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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by jamesblakefan#1, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. maverick66

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    Its not punks fault. They killed almost all his momentum by having him do the kevin nash/HHH stuff. When they got him going again with the jonny ace feud it came back a little but they really hurt his push. The other issue is there is no heel for him to go against. With Jericho back there is but outside of him ziggler/Swagger were not cutting it.

    With all of punks faults he is making Daniel Bryan look horrible. Bryan is just so blah its unreal. This entire AJ angle sucks. She pretends hurt and then comes out heel woman or wakes up and says enough and screws bryan over. Either way neither one is that entertaining. Its a shame Mark Henry got hurt because him vs the Big Show was good. Two monsters going at it and Henry has been doing some of the best work he has ever done.

    They need tag teams to make a come back. The ones that have a name and a common theme. I like the Uso's and the Mexican team but they have a real lack of teams that make sense. every tag team match seems to be lets throw 4 guys in a ring together because we dont have a plan for them.
     
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    Fair point. Part of it is that Punk's better as a natural heel, so it's still like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with him as a face. Orton's the same way, but he's gotten a bit better at it. Punk doesn't come off as likeable in a lot of his promos. I know people want to compare him to Austin, but it's not even close. Austin was going with what the tone of the culture was at that time and being an everyman while shoving it to his boss, while Punk calls himself the best in the world which is still a heelish, arrogant statement while bullying Johnny Ace.

    I totally disagree. If anything Bryan's been on fire right now and is much better than Punk at this point. Even last week he pretty much owned Punk and the only comeback Punk had was "Well I'm still the best in the world" which was just plain lame.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9h2B2oIBqc&t=07m00s

    Bryan coming out and yelling "YES YES YES!" is the best thing going right now. Really have to agree to disagree w/ you on that one, Bryan's heel turn has been well done and pretty awesome.

    I know I'm alone in this but I don't even miss the tag teams all that much. I know E&C, the Dudleys, the Hardys, and all those guys was the golden age for tag teams, and it was great, but I'm not really missing the days of the tag teams all that much. I'm sure if they cared they could make a decent tag division w/ the guys on the roster, but I'm kinda over tag teams in general. Though like I said I do love me some Rosa.

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    ^^^I couldn't disagree with you more about Daniel Bryan, there's way more exciting varieties of 80's wallpaper. Someone coming out saying yes yes yes is not the best thing going. It makes me want to turn the channel. The funkasaurus, r-truth, and jericho are the most entertaining guys right now.
     
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    OK, who's the other giant of the big 3, you know, the "Indian" guy who used to have a little tyke running around and talking for him.
    1. Big Show.
    2. Mark Reynolds.
    3. ?
     
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    The Great Khali, can't stand him.
     
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    Ya the guy is just boring. the internet marks love him as he was an indy guy for a long time and from a technical aspect he is one of the better guys out there. Like I said he is Dean Melenko with a push.

    I consider the golden age of tag teams to be legion of doom, demolition, and that age. when you had guys that where teamed together and knew how to work off one another. I enjoyed that and liked seeing it work.

    I also loved stables another thing of the past. No more DX, ministry, corporation, and however many other stables they had. Last one they did was Nexus and what could have been pretty solid got super cena real fast.

    I really think Jericho is gonna help punk. He knows how to work a crowd and make the other guy look good. His band is supposed to be going on tour soon though so not sure how long he is gonna be around.
     
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    Jericho just understands the business side of wrestling like most people dont? He knows how to work crowds and he is not above putting other guys over. I mean he lost to Heath Slater in an attempt to make that whole nexus thing believable and try to get sonmethin started.

    I hope if jericho is takin time off he is at least gonna put Punk over as a fan fave while the Cena Heel angle is developing.

    Also bring Johhny Ace in to give the Ace Crusher to like 5 dudes while a japanese announcers yells.


    ACCCEEAAHHH CRUSSSHAAAA
     
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    For my money the Dudleys were my favorite Tag Team ever.

    LOD were pinoeers, but Dudleys had the best finisher IMO. Doomsday device took too long to set up, and made it hard to work into a fast flowing match IMO.

    3-D could happen super fast. And D-Von and Bubba knew how to work the crowd as both good and bad. They cut some promos in ECW that were great. Made some girl in the crowd cry becuase they said her mom was in the back alley doin a guy to get some cash for the tix.
     
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    No love for the Steiners?
     
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    Scotty before he became the genetic freak? No thanks.

