Would you rather watch Nadal play on clay or watch paint dry?

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Would you rather watch Nadal play on clay or watch paint dry?

  1. Watch Nadal play on clay

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  1. BreakPoint

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    Not much difference, is there? Both are predictable and the results of both are always the same. Nadal wins and the paint dries. Where's the suspense? Yawn......
     
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  2. 35ft6

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    His footwork and shot patterns are beautiful. He's one of the few people I enjoy watching on clay.
     
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  3. FedExpress 333

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    Well, although I find watching nadal verrrrrrrrrrrrry boring, its better than paint drying.......

    However, the players I like to watch most, (Federer, Gonzales, Dimitrov), have a lot of things in common: an attackng game, a net game, and a one handed backhand. But that just me. I know someone who lovvvvvvvvvvvves to watch nadal play, because it shows extreme athleticism or something...
     
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  4. powerangle

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    There was no suspense for awhile there when Fed was dominating grass and hard courts for the most part of 2004-2007. Yet, it was still entertaining to watch.

    If you truly enjoy watching tennis, the results shouldn't matter. It's the tennis being played on court that matters (since you only mentioned results as the reason why it's "boring").
     
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  5. FedExpress 333

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    Ya, but Fed is the most entertaining/ aesthetic player to watch ever, so it was awesome. It was like, he beat people without trying.
     
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  6. T1000

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    I'd rather watch grass grow actually, much more exciting
     
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  7. BreakPoint

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    But Federer did get pushed on both grass and hard courts during those years. Guys like Roddick and Nadal pushed him on grass, and guys like Safin and Agassi pushed him on hardcourts. Nadal just rolls over his opponents on clay. The matches aren't even close.

    Besides, Federer has a FAR MORE beautiful game to watch than Nadal. As a Federer fan, I'd much rather watch Federer lose a match than watch any Nadal match, win or lose, just due to the sheer beauty of Federer's game. It's a joy just to watch his strokes, tactics, footwork, fluidity, and creativity. :)
     
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  8. Manus Domini

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    Watching paint try. It's really amusing when a can of paint tries to win Roland Garros and always paints the lines (bad pun intended) but loses lol
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    If the grass actually grew behind the baseline on Centre Court during the Wimbledon fortnight instead of being stomped into clay as it usually does, Nadal wouldn't have any Wimbledon titles. :shock:

    So, yeah, I guess watching grass grow is better than watching paint dry. ;-)
     
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    Nadal is more exciting on clay than federer is on grass.
     
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    ^ Nope I say
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    Well, Nadal does grunt more. I don't find listening to loud grunting exciting unless it's in a porno movie. :)
     
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    You, sir, are made of epic win.
     
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    Well...fed had been much more dominant for quite a while and nobody had said anything....guess it's cus of his "aesthetically pleasing" game...or what you call double standards...

    I don't get the haters on this board. The player wins you bash him, the player loses you bash him, the player gets injured you bash him, the player gives a slightly more conservative interview you bash him, as if his mere existence is the greatest evil on earth. Comeon, he may not have the "classic" game some of you posters like, but you gotta appreciate the guy for being the best tennnis player currently...
     
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  16. FedExpress 333

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    I appreciate Nadal for being a great contender, I just hate watching him.
     
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  17. Manus Domini

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    I appreciate it, doesn't mean I like watching it ;)
     
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    You better ask the OP if he appreciates this guy at all, my post is mainly directed at him...I've never seen a poster hate a player so much it's not funny:cry:
     
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  19. omniexist

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    Beats the boring serve fests u see at times..
     
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    He's a bionic poster and above all reason ;)
     
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    The standard TT trend it seems is to hate dominant players while they're active then pine for those "good old days" once they've gone.

    Threads like these are only slightly better than watch paint dry. In fact the only reason I'm replying to this thread is because I'm waiting for my Tipp-Ex to dry...
     
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  22. TMF

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    Don't be ridiculous. Quality tennis is way more exciting than just watching Nadal out grind his opponents. All he does is playing safe, being consistent, waiting them to make mistake. It's too easy, and too basic. EVen the serve isn't much(if any) of a factor. On grass playing war of attrition isn't that so simple. There isn't any pusher winning on grass...you have to be offensive minded. GRass required more skills, more shot selection, and hence more exciting.
     
