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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by jamesblakefan#1, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. jamesblakefan#1

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    Smh...well, at least we all know Roddy Piper is Scottish, right? :)
     
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    Actually he is Canadian. But of Scottish descent.
     
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    The Iron Shiek was actually Iranian though. :)
     
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    his no selling has been an issue for awhile he just went over board at EC. The guy no sells and nobody is gonna cry about it pubicly in the locker room. Its the same reason nobody cries about super cena its a good way to lose your push. I just dont mark out because he was a superstar in the indies. there is a reason he was there for so long.

    also bad about Barrett he has been one of the better performers out there. I was really hoping for a him vs sheamus feud at some point but now it has to wait for awhile.

    any thing on ziggler? He looks he took a pretty hard hit as well on that fall. head first into the announcers table and they where saying his arm was messed up as well when it happened.
     
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    I know. Was just being facetious. ;)
     
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    This is the first I've heard anyone say Bryan no sells, I mean he sold the freaking cobra pretty well Sunday night. Punk no sells as well and is a horrible babyface in peril. I didn't watch Bryan in the indies and I'm usually not gung ho about indy guys, but he's won me over. Obviously he hasn't done the same for you, which is fine. Everyone has guys who no matter what they just don't like. That's what's great about wrestling, it's preference and your tastes since there's really no stats to base performance on outside of ratings and buyrates.

    Ziggler worked the dark match last night, so he seems to be fine.
     
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    Yep, he pulled it off pretty well.

    Yes, and Umaga, and Rikishi, and Samu,l and Afa Jr. and the Uso's.


    And still hilarious
     
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    1. I can't wait to see Taker's hair lol.
    2. I can't wait to see how they somehow set up a HIAC match at an open-air arena at Wrestlemania o_O??
    3. Taker better win this match. Feels like it's going to be his last from all the finality things they mentioned in the promo last night.
     
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    he is just not for me we will have to agree on that. Guy is such a vanilla midget that never should have been but oh well in this down time of wrestling this is what we get. He wouldnt even make the roster in the attitude era but oh well its a little down right now.

    ya he is ok I read that. It just looked bad and he was ok.

    It really is to bad with Barrett the guy is really good. he is one of the few heels they have that is actually a good heel. him vs sheamus would have been great but oh well we have to wait for it.
     
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    Where is Mason Ryan?
     
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    He was on Superstars last week. Lost to Jack Swagger.
     
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    Can only watch this on WWE.com? Present at a match used for Superstars but it is no longer on WGN.
     
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    I recently saw a fellow at a local hot dog joint who was the biggest human being I've ever seen. He was bigger than my car. The owner of the hot dog joint said he was a pro wrestler and that his stage name was "The Big Show." So, I looked him up. He's listed at 7' tall, 441 lbs.

    PS: According to Wikipedia, he had acromegaly, which would explain it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Show
     
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    Please don't misconstrue for any sort of big Bryan mark, but I have been very impressed, and I'll stand by my saying he's doing the best work in the company right now. It is too bad about Barrett, one of my favorites right now. Still waiting on the Skip Sheffield comeback too.

    What else will be on the WM card?

    Obviously, we have Punk v. Jericho, DB v. Sheamus, HIAC and Cena v. Rock. Show and Shaq are also being rumored.

    Personally, I'd like to award Mark Henry for the work he's done recently and let him destroy Khali. As much as seeing Khali on a WM card might ruin it, I think Henry deserves it.

    I guess there'll be a ten man match for GM supremacy? Wonder who'll be in this.

    Will there be a Beth v. Kharma match, and will there be anything for the tag titles?
     
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    Shaking my head to the maximum degree.
     
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    oddly enough if you go by crowd reaction santino is doing the best work. I actually think that sums up the shows lately. The guy who got assigned the goof ball Italian gimmick is the most over guy you have thats so bad its good.

    I feel like Paul Hayman where I say when HHH, Michaels, and I will throw in taker get bigger pops than the current crop of stars thats really bad and something is wrong. Those 3 guys are legends of the industry but their time is over and they get better reponse than almost everyone else on the roster. Something aint right.

    I do give CM Punk props for calling Chris Brown a piece of crap. The guy seems like a solid guy for doing things like that out in the public. Its just to bad he really is lacking a heel so bad that they had to bring back Jericho to give this guy a proper push.

