Would you take a default?

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    In our league, players who are 5 minutes late lose the toss and 1 game. Between 5-10 minutes late and it's the toss plus 2 games. Ten minutes late is a default. Our matches are 2-hour timed matches, so starting on time is important.

    Today my mixed team had a match, and I didn't play. The opposing team had a team member turn up 23 minutes late. My captain did not take a default, not wishing to appear to be, in his words "a complete @ss." He offered to impose the 5-10 penalty of loss of toss and two games.

    Would you have done the same thing?

    Not me, man. Not a flippin' chance. My players and I go through heck to be at our matches on time. If the other team doesn't show on time, I most definitely will hold them to the rule and take the default. I will offer to play an exhibition match to use the court time, but I see nothing wrong with enforcing the time penalty.

    Fortunately, we won the team match 3-0, so no harm, no foul. But the match was very close with several tiebreakers, so it easily could have gone the wrong way.

    Cindy -- who has accepted many defaults and plans to continue accepting them
     
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    I have and will continue to do so. I had a team show up late for a match a few months ago because they went to the wrong away location. They showed up about 45 minutes late. The opposing team took the default and I don't blame them. I would have done the same thing.
     
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  3. equinox

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    Never. I don't want defaults, i want to win fairly.

    Offer an exhibition? Why should they give you practice if you don't want to play for real?

    No, you default anyone and the whole team should just go home. You win and get to feel good about yourself Cindy.

    People do get caught in traffic and unforseen accidents happen ocassionally.

    Giving the club or opposition team a ring to say you'll be running is common courtesy This may save yourself from being defaulted.
     
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  4. lordmanji

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    well, i think its a real shame if you take the default. i guess it falls into the "win by any means" category to me which is very draconian. if you train and love tennis then why not want to beat others fairly? wouldnt you feel better about that than an easy win? i know i would.

    ive played against teams where my own team member would be 20 minutes late and they graciously waited. this doesnt change that our team was mad at the teammate - we were - but you can bet next time we'd extend the same courtesy. it makes for good karma.
     
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  5. Raiden.Kaminari

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    Hmmm ... they implemented a point penalty system for an unofficiated match in your Section?

    That's too bad.

    What happens when you get stuck in traffic? What happens if you get into an accident? What happens if you get lost (some sites are pretty difficult to find if you're not familiar with it, and a lot of the Internet websites sometimes misdirect you.

    You want people to treat you as you would have them treat you.

    So, if you have a real problem getting to a match, and have done everything within your power (ie. made a phone call to the captain, indicating the problem, etc.), then you have no problem getting defaulted (after spending 2 hours in traffic trying to get their 1 hour early)?

    I think NorCal LLAR has it right ... they said, the intent of the rule is to prevent people from intentionally showing up late (or not showing up at all). If players don't even bother showing up, the captain should drop them from the team.
     
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  6. AndrewD

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    No, I wouldn't take a default and would do whatever I could to ensure we did play. Sure, rules are rules, but if you're playing for the win and not for the love of competing and improving then I think you've got your priorities out of whack.
     
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    Same here. I hate to win by default (no matter what the reason is). I want to _play_ and have a fair fight (and preferably win if possible). I play tennis to get my some exercise and to feel the thrill of measuring ones tennis capabilities against other players. Not to win just for the sake of winning.

    We had a team come late to a league match against us a couple of weeks ago. It turned out they had almost ran over a hunters dog while driving to the league match (the dog ran out into the road infront of their car) so they had to stop and take care of the dog which apparently was lost and very tired. Later it turned out that the dog had been missing for many days and had been running a *long* way until our opponents had found it. Needless to say the owner was very happy when they got in touch with him.
     
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  8. Cindysphinx

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    People take and accept defaults around here all the time. My team suffered its first ever default yesterday due to lateness of one player. Another of my teams suffered a default when a player had a car accident on the way over. Teams that don't wish to risk default designate alternates to come to the facility in case someone doesn't show.