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  23. powerangle

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    I said periods of dominance, not all the time. If you look at almost all his matches on the fast courts before Nadal came to the scene, he had matches were he brutalized his opponents time and again. He was still entertaining to watch however. ;)

    I guess my point is, it's not so much the results, but it's more about the style of tennis played on court. So yeah, Federer's style is very entertaining. :)
     
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  24. BreakPoint

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    I do appreciate that Nadal is a never say die fighter and such a great competitor, and that he's also a pretty nice and humble guy. But like others have said, I just don't enjoy watching him play tennis. It's like watching a bull in a china shop and can get quite annoying at times. His strokes are just...well...ugly, and his loud grunting is a major turn-off. There are lots of people who feel the same way. That's why Federer fans will always outnumber Nadal fans.
     
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  25. TMF

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    Also, in every sports, fans are more interested in watching offense than defense. Tennis is no exception.
     
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  26. Ripster

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    I like Nadal but I agree watching him on clay against anybody not named Djokovic or Federer can be very dull. I'm hoping guys like Del Potro, Soderling and Murray can provide a good challenge for Nadal as well since I do really find it boring when he steamrolls on clay.
     
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    So Rafa's a pusher, who with his zero skill pusher non-skills, won Wimbledon twice, and once against the offensive-minded, skillful, shot selection-creative Federer.

    Seems to me that Federer isn't playing good tennis; he's playing pointless tennis, if with all his almighty skills, he's losing to a guy who spams easy, elementary tactics.

    Also for Fed to consistently lose to this guy, he must be clinically-retarded. Oh wait...
     
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  28. BigForehand

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    I'd rather watch snails f%ck than watch nadal shoot moonball after moonball at the same spot (to backhand).

    99% of his shots are:

    Forehand: cross court
    Backhand: cross court

    or when he runs around backhand he goes inside out 99.99% of the time.

    If he's playing federer its even easier to predict:
    100% serves to backhand.
    99.999% moonballs to backhand.
     
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  29. TMF

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    Soderling vs. Nadal in 2009 was exciting. That was the year when the clay in Paris was really fast. Soderling was able to hit some pretty amazing shots. So did Del Potro. Lots of offense dislayed by the players including Fed and Haas. Ivo set the record for most aces. It was the best FO year I've ever seen.
     
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    ...there's plenty to go around in this thread.
     
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  31. TMF

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    I'm talking about strictly on clay. Of course he plays different from other surfaces. Remember this thread is about clay. And when Nadal is on this surface, he will play the kind of game that has been successful for him since 2005, and that is playing the "war of attrition". Stay error free, wait until the other players weared out, or loses interest. If it doesn't break, don't fix !

    And his tactic against fed is always the same...going after his bh and avoid his fh. Hope that Fed just make mistake b/c he has a one handed bh. I mean every match is the same. And hence, he is so predictable, which is the reason why of the OP's point...Nadal is boring b/c there's nothing new.
     
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    Lucky you, in the Nadal/Federer rivalry you get both.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    So you're telling us that you've never lost to a pusher before?

    I don't think there's a single player in the history of tennis who has never lost to a pusher before. Pushers win but they are boring as heck to watch.
     
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    Even on clay, I don't think he's outright boring as many would have you believe ITT. He moves better on clay so his defensive skills really shine through. True, it only serves to make the outcome of the match even more predictable, but I don't understand how anyone can find those shots where he hits outrageous shots from defensive positions (eg while running off the court and into the stands) as winners, boring.
     
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  35. Antonio Puente

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    You forgot #3: A Federer loss.
     
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    Of course I've lost to pushers before. But how is that relevant to what I said?

    Maybe you should read that thread on player types again because Rafa definitely doesn't fit the definition of a pusher.

    Hitting loopy shots and being good at defence doesn't make a player a pusher automatically, otherwise by that definition Fed would be one too.

    You're telling me that Wimbledon 08 and AO 09 were boring? Maybe you like watching paint dry more than you give it credit for.
     