    I think there are guys that could get a great response if they let them go instead of having creative holding them back. Cody Rhodes is a guy I really like and just think its a waste of his talents not to have him in the picture for the title. there isnt really a weakness in the guy at all. Same with Barrett and Sheamus. Also throw in Mark Henry as doing some of his best work ever. guy stuck out alot of bad gimmicks. I will never forget the hand child thing with mae young. Maybe PG isnt so bad after all if it stops that stuff from getting on the show.
     
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    Go ahead and do so, but I question why.

    He's gotten good to great matches out of Show, Henry, Sheamus and more. Had a really good show with Punk on Tuesday, but that's to be expected. I paid a lot of extra attention to his selling in that match, and I thought it was just fine. Punk was obviously in much more peril during the match, and he sold like a superstar, so it was a bad match to focus on Bryan. But I'll watch again, next time he takes on a Giant or a Monster.

    His mic work has been excellent, too. Seems like he was finally given a run to talk some, and it started slow, but after throwing some things at the wall to see what stuck, he's really becoming a good, not great by all means, talker. Again, compare him to somebody as painful on the mic as Bret Hart or Chris Benoit.

    I said he's putting in the best work "right now", as in recent weeks up to maybe two months. That guy changes often for me. Mark Henry had that title for much of last year, he was just phenomenal.

    Maverick, there is no choice but to let a new generation start to take control, and in 3-5 years, we'll see who makes it. I think we'll see a lot of Rhodes, Ziggler, Swagger (still have high hopes for him), Ambrose and maybe Cessaro once they come up.
     
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    Let's not forget how the Hurricane used to get pretty big reactions back in the day. So a comedy act getting big reax from the crowd is not an anomaly.

    Orton gets the biggest pops, and Cena's still the guy people pay to see, love him or hate him. You're really overplaying how dire the situation is. Like I said, they're rebuilding since they've lost a lot of stars the past few years. But they've done a good job in making new stars so far.
     
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    May be surprised how popular Sheamus is now.
     
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    Sheamus is awesome :)
     
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    I dont think I am overplaying as much as I grew up with the attitude era and expect that quality. Its just not there and it hasnt been. I really dont put the blame on most of the wrestlers as much as the fact that they hire out of work soap writers to do the show. They just dont have solid build ups right now.

    The Eve-Cena-Ryder thing couldnt have been handled much worse than how they did it. Instead of now having a Ryder push for that top slot with him going after Cena and using an established guy to put over a younger one they turn Eve heel right away and all but kill it. Ryder already put out a tweet or something say bros before hos so the angle is pretty much dead and Cena goes on to continue being the top draw and two others now go back to low to mid card. They really had a chance to get two new people over and just dropped the ball.

    Shane Helms was pretty over and got good reactions I will agree to that. However if you put him in a EC match with the top names of his time do you believe he gets a bigger pop than the guys in that match?
     
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    The Attitude Era has been pretty overrated. The top of the card was great, but the rest of the card you had stuff like Mae Young and Mark Henry which made you downright embarrassed. The midcard during the AE flat out sucked. I'd say that now the overall depth of the roster and amount of guys that can put on good matches is greater than it was in the AE, but the character work is what's lacking. Back then even midcarders had gimmicks you could get behind, but now there's too many generic bad ass heels and smiley babyfaces with no real back story or definition. And most of the AE storylines were not that much diff from typical soap storylines (HHH 'marrying' Steph right before she was going to marry Test, leading to the McMahon Helmsley Era, I could go on). I grew up on the AE but now I see that it wasn't as godly as some make it seem. I enjoyed it but it has it's flaws as well, flaws that get overlooked when most people look back on it.

    Ryder's more relevant now than he's been at any point in his career, and he's likely going to be in a big match w/ Kane at WM. It's pretty unrealistic to hotshot a guy too quickly, lest they fizzle out like Alex Riley and Jack Swagger. You're really going to put Ryder in the same league as Cena, Orton, Punk based off of internet smarks loving him? Ryder will be fine, him acting as Kane's punching bag gave him more sympathy and made his character more complex than being the long island ******bag, which was running out of steam quickly.