    The rules also state that the defaulting team pays 100% of the court fees; captains post $100 deposit, and $60 will be withheld for each default. Captains tell their players that if they default for any reason that they must pay the $60 before they will be allowed to play another match. This was all explained at the captain's meeting.

    Hey, these are timed matches. My players show up at least 30 minutes early so they will have time to cope with traffic, speeding tickets, etc. If they show up 20 minutes before the match, I consider them late and start calling. If the other team opts not to take these precautions, they have potentially impacted the outcome of the match. I might feel differently if we didn't have these time constraints, but we do.

    If my player is late, I wouldn't even ask that the default rule be waived. We'd suck it up and take the consequences of our own failure to do what is required. Begging for mercy is for weenies.

    Oh, and our league will be going to 90-minute matches for the spring season because one tennis facility is being remodeled. Being late will really be a capital offense this spring.
     
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  9. tennis-n-sc

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    Cindy, I'm with you on this. As a matter of fact, I took a default yesterday. The opposing team was all there except for on player and no one knew where he was. We started the other lines and 40 minutes later the guy shows up. He had gone to the wrong club. Tough. The rest of his team knew where to go. It's a local rule, all captains are familiar with it, it is rude to not be on time, and I'll take them. I was going to cut the guy some slack but it was too much. When he showed, they played their line for fun and his team wore him out. Turns out he is a college professor. :)
     
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    Cindy,
    My league is similar to yours in that we only have 90 minutes for matches and also have to pay court costs for defaults. I agree you have to default the other team (they would do the same to you!). I captain non-USTA teams that have no time limit and am much more flexible with those teams. The 90 minute time limit is the reason we need to adhere strictly to the default penalty. We lose the court and can't go "over" that time limit since there is either a match following or the club is closing.
     
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    In my area the team captains are pretty good about negotiating playing times. A couple of the teams are located almost an hour drive from one another. Match times are at 6pm. Many players can't get off work early, so it's important that we work things out (usually in advance).
     
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    Maybe a good compromise would have been for them to default the first set. That because they were late there might not be time play 3 full sets. At least then the people would get to play. I think its pretty ridiculous to not show any flexibility at all.
     
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    It is amazing timing for this thread here.

    This weekend two of our teammates got stuck in traffic because of a semi accident. They were constantly in touch with our captain and making every attempt to reach on time. Our league has 15 minutes deadline for default.

    No kidding or exaggeration, they reached on the 16th minute. The other captain accepted the defaults by then and let them play exhibition. I think that was a ridiculous display of sportsmanship. The other single's match had not even started (extended warmup) by the time these guys reached.

    Within the rules, we try hard to be on time, etc is all right but we must remember that we are playing recreational tennis and some people may have genuine problems reaching the court. I must say that OP's captain who let them play a real match is a real tennis player. Kudos to the person.

    And yes, we lost the match 2-3 (2 defaults and lost the third in Match TB). We won the "exhibition" matches, both of them (opposing player said he was "trying" new things as this was exhibition. Yeah right!!)
     
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  14. raiden031

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    I would not take a default nor would I impose any penalty unless they were later than like 30 minutes. The reason being that I would rather earn a win without any advantage. And rather than win by default, I'd rather play since I showed up to the match to play tennis, not get an automatic win. If someone defaulted my team because we were 10-15 mins late, I would not take up their offer to play an exhibition game.

    If they were more than like 30 mins late though, my concern would be that there wouldn't be adequate time to complete the match, and I would be pissed if I lost a match because we ran out of time, as I don't like the rules for handling matches that run out of time. So I'd probably take a default and offer an exhibition.
     
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  15. Cindysphinx

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    Yeah, the time thing around here is a *huge* big deal.

    The rules are quite precise. Captains must agree on an official time-piece by which to judge tardiness. Players who break a string are allowed to go to their bench and get a new racquet. If they must leave the court, the same time penalities I have described above kick in (loss of games or default), so you'd better not leave your spare racquet in your trunk. Last season, there was a restriction on bathroom breaks and they were completely forbidden during the last 15 minutes IIRC, although it was lifted this season.

