Wozniacki the Next Great Female Champ?

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  1. Enlightened Coelacanth

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    Caroline Wozniacki seems to be the cream of the crop among all the younger WTA players and her mental command is outstanding. Is she the leader of the next generation of woman's tennis?
     
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    Hard to say. she moves very well, keep her composure and has an elite level of consistency. She seems to be more aggressive as of late.
     
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    She has the best mental game in the women's game, I know that isn't saying much since every woman on the tour today is mentally weak but it's a great advantage

    Just needs to get a bigger forehand so it doesn't drop in the service box every time, and possibly a better serve and second serve
     
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  4. TheTruth

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    She's definitely a fighter and very mentally strong. Hope she gets a major(s) out of her career.
     
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  5. PED

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    I'll be watching her down in Charleston this week.
    I still think her first serve could use some work but it's hard to compare any woman's serve to Serena's. She moves pretty well but I wish she'd be a bit more aggressive at times, but it's gotten her to number 2 in the world so what do I know ;)
     
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    I dont know, I like her and all and think she will be top 8 for a good few years, but as of right now, she is still vulnerable to the bigger hitters who play well on the day.
     
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    I'd count her in, but only if she starts hitting more baseline winners.

    Plus she's kinda hot!
     
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    She is a crafty player with great athleticism. With that said she needs to improve her fh, her net game and learn how and when to be aggressive. She has had great success by being consistent and letting her opponents lose. To take the next step i think she needs to learn how to take a match and put it on her racquet when her opponent is just as consistent as she is. It is going to be a sometimes difficult process with ups and downs. It takes time to develop a complete game. The key is if she is willing to take the ratings hit required to expand her game and not retreat to what she has always done.
     
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    it is probably too much to ask in todays womens game, but if Wozniacki would develop an agressive net game to supplement her already awesome steady retrieving, she would be tough to beat by anybody. This, however would be a huge leap in someone who has already acquired a certain very successful type of game, could be a nearly impossible and distracting learning curve, since her game is not broken now. This would definitely take her to an elite level.
     
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    She's strong mentally but her strokes are kinda meh.
     
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    No big weapons. So I don't see "great champ" in her future.

    Same problem as Jankovic or Chakvetadze or Myskina or the list goes on and on.
     
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    Caroline Defends Title in Ponte Vedra
    April 11, 2010

    Top-seeded Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) d Olga Govortsova (BLR) to repeat as Champion of the MPS Group Championships on clay in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, winning the final 6-2, 7-5 today.

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    i like wozzy, azarenka and rezai

    as the new generation players, i think aza and wozzy are the top 2 of the new gen players.
     
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    Azarenka especially, I like her style of play.
     
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    Reminds me a little of Jelena being a backboard.

    She has the potential to win tourneys and maybe even a major or two but she has to play her best and the planets have to align just at the right time. :)

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  16. forzamilan90

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    she be like hewitt
     
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    As everyone mentioned, Caro has a very strong mental game, moves well and is very consistent. By strong mentally, I mean that she doesn't give up, doesn't let bad calls/hits/etc. bother her too much, plays smart tennis and works hard. As a package deal, this is a big advantage.

    She has been working on flattening out her forehand and upping the pace on her serve. Projecting out a couple years (when the Williams and the Belgians are less likely to contend), if she adds an offensive slice backhand and volleys (especially on the BH), I don't see any reason why she can't win a GS.

    On top of that, she's hot. ;)
     
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    She is so ridiculously bland and boring.
     
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    at least she hits more winners than errors as of late when she is playing good she sometimes is actually playing good and not just having an error festival with her opponent.
     
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    not everyone can be a headcase like safin
     
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    I can see her winning between 0 to 2 majors if she can take advantage of the current state of the women's game. That's if she can dodge bullets like Serena, Henin, or Clijsters by early losses or bad days on the court.
     
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    more aggression as of late is good, painful to see her win matches with 4 winners...but in a year or two I could see her being a multi GS champ, she has the ability to hit very hard and flat
     
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  23. sondraj

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    How is she not the female Andy Murray. I don't get it. The only weapon she has is a tough mind. Outside of that her game is soo mediocre. Has she even beat any one in the top 10 in a major tournament. She always has the easiest cake draws. Until she beats the elite in female tennis she can't possible be in the elite. Isn't this exactly what we criticized Jelena and Dinara for. She'll be the next number one player to never win a grand slam
     
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    Wozniacki does remind me a little of Jelena. Imo,if Serena did not come back when she did,Jelena would have at the very least,one slam. Wozniacki is young and still has time to improve and add weapons to her game. I think she has great potential and should have a successful career. Having said that, I still believe Azaranka will be more of a threat to the top players in the near future.
     