    Orton who was the top face of SD got hurt, which changed things somewhat and you're ignoring that. Sheamus who's also getting huge reactions wasn't in the match. I think you're overplaying it. Santino is good, damn good, and people bought into the underdog just like when Shelton Benjamin was facing off with HHH and Hurricane was facing off with Rock. Jefff Hardy's another guy who always got huge reactions regardless of where he was on the card. I think you're taking one isolated incident and using it as an indictment of the whole roster.

    The depth at the top isn't there, but again when you lose: HHH, HBK, Taker, Edge, Batista, Rey Rey (injured), Angle, Eddie...all of those guys were huge stars and have left for various reasons the past few years. So WWE is trying to build new stars overnight and so far it's going well with Punk catching fire, Sheamus and Bryan (who I know you're not a fan of, but still), Dolph and Rhodes in the wings, and of course the vets in Orton Cena and Jericho. Not to mention HHH, Taker, and Rock making occasional appearances. You can't just force stars though, you have to build guys properly or you risk Swaggering them and ruining them beyond repair. That's why guys like Ryder shouldn't be forced before they are ready.
     
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    Can any TNA guy make an impact in WWE?
     
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    I haven't followed it in ages. The last I remember is the monday night wars with WCW vs. WWF. Nothing like good ol' Ric Flair and Bobby the Brain Heenan.
     
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    When I was a young lad, I used to like Championship Wrestling From Florida with Gordon Solie calling the matches. I remember wrestlers like Red Bastien, Johnny Valentine, The Great Malenko, Wahoo McDaniel (who simultaniously played linebacker for the Dolphins), Eddie Graham, Thunderbolt Patterson, Jack and Jerry Brisco, Dusty Rhodes, and Dory Funk, Jr. and Terry Funk. Those were the days.
     
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    Not really. I have heard that with the new tag team push HHH wants to put on they want beer money to come over to wwe but i doubt they get a solid push if they do come over.

    tna has potential but just doesnt seem to really know where they want there product to go. there just is no direction in the company and the product reflects it. Its a shame because I really like a few of their guys like Rhoode, Styles, and Samoa Joe when he gave a crap and was in semi shape.
     
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    Thought A J Styles could make some noise. Austin Aries and Eddie Edwards too but may be too small, eh?
     
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    AJ IMO is the only guy right now who has not been in WWE before that could come over and make some noise. Not HW champ champ, but put on good matches for the smaller straps maybe. If Daniel Bryan was bad on the mic I dont how to explain AJ he is beyond bad.

    I'd like to see what a guy like Gunnar would do. He seems decent on the mic and has good look to him with size and does good work in the ring.

    They try to pump up Matt Morgan, but there is somethign about his stick legs that makes him look wierd to me. And I havent seen Crimson do enough to put him anywhere. They tried to do the goldberg thing with him but people aint falling for that anymore.
     
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    If HHH wants to get the tag title back into relevence there is a pretty easy solution. Bring the Dudley's back and have them start putting people through tables again.
     
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    styles falls under the amazing in ring not so great out of ring category. i have multiple times gone wow when watching him in the ring. He is prime candidate for needing a manager coming out to the ring to talk for him. He needs a Vickie to get him over.

    Gunnar has the size and look and honestly I dont think TNA is really helping him by having him be bischoff and flairs muscle. he was in the title tournament thing they had a little while back and now he is either jobbing out to or squashing bischoffs son. Seems like a waste of talent.

    Didnt WWE already try matt morgan and decide they didnt like him?

    I wouldnt mind seeing the Dudleys come back but isnt that part of the problem right now? We are hoping 40+ yo guys come back to save the tag teams. where are the 20-30 yo that should be lights out right now?
     
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    AJ needs a manager for sure. Alot of guys need managers. They should probably bring managers back some. Vickie is really the only one at the moment. Somehow just her yelling "Excuse ME" gets instant heat and has for quite some time.

    TNA is doing gunnar no justice at all. But its TNA we are talking about.

    Yes WWE rightfully let Morgan go. And he has done zero to make them regret that decision. But the fact that TNA tries to throw him out there like a main event caliber guy I figured I'd throw him in there as some peiople may not even remeber the stuttering Matt morgan character in WWE. Hes on insurance comercials now doing a kinda Terry Tate thing.