    You have to remember that when the horn blows at the end of the two hours, there is another team standing right there to take your court. There have been instances in which the other captain/team wished to keep playing beyond the 2 hours. In all instances, I say no. I say no if my team is ahead; I say no if my team is behind. I say no if the team requesting the extension is my buddy; I say no if the team requesting the extension is my sworn enemy. I will never feel tempted to engage in bias or gamesmanship if I just stick with the rules no matter what.

    A few weeks back, my team took the court when the horn blew to find a team playing a third set tiebreaker. One of the players was a former teammate and friend. I told them they had to vacate the court. Why? I don't think it would be fair to the team she was playing or to my own players to deviate from the 2-hour rule. As it turns out, my friend was behind in the tie-break and so lost the match because she couldn't finish the tiebreaker. Oh well. That's the way it goes with timed indoor matches.

    I mean, ya gotta remember that we're not talking about kicking someone off the organ transplant list here. We're talking about calmly following the rules we all agree to abide by. If someone takes a default and then plays a social match (this is what my ladies did yesterday), what's the problem? For me, it's not about getting win on a technicality. It's about being totally impartial, fair, and unbiased in the administration of the rules. I don't expect special dispensation for myself or my team, nor do I expect to give it.

    Things work much more smoothly that way. You don't find yourself standing there arguing about what's "fair" with someone who, through no fault of mine, failed to show up and wasted my players' time.

    Raiden, if you declined our offer to play an exhibition because we took your default, we would use the court to play singles. For us, it is free court time. So far, I've never seen a team decline to play exhibition. They are usually *mortified* to have been late and will do anything to put it right.
     
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  16. raiden031

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    I understand following the rules, and the rules are there for a purpose...to ensure that all players arrive on time. Without facing the possiblity of a default, players would have little reason to arrive precisely on time.

    However, I think when they are just late enough to warrant a default, but there still is adequate time to play the whole match, then taking the default is taking the easy way out. I'd rather play people who want to earn their win, then to just have it handed to them. I can't really hold it against them too much because rules are rules, but there is something that doesn't sit well with me when people aren't willing to let things slide at times. Lets not forget this is a social sport, not the military.

    So my logic is that if my opponent is not willing to do me a favor (giving me a break), then I'm not going to do them any favors (providing opponents for an exhibition doubles match).
     
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    Probably not. What comes around goes around. If the guy got lost or hit traffic I would let him play. However, there are a few players in town who are flakes and habitually show up 20 minutes late, if one of thoes guys doesn't show up, then yes, I would take the DF.
     
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  18. kylebarendrick

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    My mixed team was playing in our local league playoff last week. I wasn't scheduled to play, but went to the match to cheer on the team and support my wife, who was playing. NorCal has a 15 minute default rule, but has a "clarification" in the rules that makes it clear that the intention isn't to default teams doing their best to arrive on time - especially if there are no time constraints on the courts.

    When I arrived at the match about 20 minutes after the scheduled start time, I learned that my wife's partner had gotten a flat tire on the way to the match and couldn't get there on time. I offered to play in his place - he's a 4.0 and I'm a 3.5 so it's not like we were taking advantage of the situation. The opposing captain said "no", and declared the default. He justified it saying "what would I say to my team if we lost because of this?".

    I replied he could tell them that we settled it on the court. No luck there - and this definitely took the fun out of the experience!
     
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  19. lordmanji

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    yeah its like taking the bible literally. we'd all be missing one eye and a leg if we did that. ;) the spirit of the rule is what i think we should be more concerned about and tennis is probably the only sport where the players are expected to have an ideal moral standard which is great in my book.

    but it sounds like the OP is in a pretty competitive section and places high value on winning, which is fine. i was on a team this season in the middle of the standings and we placed more emphasis on having fun and trying our best to win. we did, btw, take two match wins due to defaults by the same team since they didnt have enough players. :)
     
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    rules are rules!!

    It is just the height of arrogance for someone to be that late for a match. Very few things **** me off more than waiting around for someone to show up, and then waive it off casually like it was no big deal and I'm a jerk for demanding that they be on time. Take the default and maybe next time this person will be on time.
     
