact in 1986 he had a quiet final, in 1990 wc final he was feeble.
     
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    Maradona was playing with a broken ankle in the WC 1990 and he sent Argentina to the final. Argentina was pretty average that WC anyway, we diserved to lose against Brazil like 3-0 but we were lucky (they hit like 5 times the posts) and Maradona sent us through (he made a wonderful assist to Caniggia and we won 1-0).

    I still rate him a bit higher than Messi, but Messi will surpass him probably.
     
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    they are both from your country so you can gloat over the rest of the planet that the world most popular sport has two of the world best ever players..

    ive been a messi fan over here in england since spring of 2005 as a regular viewer of real madrid and fc barcelona every weekend in la liga..

    by the way please give Pele a prod in the chest and tell him to stop banging on about his 1200+ goals,, he scored 550 ish legitimate league goals in a league of dubious quality (still mind blowing though)..but he cant count goals scored in
    a) freindlies
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    b) army teams
    ......................round robin tourneys in the middle of freak knows where and are still freindlys anyhow
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    c) matches against youth teams
    ......................d)exhibition matches where the opposition are encouraged not to try to hard,
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    e)on the golden sands of the copacabana beach,

    but goals scored v the nazis in the film 'Escape to Victory'..do count. :-|
     
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    Uruguay is the greatest football nation
    2 WC and 2 OGM without considering Copa America
    When Uruguay won the Olimpics the event had World Cup status
    URUGUAY AND AUSTRALIA THE GREATEST FOLLOWED BY YUGOSLAVIA IN BASKETBALL IN PER CAPITA
    Uruguay: a major win each 750000 people
    Australia: 1 DC every 750000 people and that not counting individual slams titles
     
  19. forzamilan90

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    Uruguay are among the best at accomplishments...but Brasil, Italy and Germany are the three greatest national teams of all time
     
  20. BauerAlmeida

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    I'd say is something like this:

    1-Brazil (by far)
    2-Italy
    3-Germany
    4-Argentina
    5-Uruguay

    True about Pele having more than 1200 goals, that's ridiculous. The official amount is a lot smaller. Still impressive, but almost half of those goals were in friendlies and unofficial matches.
     
  21. Gonzo_style

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    Pele is overrated and his comments about Messi are disgusting.
     
  22. Goosehead

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    they are i went right off Pele when he started going on about how messi can forget about being the goat until he scores 1200 goals then we can talk :evil:

    oh really..Pele and his haul of joke goals..Pele's wikipedia career stats page makes for a revealing read..but i wont **** off Pele i did that a post or two back :neutral:
     
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    the you're gay titles were before the open era, they don't count:D.
     
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    Youth career too. Both Pele and Romario's records are all over the place and inconsistent. Puskas and Bican's records are more accurate

    btw if Spain wins this upcoming world cup....they eclipse Uruguay imo, not to mention 4 straight major tourneys in a row (hell nobody had done 3 and Spain set the record emphatically)
     
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    lol both Pele and Maradona were great but those guys are senile...Maradona and Pele war of words is both hilarious and embarassing
     
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    I agree that per capita Uruguay is by far the best footballing nation, both at this moment in time and in history.

    For a country with a population of just 3.5 million people to achieve so much; 2 titles and 3 more semi-finals at the World Cup, a record 15 Copa America titles, 2 Olympic Gold Medals when the tournament was the precursor to the World Cup etc, is truly amazing. They have some famous away victories over their local rivals Brazil and Argentina in the 1950 World Cup and 1987 Copa America respectively.

    Plus they have have consistently produced so many world class and talented players that have joined the biggest clubs in Europe. What ever infrastructure and coaching system they have there, it sure has worked well.
     
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    I think federer would be the best at Archery, if we're gonna go into abstract threads with nonsensical conclusions.
     
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    Yeah, maybe. But I don't know if they will be the favorites. Hard to tell now.

    And Bican is the player with more official goals scored I think.
     
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    a comment from Wertheim in his mailbag today

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/news/20121212/caroline-wozniacki-serena-williams/
     
  30. NadalAgassi

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    Graf would have dominated the womens 800 metre distance from 1991-2000 had she chosen track and field. Maria Mutola who? She might have also challenged for the top in the 400 and 1500 metres.
     
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    Federer has the speed, strength coordination and temperament to have been very good at football. Apparently he was also quite skillful. I see him being a complete striker in the mold of Klose. Not saying he would be as good as Klose, but there is not a chance he would be close to Messi. Anyway considering Federer has not played football properly for over 10 years, I doubt his skills now would be anything close to when he was 12.

    As for the comments on Pele, I can only laugh. To dominate just 1 world cup is special and legendary. To dominate 2 is unbelievable. He alone has dominated and won 2 world cups and he alone has 3 world cup medals. This is probably something Messi can never hope to achieve already.

    Pele is grouchy and arrogant, but just watch him play. Lineaker once said “Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win.”

    It would be more accurate to say “Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, Pele wins.”

    You could outplay his team, but at the end of the day when it mattered most Pele usually came up with something special to win it. He was a big game player like Zidane and Drogba, onlya mix of the two and better.
     

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