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    She rarely misses, that is far from mediocre and she hits with some power. Everyone can't be Serena
     
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    She is a professional tennis player and you're giving her credit for being able to keep the ball in play, stop playing with my emotions LoL. And she hits with SOME power, Ok. Like I said Andy Murray with pig tails. And again who in the top ten has she beat convincingly in a major tournament?

    I think Caroline highlights the biggest difference between men's and woman's tennis with the fact that being able to keep the ball in courts warrants you a top position in the game. If every male player was guaranteed a number 2 position in this sport just for keeping the ball in play we would have the same issue with men's ranking as we do with women's.
     
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    She has promise. She is steady, but she needs to develop some kind of actual offensive weapon instead of being purely a defensive player. The fact that in some of her wins she barely hits more than 10 winners if she hits that number at all is a red flag for me. She has no real big shot, her forehand and backhand get the job done, keep the ball in play, and so on. Today that is a great asset because so many women today pile on the unforced errors and she, when she keeps her UE count low, does well. But if she can't hit the winners to go with that than her chances are lower. She can outsteady opponents at times, but if her opponents aren't making the UE's, than she gets in trouble. The defense is great, but she needs to work on the offense. In terms of raw potential I would tap Azarenka more so than her, Vika has all the raw elements, and just needs to fine tune them and up her confidence. Both could be great champions, but both could also end up like the Serbs and many of the Russian contingent seem to be going.....down fast.
     
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    How can Wozniacki win with net game when Wozniacki can't even hit agrresive FH and Serve, remember Roddick in 05-08 before wimbly??? hitting some lame approach then close in to the net only to get passed again and again.
     
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    hit very hard and flat??? where???? she should count herself as extremely lucky if she ever ever manages to win 1, and that falls into the realm of miracles as well.
     
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    true ,she is female Murray ,she 's not hitting ,she pushes the ball,if you can see clearly that for Murray ,how can you not notice that for Wozniacki:shock:
     
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    I think slamless no.1 is the farthest she can go. She may look like the "most promising" among the younger generation, but she will soon be overtaken. after all, a tiger without tooth and paws can only scare ppl for that long, ppl will figure out her soon enough, just like JJ.
     
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    sorry i forgot to say..

    Azarenka and Wickmayer seems to be the real deal.
     
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    What? Who mentioned Marat Safin?

    Ummm, do you have to be a headcase to be watchable? She can barely hit a winner in a match, her game style is ridiculously boring as well as her personality.

    Marat Safin had the game and the personality.
     
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    I agree with this.
     
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    Yes, that is too much to ask in an era populated by a large number of players still inhaling the fumes of Seles' baseliner myopia. Aside from that, her movement and hands are not exactly the kind which would be receptive to such a game.
     
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    Who in the top 10 is 19 years old? hmmmmmm?
     
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    Mother Marjorie agrees with this assessment whole-heartedly.

    Oh, and Mother Marjorie also thinks that no one should even begin to mention players in this category until they've been able to break through with a major win.

    MM (melts in your mouth, not in your hands)
     
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    That just says very little about the depth of women's tennis again. Sad for the wta really
     
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    I also admire Wickmeyer greatly but I don't see the mental/emotional element in her that Wozniacki seems to have.
    Perhaps it will develop later, as other champions have seemed like hopeless losers at one point (Sampras, Lendl to name just two who suddenly caught fire after winning their first slam) and changed things around.

    But right now, Wozniacki has all the elements in place and a slam in the next year or two seems very likely.
     
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    Stop trying to change the subject, K? ;)

    You asked "who in the top ten has she beat convincingly in a major tournament"

    What my question shows is that Caroline is 19 years old. And the other 9 in the top ten are between 19 and 30. The point is that it takes years for a champion to develop, so it's not surprising that a 19-year-old (same as 19-year-olds in the ATP) has not "beat convincingly in a major tournament" the other 9 in the top ten.