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    It would depend on whether or not it was a timed match and how late the player was.

    Our matches aren't timed. If a player is 10-15 minutes late, I would let it slide. Especially if someone from the other team is in phone contact with that person and knows that they are indeed on the way. I try to work with the other team as best I can to get the match in. I want to play the match...I'm not getting any prize money here, I joined the league because I like to play.

    Any later than that, I would ask the player from my team if it was ok with them, and encourage them to play the match. But, people have places to be, and if my player absolutely couldn't accomodate them because they are 40 minutes late, then I would take the default.

    On the flip side of that, though, if I had a player that was continually late without any kind of good excuse, they would not be on the roster any longer.
     
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  22. raiden031

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    How is it arrogant when someone gets stuck in traffic or has an emergency come up that makes them late?
     
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    Raiden,

    Leave earlier. Get there early. If not, pay the prescribed penalty. The rules are there for a reason.
     
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    I'm not arguing with your enforcement of the rules, but your assumption that only arrogant people arrive late to a tennis match.

    Tell me you've never gotten stuck in traffic and I'll call you a liar. I have been stuck in traffic for 4 hours before. You expect people to arrive hours before the match to avoid being arrogantly late?
     
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  25. spiderman123

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    Our teammates had started 45 min early for a 15 min drive on a Sunday morning.

    It took them an hour to reach because of a very bad semi accident. The opposite captain was keen to enforce the rules and did not even allow a min over 15 min. (They were there before the 16th min.)

    It was not a timed match either.

    Reading this thread I can see that there are many captains who would have taken the default. I am not arguing their priorities but at the same time the rules do not say that I cannot think that it defies common sense and basic sportsman spirit.
     
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  26. Topaz

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    That is *exactly* how we do it, too, Cindy. Only all of our matches are already timed at 90 minutes. Everyone knows the policy, and basically nobody has a problem with it, no matter on what side. Our policy is a bit different, actually...currently it isn't a default until 20 minutes have passed. Next month that will change to 15 minutes. When I captain, we *always* have an 'extra', dressed sub show up for every match.
     
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  27. Topaz

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    No, but if they are too late, they cause the default, and they pay the court fees. That's the way it is, everyone knows it going in, and nobody has a problem with it.
     
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    Based on a couple times of being on the waiting end, I think a default is in order unless there are extenuating circumstances and there was a call ahead to the playing site before the scheduled start time to say that there is a construction or accident slowdown, etc.

    If opponents show negligence in planning and executing, tough.

    Why? I or my team has a) eaten according to the schedule, b) warmed up, and c) primed themselves mentally. When you have to wait around not knowing when or if the match will happen, and then wait for the opponent to go to the bathroom, warmup, have a group huddle, etc., that's rude.

    I've been on the other end, too. I gave myself an extra hour to get to a tournament match about 70 miles away. I went to get on the Interstate, only to find it a parking lot. (It had already been that way for hours, I found out.)

    There aren't good alternatives. I started on one, realized that was not going to work, and tried a second. An hour after starting out, I was about 12 miles into the trip with added blocked two lane traffic ahead of me. There was no phone I could call to the courts, so I called the director's home phone and told his wife that I had tried valiantly, but simply could not succeed in any reasonable amount of time so I defaulted.
     
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  29. ironicqueery

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    On a somewhat related note, how do defaults factor into rankings ? Are they just not considered? Do they help, or hinder?
     
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  30. Cindysphinx

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    Defaults don't count for ratings, but they do cause unfair swings in team standings.

    I remember when I was a 2.5 captain, we were *desperate* not to finish last of 11 teams. I mean, we sucked, but we didn't want to suck worst of all.

    One of the other horrible teams received a triple default. That meant they had a team win (those were hard to come by, believe me!), and they got six sets and 36 games (sets and games being the tiebreakers). No fair! :)

    Say, uh . . . for those who wouldn't take the default, what happens if you arrive for a tournament late? Do you expect the tournament director to cut you a break? Or do you get your butt there super-early?