    "All you people boo me cause I tell the troof, and you cant handle the troof!"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPlnIxqOwI

    10 mins, but worth every second.
     
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    Just want to say that being lucky enuf to be behind the scenes at many WWE events including Wrestlemania. Wrestlers are the nicest people you'd ever want to meet. Onstage they are "in character" but backstage they are just fantastic people. Even the heels are great. I've done hours of interviews and the only time I ever felt uncomfortable with someone was with Mean Gene Okerlund...I was distracted and accidentally mispronounced his name. I quickly corrected it but he was truly mad at me! I thought it was a cheapshot. But....I should write a book.
     
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    Just wondering... what do you guys think is next for Kane after this Cena angle? Up until last week I saw Kane and Taker in Miami but obviously that's changed. He has done some good work in the last month and it would be atrocious to book him in a a throw away match like MITB or some meaningless tag match. I just can't think of any names on the current roster that would work, do you guys have anything?
     
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    Kane-Ryder would make the most sense.
     
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    Their old ECW promos where awesome. I can recall a few that almost started riots in the crowds. Thats knowing how to work a crowd. Bubba ray is doing some of his best work ever right now in TNA.

    As for kane not sure where you go with him if he is all done with Cena. He could do an angle with Ryder and Eve but knowing the WWE he will be part of some lame match and float around.
     
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    With the Steiners I always respected the ability they had in the ring, but the Promos were lacking and they were not ahead of thier time like LOD was.

    Bret Hart wasnt a great man with the mic, but he was so much better than those others guy in the ring that was enough to deserve the billing he got. The Steiners were kinda like that but not hands down better than everyone.

    Not sure what they do with Kane. Probably not much past the Ryder thing (if they even do that)
     
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  18. maverick66

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    I love scotts promos. They are so insanely over the top its awesome. i dont really remember much of Rick but i can remember Scott very easily. His work in the NWO kept him in the spotlight alot longer than anything Rick did.

    For Ryder I really believe they are gonna do a comeback and guilt John Cena thing. Where he will blame Cena for everything that happened and go after him at every chance. Kane will just fade out again or go scare someone else.
     
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    Scott was a ghreat wrestler with the Steiner Bros. But he never seemed to have any potential as a top billed guy. Then he got huge and the sweet promos started.

    Im sure early on he was struggling with the promos and asked someone for help.

    They probablytold him to try to have his intensity show through. He came up with the equation.

    Intensity = Yell everything I say really loud even though there is a mic.

    He was hilarious. Bad and good at the same time, but miostly good.

    In 98 he was right belowHogan as one of my fav guys. He was callin himself white thunder sometimes and was bleaching his hair.

    The he called himself the

    "Big, Bad, Booty Daddy"

    Needless to say Im still a fan of Scott's.
     
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    That would have been great if he had then hit Jarret with the pogo stick instead of the clothesline. Still had me dying laughing at how they thought that was a good idea. This is why I love TNA its a car crash every week that just makes you laugh and they didnt mean to.
     
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    Anybody watch that TNA mess last night?

    they just dont know when to stop pushing guys.

    Sting for some reason keeps getting thown into the mix for titles. Granted James Storm and Robert Roode aint exactly a match casual wrestling fans would be exited about. But doesnt TNA have to try to get somethign going without Hogan Flair or Sting involved.

    Bully/Bubba Ray has been in the business for an awfully long time. But his workon the mic is good enough that it doesnt feel stale. Stings whole career has been like a rip-off of everything that was popular at the time. The sort of wooing like Flair, Bret Harts, warrior facepaint moves. Changing into the Crow, changing into a Joker like Batman character. Ive never liked Sting the character, I understand he was a hell of worker. But he really needs to step aside.

    But TNA blows and they have nobody, and the ring is small and Samoa Joe Looks like I do yet Im suposed to belive he this super gifted athlete that can crush people.
     
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    Remember Sting and the Ultimate Warrior were partners 25 yrs ago. Some ideas had to rub-off like facepaint.
     
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    If it was only the paint I could understand. But then the WOOOO thing really ticked me off.

    The the crow phase. They just never had any originality in Sting. At least he always felt that way to me and I was like 12 when I decided I didnt like him.
     
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    There was a rivalry in WCW between Flair and Sting until Flair left for the WWF. the Wooo was mocking Flair.
     
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    The HHH/HBK/Taker segment was awesome last night. HHH's promo about them being the last of a generation was intense.
     