    I think Tyler Reks and Curt Hawkins have some potential as Tag Teamers. But bringing the Dudleys in and maybe beer moeny if they dont look too small (they are both only 6ft) could give the division a shot to get the ball rolling.
     
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    I thought Gabriel and Slater where doing pretty good as a team and got over pretty decent. They broke them up and neither are doing to good on their own. Also liked Cryme Time but Shad just was unpolished in the ring and JTG is no good on his own. Some guys just work alot better as a team than as indivuduals.

    with that said I am shocked at how good bubba ray is on his own. the run he is having in tna is some of his best work ever and that says alot if you go back to his ECW promos where he started riots.
     
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    TNA guys in WWE? I think a guy like Brutus Magnus could get over. Unfortunately Matt Morgan was given that stuttering gimmick before, or else he could be a good one. Maybe Crimson, maybe Gunner, maybe Joe. There's a few that could have a career, but not sure how huge they could get.
     
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    Totally agree with all that. I hadnt known Shad had been in WWE/OVW since 03 though.

    Never liked Slater, the one man rock band? How dumb is that. Its almost as dumb as the Tank with the Ferrari engine. You can put a Ferrari Engine in a tank it wouldnt go anywhere. That is why they put tank engine's in tanks. Everything about Husky Harris is just dumb.

    Bubba/Bully Ray is doing great work right now. I would really like to see him with the strap, but as he is really the only one they got in TNA that keeps some sort of story going he probably wont get there.

    Magnus has a chance I forget about him because they got him stuck with Samoa Joe. Matt Morgan has everything a big man is wrestling should have except those stick legs. That is serioulsy all it is I think.

    Crimson is young, but they are prtectinghim too much. He needs to get a larger moveset and really put on an entire match. He cant do that at the moment so they stuck him with Morgan.

    Joe just plain is terrible. WWE would never let him Muscle Bust anyone and that all he has going for him.
     
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    or the world's greatest tag team- benjamin and haas.
     
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    agree on slater. Part of nexus did good on his own wow you are just not gonna work out. barret carried the mic skills for all those guys and when the group broke up he really is the only one doing good solo. Otunga is doing ok as jonny ace's carlton but thats about it for nexus guys.

    Joe just doesnt seem to care anymore. he used to be really good and who doesnt like a guy that gets a crowd to chant Joe is gonna kill you.
     
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    Who are some of your favorite tag teams of all time?

    Mine are Demolition, The British Bulldogs, The Killer Bees and Money Inc.
     
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    Joe Probably knows WWE has no plans to ever do anythign with him.

    TNA is putting him at mid-card level. Teaming him up with someone. He feels he is getting shafted.

    But instead of working harder ro tryin to change he just said EFF it, and started mailing in paychecks. People will always pay to see someone get muscle busted. The bigger namesguys wont get or are too big to get Muscle busted so hes got his place on the card.

    Some guys you can tell they got what it takes. Barrett has everything you need. Ken Kennedy/Anderson is another guy that with the right push could come back into WWE and be a player. But he sorta burned his bridges from what I read.

    I always though Drew McIntyre had a chance, but hes all but buried at the moment.
     
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    Demolition had awesome ring music. "Here comes the axe, and here comes the smasher, were demolition walking disaster"

    Money Inc was also great. DiBiase is one of my favorite wrestlers ever. That whole Gimmick was perfect. And they actually let him for real do all that stuff. He said the guys backstage really hated on him for it.

    As stated the Dudleys (DVon and Bubba) are my favorite ever.

    Also liked Ron Simmons and Bradshaw when the went to APA.

    Harlem Heat as well. That was great team.
     
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    One ray of hope for TNA is they have a deal with OVW now to be the feeder/developmental area.

    I always though OVW did a better job than FCW.

    But if anyone is any good and Vince wants to hire, they go to WWE.
     
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    ken anderson burned his bridges when they kayfabe said he was hurt after he injured Orton and he made the youtube video moving his wrist around showing the WWE lied. they dont like when you do that to them. I never really got the appeal of him anyways he is a pretty good performer but I just never bought into the mic thing.

