Would it benefit Federer to...

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  1. wings56

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    Would it benefit Federer to let out some of his hot-headedness and play with a bit more emotion? Obviously, what initially pushed him (and others, i.e. Djokovic) into dominance was his ability to maintain a constant level as opposed to great up and down swings. It just seems as of late, that fire is what is keeping him from coming up with the mental goods to close out the big matches on the big stages.

    I'm not saying he should revert to his old racquet breaking self, but I wonder if he has just gotten too stable (if there is such a thing) in his on court mentality. There is endless debate on what he needs to do to beat certain players and I'm not trying to make a statement, just raising topic for discussion.

    Without a DOUBT Fed still has the physical ability. He has unfortunately come into a mental funk that needs to be fixed.
     
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  2. Tammo

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    Fed has lost physical ability. That is why his best result at the slams last year was at the French open.
     
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  3. phnx90

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    But wouldn't clay be the first surface where declining physical abilities would show up...?
     
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  4. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Fed's attitude is indeed a concern. He doesn't seem to care as much even though he may claim otherwise. After huge losses he just shrugs them off. Not the same Fed from yore.
     
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  5. Cup8489

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    Fed is such a shotmaker that this doesn't really apply to him. Clay gives him time to set up for his shots, and he's simply a better mover on it than most guys.
     
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  6. Nostradamus

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    Not really. because he moves so well on clay. he grew up on it. His timing and racket has speed is slowing down. Very very small margin but it makes a difference especially in critical points. Roger used to be better than everybody by 10-15 %. now he has come down to earth and is only better by 5%. problem is guys like Novak raised his level by 10 %
     
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  8. TheNatural

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    It would benefit Fed to work on his volleys and not to give up coming to net for the rest of the match after he gets passed twice.
     
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  9. achokshi99

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    Fed would benefit from facing guys like Roddick, Baghdatis, Gonzo, Phillipousis in GS finals. Could also sub in Lleyton Hewiit now as a second rate 35 y/o Agassi too. I like ripping the *******s but in all seriousness, Fed is more than capable of still winning a GS. He doesn't need an attitude adjustment. He can beat Djoker and I definitely believe he is due to beat Nadal in a big tournament. You watch Fed tear up Del Po in the AO or routinely destroy other top 10s. Sure he's lost to Berdych and Tsonga in GS but he came right back against Tsonga and tore him apart last year both at the USO and WTF. I think Nadal is slipping a bit, Fed's BH has gotten a lot better and I think if he can get past the mental hex he can take Nadal out. Against Nadal, Fed just plays poorly, not because of Nadal in a lot of cases, sometimes the shot selection and execution on even routine stuff is bizarre. I think Annacone is helping Fed a lot more than is evident, esp on the BH side and trying to close points out faster and I think this will help against Nadal sooner than people think.

    Djoker is in god mode but it can't be sustained. So in either case, Fed has a shot at a GS title still.

     
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  10. Homeboy Hotel

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    You'd actually be surprised how much emotion he starts to show now he's not the dominant multi-slam defending champion for the last couple years.

    When he's loosing he does amplify his body language - shrugging his shoulders, muttering to himself, instantly turning his back to bad points, shaking his head in disgust. It's very minor really, but slowly he's reverting back to his pre-slam days.
     
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  11. serve stopper

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    I think he should show some emotions. He needs to get cocky imo. In 09 Federer showed so much emotion and I think it made him a better player because of it
     
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  12. devila

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    no attitude change is required. fed's just overrated. djoker didn't play "a" level always...he's just not one dimensional as federer.
    only difference is federer stopped improving.

    this makes the fighting spirit of nadal more admirable, despite his heavy, jerky movements and weaker serve.
     
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    ^ This is the most absurd thing that I've read here in a while -- Federer is one dimensional (and overated)!!! Is this supposed to be sarcasm? I can't tell.

    The basic premise of this thread appears to be flawed. I guess that many here have forgotten (or did not realize) that, prior to his prime/dominance, Federer was quite emotional on the court. He was considered to be a hothead in his earlier years, even by his own admission.
     
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  14. Mike Sams

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    Some people said that after he has kids, he will decline in every way since tennis will not be his #1 love any longer.
     
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    I am sure tennis is not his number 1 love now that he has kids. Kids change everything. But, he is 30 so kids or no kids, he is much past his prime.
     