    IOW, your point about Caroline not beating "convincingly in a major tournament" is not a function of Caro's ability, talent or tournament activity. Instead, it's a function of her youth and the fact that she has not yet lived long enough to "beat convincingly in a major tournament" the other nine in the top ten, and the fact that she has not yet done so does NOT indicate whether or not she will be a "champion."

    QUESTION: So now apply your same standard to the ATP: Which 19-year-old in the ATP has "beat convincingly in a major tournament" at least one of the other nine. :confused:
     
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    I like Wozniacki but I think she has to adapt her playing style and develop atleast one big point finishing weapon if she is to win any slams, never mind be the next great one.
     
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    That doesn't make any sense. No body here is a gifted with psychic ability so who knows if she will change her game to be the next great female champ. The question is if from what we are seeing today in her game does she have the ability to be. And the answer is NOOO

    So the fact that she is 19 says what about her game. That if she continues to play like she is currently and she ages a little more than she'll be able to beat the top 10. How does that make sense.

    As far as what we are seeing right now from Caroline she is nothing but a pusher. There is a difference from having a great defensive game I.E Jelena and being a pusher like Caroline. every once and a while she will flatten out her shot and fire off a winner and that truly shocks me but then she can't continue it.

    Now the fact that she is 19 and has never beaten a top ten player convincingly has to do with the fact that she is the number 2 player in the world. Now that either says something terrible about the WTA or is a testament to the fact that she is extremely lucky with all her cake walk draws to every final she's been in.

    Right now she plays like a top 15 player but her ranking reflects something a lot higher. It's a fact. will she change her game in the future to be a better player who know will Jelena, will Demetieva, will Dinara. The same can be said about the whole lot of em. So if you want to be a fan of Caroline then by all means be it. But I'll hold off until she actually beats a top tenner or wins a grand slam,
     
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    I watched her play this am and was really impressed-especially after last year. She went down an early break, but kept on pressing. Her opponent was really aggressive but Woz kept the pressure on, got the break back and her opponent went away in a hurry.

    She seems to be serving much better (consistently in the low 100's), moved better and was just much more aggressive overall.

    After watching her last year, I was kind of wondering what all the fuss was about; she's not "there" yet but she likely will be. She'll likely face Petrova on Friday which should be fun to watch. Petrova is really hammering the ball this week (nothing new there). Woz dodged a bullet when Azarenka pulled out of her match-they wouldn't have met until the semis anyway.
     
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    Huh? What doesn't make sense? Your question about 19-year-olds beating top ten players who are multiple years older with multiple years more miles on them? That's my point exactly. As you say, it doesn't make sense. Yet apparently you thought it did make sense when you originally asked the question about 19-year-old Caroline! :shock:

    LoL ... I rest my case! :mrgreen:

    If you want to rag some more on the WTA, start a thread about it. This thread is about Caroline Wozniacki. Stop spamming and trolling with anti-WTA crap ;)
     
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    I hope not. Wozniaki is a WTA's top pusher. Nothing interesting about her game. I hope Justine teach her a lesson or two in FO.
     
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    Caroline won a clay court tournament last week. And this week she continues her due diligence for the FO in another clay court tournament. She's still just 19 years old. Justine is what? 27 years old? That's 8 years of tennis experience/clay experience more on clay ... She really should be better, shouldnt she? When Justine was 19, Caroline was 11 :shock: So what if she does beat her? That's fine because Caroline will learn whatever it is she still needs to learn about clay. Where will Justine be 8 years from now? :D
     
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    I would still give the edge on clay to Justine but I was quite impressed with Woz today on the green stuff. Looking forward to her dealing out some pain today.

    Watching her last year, she often reminded me of a female Andy Murray and I would tend to change the channel but in this tourney at least, she's being far more aggressive to the naked eye.

    In the Charleston final last year, she was blown off the court by Lisecki, I doubt that would happen this time around but it will be interesting over the next few days as she runs into better and better opposition. Would love to see her and Stosur square off: her groundies are simply massive :)
     
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    By the time Justine retires also has Rodge and I have stopped watching tennis. Then the broad can get to wherever she wants.
     
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    great tennis fan you are! can't handle a new generation of players once the old ones quit? At least the women's game has a few potential number 1's, while the men's game has nadal, and a slew of others who are either injured for months or have no mental stability
     
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