    Lastly, I don't think our league is hyper-competitive. It's like any other league. It just sounds like a lot of you play outdoor matches or play at clubs where court time is readily available. Not so here. Taking the default isn't about "grabbing a win." It's about not having to race through a match trying to beat the buzzer because the other team doesn't value promptness and did not designate an alternate.
     
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    where do you play cindy?
     
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    I feel like if you call and have a legitimate excuse for your tardiness, you should not necessarily be held to full default penalties. However, if you don't call (and thus show no consideration/respect for your opponents and their time), you definitely forfeit.
     
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    I was a bit put out when the team were were playing let our captain know two hours before the match that they were forfeiting because they wanted to go and watch the cricket. (Test match - Aussies v Poms, but even so...)
    I had scheduled my day around this and was put out.

    So when they hadn't shown for the next match half an hour after scheduled starting time (with default set at 10 mins) I did not think too kindly of them. But when they showed up we played, and I was happy to have an afternoon of tennis.
     
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  34. Cindysphinx

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    I'm in MidAtlantic. I think our league within that section is unusual in that it always has all matches played indoors.

    This year, there was a movement afoot to move some matches outside to avoid having timed 90-minute matches (instead of the usual 2 hours). The powers that be refused even to consider the idea.

    Apparently, it was tried a few years ago with unsatisfactory results. The weather around here is unpredictable, so they designated scheduled dates and rain dates for all matches. Although players were supposed to hold the rain date open just in case, they tended not to, causing many defaults. Worse, there wan't a good system for reserving the public courts and non-league players weren't happy to suddenly see their favorite courts become unavailable for hours on end.

    So we will do timed 90-minute matches.

    If it were up to me, I would have handled it differently. I would have told all players that for this one year when one major facility will be out of service no one can join more than one team. Maybe that would cut the number of matches down enough?

    Eh, probably not.
     
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  35. sue20852

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    Can someone verify this? It seems to me defaults are part of the rating equation, since there can be many "reasons" for defaulting a match.
     
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  36. raiden031

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    If they were part of the ratings equation, it would severely screw up the system, because defaults are considered 6-0, 6-0 wins.
     
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    I play in what I believe is the largest Indoor league in the Mid-Atlantic. We've ALWAYS had only 90 minutes for Adult leagues. What the posters who prefer leniency may not realize is that we must stop the match no matter what when the buzzer goes off. We have all sorts of crazy rules to determine who wins so it's just not the same as an untimed match. The winner of the first set is often the winner of the match if the match is not completed. You could be 4-6, 5-4 when the buzzer goes off. The 2nd set doesn't count (you have to be 2 games ahead)so you lose. So you can see how important it is to start on time.
     
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  38. raiden031

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    I am one to prefer leniency, because we have 2 hours (minus 10 minute warmup) to play. There was only one time we came anywhere close to using up that time, when our opponents took like 2 minutes between points (partial exaggeration), but usually the match is over in an hour or less. But as I stated, if they are just a few minutes late, I would rather just play the match. But if they are extremely late to where I feel it will likely end in a timed finish, then I will take the default. Its more about me wanting me to avoid losing a match that I could otherwise win (i'm a slow starter) than it is about enforcing the rules.
     
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  39. SJS

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    Raiden,
    I think it's the 90 minutes and possibly the level of play (longer points at higher levels, esp singles) that makes a difference. I just looked back at last years scores. Out of 14 team matches, in every single one there was at least one individual match that was not completed.
     
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  40. tennis-n-sc

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    I feel for those of you in locations that have timed matches. That's not tennis, but it is what you have to work with. I would think private clubs would be a little more lenient with court time. I have never played in a timed match but we have the luxury of playing outdoors here year round. Even with that southern perk, I am all for defaulting in accordance with the rules, but with some leeway, 5-15 minutes, depending on the circumstances. You simply cannot allow too much subjectivity to enter into the fray or the orginial rule becomes moot. When a late arrival occurs, it is the whole team that is affected. Our team would never think of leaving the location until the entire team match is complete so we can have a few beers and talk about the match together. A little male bonding. Why should one person be authorized to interrupt the entire match because they can't be on time. Even traffic. Some of our matches are 1 hour away, but there are many routes to the locations. The rule is there for reason and I'm betting before the rule there was a tremendous problem with late arrivals.
     