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    I thought the crow sting was one of the better angles in wrestling. he didnt say a thing for almost a year and his entrance at I believe starcade was amazing when he finally went up against hogan. The guy was a great wrestler and was good on the mic but is like 53-54 now. Time to step aside and let the young guys go.

    That is the problem for all companies right now. HHH, Taker, Michaels is more popular than CM Punk, Miz, and Ziggler. The generation coming in is not doing so well and the one before them draws bigger even being 15 years out of their prime. Thats a big issue.

    I thought it was kinda semi good. I have a feeling its gonna pop up around wrestlemania every year until the undertaker retires or the streak is broken. The guy can barely move at this point so not sure which comes first. Also typical HHH is gonna book himself to end it if they do.
     
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    My friend and I get get in this argument all the time. He says the Undertake will win all his matches at Mania.

    I say he wins a couple more, but he will lose the Match and pull a Shawn and retire right after wards. The business of Pro Wrestling si one that you lose your last match. Nobody wins the last match. Unless they come back like the Rock 7 years after the first retirement.

    He will lose. But it wont be to HHH unless that happens this year IMO and that wont because aker needs to get to 20-0.

    Now a huge HBK payday at next wrestlemania to end the streak aint out of the question. Its up to Shawn if he agrees to do it.

    But on the other hand Taker understands the business and I think will push a young guy to give him a boost or help with a major heel turn.
     
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    If you do end the streak it has to go to a young guy that could use it to get more over and not to someone like HHH or HBK who's career is already over and doesn't need it at all. HHH isn't dumb, he knows how much crap he would get from the fans and from fellow wrestlers if he booked himself to end the streak. For that reason alone it's impossible to think he's going to end it.

    HHH for all the crap that's said about him seems to be smart about what's good for business and he knows that him ending the streak would be a worse payoff than the Gobbledeygooker and the Shockmaster put together. HBK doesn't need the money, I think he's on a legends contract w/ WWE anyways which means he gets paid while sitting on his ranch shooting stuff and making occasional appearances like last night.

    I agree that the streak won't end and Taker will retire undefeated. He may have his last match at somewhere like Summerslam if you're dead set on 'killing' the deadman and giving someone that rub while keeping the streak in tact. For what it's worth Taker's said he's willing to end it for the right guy, but I don't think WWE should make him unless they know for sure it's a guy they're going to push big time to help lead the company.

    Oh and one other thing...

    There is this guy named John Cena, I hear he's pretty popular with the kiddies...
     
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    Id be FURIOUS if Taker loses to anyone. There's not a single guy on the roster that would be that much better off for doing it. They are all mannequins lacking charisma, and the streak is the last BIG thing from a previous generation. Shawn, (many people's fav wrestler of all time) gave his career to legitimize the streak. Seeing someone like the Miz pin Taker at wrestlemania would be enough to make thousands of people stop watching WWE. If they know what's good for business, Taker needs to retire undefeated and ride into the sunset.
     
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    He definitely needs to remain undefeated. Like was said, he is the only thing left from the previous generation. I stopped watching WWE quite a while ago, but I am interested because of the streak. I just found used copies of Wrestlemania 1-10 for a total of $24.00, and rewatched them all again.
     
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    so one guy makes up for the lack of the rest of the roster?

    Orton is stale, Miz sucks, Del Rio is a mexican JBL, Ziggler can wrestle but doesnt get the heel heat like the old days, I liked aggresive Kofi last night in the debate they should do that more often, Killings is doing his best work but is getting older, and CM Punk just lacks that edge right now.

    They are lacking on big names compared to the last generation and you know it. Compare todays group to Austin, Rock, DX, Taker, Sting, Hogan, Nash, and a few others. The business is in a dip right now and not sure if its creative or the superstars that are the issue.
     
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    And the last generation was weaker than the the one before it. I agree they are really struggling for big name superstars today.
     
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    It all boils down to them getting rid of real gimmicks. Instead of The Heartbreak Kid, or Undertaker, or Diesel, or The Rock, we have Dolph Ziggler, Cody Rhodes and Wade Barrett. Dry dry dry. They just seem too normal. R-Truth is the best damn thing going on raw right now lol.
     