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  37. Bartelby

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    Nadal seems able to get a lot of angle on his whipped forehand crosscourt and even if he gets a dtl return he can run across and hit a winner. That's not easy and its not textbook as it means you risk being out of position continually.
     
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    Really? If a loss is that predictable, would you bet your life savings on a player to lose when that player has beaten the other player 35% of the time?
     
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  39. aldeayeah

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    I liked to watch him better when he was a more defensive player, right now he's a full-blown baseline basher who just doesn't let the opponent play for long stretches of the match at once.
     
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  40. BreakPoint

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    No, they weren't boring because Federer was in them, not because Nadal was in them.

    Do you want to see a boring match? Watch the '10 Wimbledon final or the '10 French Open final.
     
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    I would rather watch paint dry on Nadal.
     
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    Quality tennis? You are serious? You may not enjoy that style, but to contend that is not quality tennis and he is just playing it safe and grinding it out is silly. No tournement winner can just grind it out, he has immense weapons.

    I think Federer is fun to watch, but to believe his tennis has more "quality" is pretty funny. Flashy, yes, better, it appears no.

    I think Joker is the boring one, I really dont enjoy watching him much, but that guy can play.

    Gasquet is my favorite player to watch, but I dont think he has better quality tennis, just fun for me to watch. There is a difference.
     
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  43. aldeayeah

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    The '10 FO final was okay to me, actually.
     
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  44. Mick

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    wow. you guys are tough.
    i would watch nadal, djokovic, and federer matches on any surface. they are world class players and imo you would learn something by watching the very best players play.
     
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    Not entirely true. I've been watching tennis (casually) for 2-3 years now and only b/c my dad lives and breathes the game. For a long time, I only knew about 4-5 strokes and they all looked the same to me. A forehand was a forehand and a backhand a backhand. I am proud to say that, I can now recognize about 10 different shots, lol, however, I still can't pick up on subtleties. But I watch because I love the competitive spirit of sport, it's exciting. It's also a lot easier to follow and understand than American football.

    Rafa really brings that competitive spirit to life. Even when he's playing noobs, he'll come on court with a lot of intensity. He'll pump his fist and shout "vamos", and that's really really fun. The only Rafa matches I either don't watch or don't enjoy watching are the ones where he looks like he has no focus and is somewhere else mentally. I also know that I am hardly alone. At least in the US, most people yawn long and hard when you mention tennis, it's basically a hop, skip and jump away from golf. BUT they love competition, they love the fight and that certain aggression Rafa brings on court. They don't appreciate the strokes or the fluidity of movement, the nuances that people who play it or have watched it for a long time do.

    Actually, I think Nadal won a lot of fans last year. I mean how often does it happen, that a major sportsman get's injured like that and not only comes back, but comes back the way he did? That's insane. I think even a lot of his fans were convinced he was never gonna be the same player again, it takes some serious mental strength to come back like that. I had this very conversation with a person on the train last September. I was going home from school and they had just returned from a day at the Open. I asked them how they liked it, and how they were liking NY etc. Then, I asked who they were rooting for, and they said Rafa. They said it was because it would just be such a fairytale after he was almost written off. So maybe traditional tennis fans will enjoy Fed more, but Rafa has attracted a lot of casual fans. Not to mention, the guy can play tennis, which means he also has a huge fan following in the tennis community. Plus, I don't see why people need to pick one or the other. You can be a fan of both of them.

    As for the OPs question, I'd much rather watch Nadal on clay! :)
     
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    2 or 3 games is about all I can stand, that takes around 45 minutes, nothing more boring than watching Nadal do his routine on clay.

    On clay he adds cleaning the damn baseline off after every point, God forbid if he doesn't clean it every point, a close call could go against him.

    I may actually watch an entire match once Madrid starts, but it wont be for the tennis alone.
     
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    You are all either a bunch of sore losers or a group of very passionate home improvement fans. I wonder which...:)
     
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  49. BreakPoint

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    Believe me, Federer has a lot more fans in the world than Nadal does. It's not even close. Even the Nadal fans acknowledge this fact.
     
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  50. BreakPoint

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    Not really. In a Federer vs. Nadal match, I'm forced to watch Nadal play. I have no choice. :(
     
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