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  16. DeShaun

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    I have consciously tried to emulate his cocky, loose on-court demeanor. Sometimes this has served me well, acting (it seemed) as a kind of psyche job against lesser opponents. Other times, usually when playing against tougher opponents it seems, I desperately wanted to let out a massive roar just to purge myself of pent up tension, but I fought the impulse by maintaining stoicism and emotional equanimity--and that repression usually felt unnatural or somehow unhealthy.
     
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  17. Mike Sams

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    Instead of fighting hard like Djokovic, he just puts his head down and mopes. No fighting spirit left in him.
     
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    I think he might be over it. How will Djokovic and Nadal be at 30? Will either of them still be playing at that age? I highly doubt it.
     
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    Djokovic will the be the President of Serbia and Nadal will be the Spanish davis cup captain. :)


    jk
     
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  20. Mike Sams

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    30 is the new 20. Nadal has not even reached his prime. It's just his knees that are breaking but he can get knee surgery if need be and win another 32 Slams by the time he's 34.
     
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    More like Djokovic will be Serbian president and Rafa will be Serbian first lady.
     
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  22. Sentinel

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    Is it true then that Soderling will be the best man, and Davydenko the priest ?
     
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  23. CDestroyer

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    Yeah that was your blood pressure rising lol.
     
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  24. celoft

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    Agreed..........
     
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  25. Mike Sams

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    Problem for Federer is that when he hits several backhands against Nadal during a rally, Nadal waits for a nice sitter which lands mid-way and then attacks it. Usually happens on slower higher-bouncing courts. It kills Federer. His backhand is just useless on such surfaces against Nadal. Can't win with a one-hander unless you can blast that backhand deep and flat consistently which is absolutely impossible to do consecutively during every point.
    And it's kind of funny because his backhand worked very well at AO 2009 but it was his inability to convert and also his junk serve which did him in.
     
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  26. Fate Archer

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    I think I agree with this... he could pose his iceman style during matches in the past because he had the goods to do it.

    Staying collected all the time when the game is reaching an all time peak on mental strength is probably not a good choice.

    He should unleash the beast on big matches. Intimidate his opponents with his greatness. Show everyone who's the best and why.

    But that has to come from within him, it's his choice.
     
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  27. Lawn Tennis

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    Negative outward emotion is a result of what our mind perceives as overwhelming. Here's what happens: Most of our thoughts are processed by the conscious mind. When the conscious mind feels it cannot handle a situation, the brain defaults this situation to the subconscious mind. The subconcious mind activates our "fight or flight" response. Now there are some situations where this is good. If you see someone being beaten to death, your "fight" part of the response will likely push you to help them. Adrenaline will kick in, and at most costs, you will save the day. Now in most cases, passing the decision making over to your subconscious mind is counter-productive. If a bear is chasing you in the woods, you subconscious mind will tell you to run while your conscious mind will tell you to play dead. Likewise, in tennis, when things are not going our way, a subconscious reaction will take away the rational problem solving of the conscious mind. In this "fight or flight" response, you will not be able to visualize the right way but instead will belittle yourself to no end. Stay in the conscious mind; it is a thousand times better at winning you the match. This applies to Roger Federer too.
     
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  28. dudeski

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    Are you like the slow cousin of SoBad?
     
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    LOL so good :)

    If Nadal loses FO final to Djokovic, Nadal might as well start shopping for a wedding dress.
     
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    Yep, Federer and Murray would be bridesmaids.
     
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  31. devila

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    u should beat john isner because you're as bright as federer.
     
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  32. jackson vile

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    Why do you think that Federer stopped improving? Federer fight great against everyone, he just seems to get completely bent out of shape once a point or two does not go his way.
     
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  33. devila

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    i don't see fighters losing 2 set leads in important matches, and have no options to mix up the angles of backhands and serves & volleys.

    you rarely witness djoker/nadal melt down with a 2 set lead in slams and davis cup. federer also had escapes while he was down big but they were against people ranked below 30.
     
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    fereder find the trick game against lower 6.0-6.5 players, but no answer against the upper 7.0 level like Nadal and Djokovic.
     
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    Did bullz1lla run out of options after getting all of his accounts banned and hack into Mike Sams' account ? :)
     
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