    Mcintyre got buried hard. he must have really pissed someone off because he went from solid mid card belt push to your losing every night and getting fired soon gimmick.

    problem with FCW is they all go down to florida and party. Its amazing how many wrestlers down there dont do crap yet love the night life. They should have left it in a region that they could focus on wrestling and stay the hell out of the clubs.
     
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    For whatever reason, I think McIntyre will be playing the key role in the GM supremacy match, either anti Teddy Long or pulling a huge swerve pro-Long.

    That's fine with me, I think it helps the office weed out those more interested in the party from those determined to make it in the business.
     
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    Most of the legends where guys that partied like animals how ever they worked in territories that where boring. FCW gives these guys access to just to many distractions. I can remember Cornette ripping on the WWE for moving the developmental to florida saying how many problems its gonna create. when it was based in the ******* where there isnt that much to do outside of wrestle and train they where having less issues with the younger talent.
     
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    First off, Tampa isn't really all that exciting. I lived there for 15 years and I love it, but to say that it's a worse area to get in trouble in than the Louisville/Cincinnati area is wrong.

    I'm aware of all the road stories from Flair and the rest of the legends, but the 70's are over. Territories are over. Wrestlers don't jam themselves five to a car to go from one show to another anymore. And sure, we hear the stories of the legends, but how many stories must there be of guys who never made it because they partied too much? There's nothing wrong with partying, as long as you put your job first, and those legends you refer to wouldn't be legends if they didn't do that.

    So yeah, there's nothing wrong with the FCW location, just as there's nothing wrong with the OVW location. The guys who party themselves out of Florida would have done the same if developmental was still in Kentucky.
     
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    I know Cena isn't very popular....anywhere. But the past couple of weeks I don't see how anyone can say he hasn't gotten the better of the Rock on the mic. Rock was awful on the mic last night, and I say that as someone who grew up loving the guy.

    That promo may have been the worst of his career. I don't give a damn about Twitter trending topics and juvenile ways to call Cena a bit...Cena just has brought it the past couple of weeks. It's almost like WWE is doing it intentionally to make Rock look like a delusional jackass and make Cena more over.
     
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    that's it.....it's all a attempt to push lame cena. the rock could bury cena without effort...he gave a c-level promo because vince tod him to. cena had three different promos on the night and still can't get over. the rock killed cena, punk, orton and any of the other wrestlers who talked about him in basically one line. cena like the rest of them comes off as a whiner mad because the crowd is tired of his gimmick.
     
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    we are not gonna agree on this. Its better to have your wrestlers training in middle of nowhere Kentucky where there is almost no distractions for them.

    At first it seemed like a heel Cena turn then it was just the Rock doesnt seem to have it anymore. There is just something lacking in his promos that used to really pop the crowd. Cena when giving a free mic is really good and something they had taken away from him that caused him to go stale. I get that he is the face of the company and they want him to be all pg and Hulk Hogan like but even the nice guy has to have some edge to him. You take that away in pro wrestling and whats the point.

    The twitter thing needs to go away. I dont care if they are trending and seriously I dont know who does. If you are sitting there watching this going I hope fruity pebbles trends on twitter I am sad for your life.
     
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    I dont exactly know if its location or not. But OVW IMO does do a better job of getting there guys ready in all facets. Maybe its as simple as Al Snow knows the business better than whoever FCW is paying to be like Al Snow.

    Twitter has its place (mainly JennyJohnsonHi5) but it does not have a place on my pro wrestling broadcast. Simple as that.

    Every Face superstar reaches a point where they get stale. It has more to do that when a guy is over it gets shoved down your throat while Vince milks every bit of cash out of it he can.

    Bret Hart got stale
    Hogan got stale
    Austin was staring to dip a little but he got hurt before there was a chance.
    Taker has gotten stale multiple times.

    most guys will bounce back and forth from heel to face. They tried to do that with Bret Hart, but then he went WCW and that didnt pan out.

    Hogan obvioulsy went heel and it was legendary.

    How many times has HH went back and forth

    Same with Taker

    With Cena they really have a chance to make his heel turn mean something. The heel turn can have the ability to affect more than just his career. I actually think if they do a Cena Heel turn (which wont happen) it has to at least be a 3 or 4 man stable. One man by himself cant generate as much heat as a group. Especially if the group has mic skills.
     

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