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  41. sue20852

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    On the flip side, if they are not part of the rating equation, the stronger players of a strong team could be manipulated to affect their chance of moving up. Default can also be used to protect from "DQed". Had the match taken place, the win may very well be 1,0. That result is not much different from a 0,0 win.
     
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  42. raiden031

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    How can you suggest that a default, which has no relevance to the skill level of a player should be used in determining a player's skill level rating?

    The goal of the rating system is to provide accurate ratings, which would be impossible if defaults were used in the calculation, since a default has no bearing on the skill level.
     
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  44. kevhen

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    A guy on my team showed up 20 minutes late so we took the forfeit at like 10 after. He played his opponent anyway but it was recorded as a forfeit. He said he took a wrong turn but that wouldn't have made him 20 minutes late as I told him to show up 30 minutes early.
     
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  45. tennis-n-sc

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    Bingo! :) ......
     
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  46. AndrewD

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    I don't ask for or expect any favours when I'm playing a tournament or at someone else's club. What someone else chooses to do, as regards defaults (or any other matter), is their own business and completely out of my control. However, when I'm the one in charge, I opt to only take a default when there is no other viable alternative.
     
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  47. NoBadMojo

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    I agree..defaults are bad mojo, and defaults should be considered based upon each individual situation before being doled out in gestapo fashion...i can understand how things need to be placed on a finite schedule indoors, but knowing that, why dont teams travel in multiple vehicles and bring extra team members to assure things come off properly of someone gets detained? if the weather is good enough to be outside in the summers, why not just run the league <or whatever it is> during the summer outdoors and come up with other programs during the off season. god forbid people should play tennis on their own ;)
    some people also use the coming late tactic to get into opponents heads, some have an unavoidable delay, some have history of doing this....if an exception, i think there should be leeway, and something should be worked out on the spirit of sportsmanship....defaults are bad mojo unless people have been blatantly irresponsible, in which case, by all means, default them..
     
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  48. Cindysphinx

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    Raiden, when I was at 2.5, there were lots of timed matches in singles, as the way to win was just keep pushing the ball back.

    At 3.0, I find that the singles matches still take a great long time, but I'm seeing some very long doubles matches. Say you win the first set 6-4 and lose the second set 4-6. You started with 110 minutes to play the entire match. If you take more than 5.5 minutes per game (including changeovers), you will time out before you play the first point of the third set tie-breaker. Heaven help you if you went to 7-5 or needed a tiebreak in either of the first two sets.

    In fact, my combo team had a 2-hour timed match this weekend. My combo 6.0 players were taking on a 6.5 combo opponent. My players fell behind 1-5 in the first set because the 3.5 played the net so aggressively. Then my players decided to start lobbing, which got the ball back to the weaker player and threw off their timing. My team caught up at 6-6, and then won a tie-breaker 7-2.

    Then for the second set, they stayed on serve to 6-6 and began another set tie-breaker. When the buzzer sounded, the other team was up 6-5 in the tiebreaker. Alas, the tie-break rule says that the second set is disregarded because the tie-break wasn't completed and neither team was ahead by two, and the winner of the first set was declared the winner. So we won that match and therefore the team match.

    I am sure our opponents were disappointed. But at least it was a fair fight because the match started on time and our opponents had every minute to which they were entitled to battle back.

    For someone to turn up 23 minutes late when there are only 110 minutes available to play, thereby sucking up 25% of the available match time . . . no, not cool.
     
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  49. raiden031

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  50. magmasilk

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    im ok with the rules being enforced ...

    I'd prefer to lean on the side of leniency because I just want to play. So if a person showed up 20-30 min late, maybe he/she'd could forfeit the 1st set. A 6-0 set usually takes at most 30 min. Then that would still leave an hour or more for tennis. Of course it is a slippery slope and when is too late?
     
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