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    It comes in ebbs and flows. When as many big name guys leave the company so quickly you're going to have a down time. In the past few years HBK, Edge, JBL, Batista, Taker (semi-retired now), have all left the company, not to mention guys like Rey and Christian who are injured currently. If you want to go further back you can look at the deaths of Eddie and he who shall not be named, which left a hole in the roster, and guys like RVD and Angle who also left the company. Not to mention Lesnar who was supposed to be the face of this generation leaving before he even hit his prime. They're in a reloading stage, similar to the mid-90s when guys were leaving for WCW left and right.
     
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    Miss the pop for Kurt Angle. Wonder when Vicki Guerrero's daughter joins the WWE?
     
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    She's already in FCW, looks like she took tips from her mom on how to play the beeyotch role well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p4r2k04dzk

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    So Y2J/Punk and Sheamus/Bryan are set as the title matches, HHH/Taker will be in HIAC, Rock returns next week, and Wade Barrett's arm is broken.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwkUMH6gFq4

    Anything else?
     
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    I agree with you Blakefan. The Bryan rise to champion and subsequent heel turn has been fantastic. Absolutely the best angle of 2012 so far. And I can take or leave Michael Cole, but I give him a lot of credit for his work with Bryan, it's been stellar from the NXT get-go.


    Really not looking forward to Taker/HHH. I kept holding out hope. I was hoping that when Hunter opts out with something like "I'm not going to fight you again, Taker", that all of a sudden a big "BUT I WILL!" would come over the sound system and Mankind making an appearance. I think Mick and Mark could have put one more epic battle together.


    Anybody watch the developmental? I can't wait for Antonio Cessaro and Dean Ambrose to make the rise. A couple others too, Bo Rotundo will be ready soon (got busted for DUI over the weekend though :mad: ) and brother Husky is real good too. Seth Rollins is likely going to be called up soon and Chris Hero is getting started now (as Kassius Ohno) and will likely be in Florida for a year or two.


    Looking forward to the return of Skip Sheffield. Apparently, he's been doing a lot of dark matches recently and has been rumored to return. May not be until after Mania though, we'll see. Really enjoy his work.
     
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    I just dont see it. He was the second worse perfomer in the EC on sunday. thats only because khali cant move at all. I just dont get how people enjoy watching him. Barrett and Rhodes made the no selling indy midget look bad. his promos are boring as hell. He just yells yes all the time. The guy no sells everything which flys in the indies just fine but in the WWE when the big show chokeslams you you dont no sell it.

    I also find it hilarious that santino is the most over guy right now. how the hell did that happen. sure he is funny but seriously he got the loudest pop of the night. thats just some funny stuff right there.
     
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    Complain about the in-ring work if you must, but I'm talking about his stick work and the great heel turn he just turned in. I thought it was phenomenal, except a bit heavy for a while on the vegan thing, but they've toned that down.

    As far as not selling, I don't know. He sells pretty well to me, and really, I'm pretty sure he does exactly what he's being told to do, and if that is not selling, or perhaps low-selling, that's what he'll do. I've heard zero complaints from the locker room or the office about his ring work, so I'm going to assume it's just you.

    I simply did not expect the quality he's been giving on the mic. Always thought of has his weakest skill, I think he's shown that it's a lot better than imagined. Sure, he'll never match the greatest promos of all time, but he's already proven himself better than others who were given the "great wrestler - bad talker" title. I mean, wasn't it painful to have to listen to anything Bret Hart ever said?
     
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    So is Wade's arm really broken or just another Cowboy Bob Orton cast as a weapon trick?
     
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    I was re-watching Wrestlemania 9 last night (one of the stupidest endings to a Wrestlemania ever IMO) when Yokozuma beat Bret Hart, then Hogan ended up with the title again. The surprising thing to me was that Danny Davis was one of the referees that night, and I didn't remember that. I was thinking why was he there after being "banned for life" from officiating several years earlier. I had to look it up to find that he had been reinstated shortly before that Wrestlemania as a probationary referee again.
     
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    Yokozuna was the man. Had the greatest Leg Drop of all times that was just a set up. How a 500+ pound man cant put people out with leg drops but hogans stiff leg piece of crap could is beyond me. Thats why wretsling is awesome.
     
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    If hes still wearing it 3 years later we will know :)
     
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    I get the dummy award for not knowing until recently (as in last week) that Yokozuna was Samoan and not really Japanese.
     
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    Just like Nikolai Volkoff wasn't even Russian.
     
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    Ronaldo G.O.A.T.

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    Always thought he was related to Afa and Sika. The Rock is his cousin.
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2012

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