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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by jamesblakefan#1, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. hollywood9826

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    I remeber reading about how WCW told Hall and Nash to turn down the Promo's on Goldberg becuas ethey were making him (Goldberg) look bad.

    The Rock is sorta in the same boat. His A Promo makes everyone else A proms look like C- (excpet maybe punk and Jericho who would be liek a B). And Rock doesnt really care enough to try if he really wanted to anyway.

    They really should have staretd this whole Rock vs Cena thing around Summer Slam. Any intersted it generated at first is gone. And I dont expect a great macth anyway.
     
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    Start a new Outsiders from another company and let Cena turn bad and join them.
     
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    thats a TNA move to rehash old WCW story lines. hell they tried it with The Band idea but unfortunately two of the three couldnt stay sober long enough to work.

    If they are gonna turn Cena heel vs the Rock isnt the best time to do it. They need to use the heel turn to also really promote another wrestler. They turn him and give a good guy to fight him.

    This would be something I could actually see working for The Miz. Cena turn Miz calls him a hypocrite they have feud and Miz can finally get over instead of being buried by Cena again. It works and puts a new guy in the title picture. Of course they wont do it because Cena is Cena.

    Ziggler works as well going against this and really has nothing going on as of now so he works in there as well. There might be a few others but use it to put over a young guy not to promote a one time ppv buy rate.
     
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    But WWE recent track record almost assures us it strictly for PPV buy rates.

    I just dont see this Cena thing going anywhere.
     
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    So, it looks like the Shaq vs. Show rumors were just that. Should be a nice notch in Rhodes' belt to knock off the big man.

    The rest of the card is taking shape and most of it looks good.

    Still think Taker should have found a better dance partner. Even if he wanted to go with an established star, I was hoping Foley as Mankind.
     
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    Thats too bad. Maybe TNT gave shaq too much pressure to not do it. I know he loves the WWE and I see no other reason besides medical why he would be down for some WM in Miami.
     
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    I heard money may have been an issue as well. I'm sure he'll do it eventually, it would have been cool for this year but the show's already pretty stacked as is.

    Also apparently Barrett would have won MITB at WM had he not have gotten injured, instead they're bringing back the MITB PPV and not having the match at WM.
     
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    Good point about the cash.

    I like Barrett, after that whole Nexus/Corre thing just sorta died he was kinda just stuck in no mans land for a while.

    Im sure they are getting close to building him back up so Orton can just bury him.
     
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    Orton and Kane are gonna feud so hopefully it brings back insane split personality Orton. I liked the guy that snapped and kicked people in the head.

    As for Barrett if you watch his youtube things of Wade asks the questions the guy is really good when he goes off on his own. Let him talk because he is funny when he does. I am a fan of his and hope he is in the title picture when he comes back.
     
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    Orton has to stop the bangin his fists on the mat thing. That is so dumb looking.

    As Ive said before Orton looks and has the skills like an all time great, but there is something about him that does not resonate with me. I cant put my finger it.

    They keep talking about skip sheffiled coming back. I think that guy has some potential. Hes got a sweet finishing move anyway, and that half the battle.
     
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    Ya that banging the mat thing is so silly. I get setting up your finisher but really convulsing on the ground is the answer to that?

    Orton is a victim of lack of top end talent. He got stale because there wasnt anyone for him to work with on smackdown. I like Christian alot but he is a mid carder. Henry was gonna be great for him but they separated the two. His feud with Barrett was shaping up pretty well but barrett got hurt. Now they have him with Kane which could work in the bring out the angry evil Orton again. The guy that was so over when they face turned Debiase and Rhodes people where cheering for the Heel in Orton.
     
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    was having this debate on another forum and thought i would ask here. Where do you put Sting in the all time greats?

    I have him below Hogan,austin, rock but in the HBK, undertaker range. some say he cant be because he never worked for vince but i think he carried WCW and was really good as the antihero against the nwo.
     
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    Well I might as well put my overall top 10, in terms of money made, cultural impact, crossover appeal, aka the whole package:

    1. Hogan
    2. Austin
    3. Flair
    -gap-
    4. Rock
    5. HBK
    -gap-
    6. Cena
    7. Andre
    8. Macho

    After that it's kinda hard for me. Sting, Taker, Hart, I guess are the guys I'd put in that next tier. To be fair I've never been a huge Sting fan, even when he was in WCW, though I've always wanted him to come to WWE.

    Tonight's Raw...that Rock segment was almost in so bad it's good territory, but not really, so just so bad. I didn't think it was possible, but the Rock has been boring me. His jokes are lame and childish. This match is going to have to be a 10/10 in order to save this feud.

    That Jericho promo was money though. Shows why he is the real Best in the World. I'm looking forward to how Punk responds.
     
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    Mav, I love you :)
     
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    I never got sting. As I said before to me everything he did was kinda just ripping off what was popular. But I understand his place among the greats and he was WCW main face when Flair was the main heel.

    My Top -10

    Macho - perfect combo of in ring ability and mic work

    Hogan - Not much in ring, but the showman ship and Hell turn put him over the edge.

    Austin - Started the bad guys can be good guys thing.

    Bret Hart - Always seemed to be carrying whoever he wrestled. greatest in ring worker ever. Lacked mic skills, but plenty good for that Era

    Rock - Could have so much more.

    Flair - Carried WCW for years with inferior competition

    Taker - Great gimmick when characters were more prevelant. Added agilty to big man style

    Mr. Perfect - Injuries derailed what was to be career similar to Bret Hart but better heel skills.

    Jericho - Somehow a less than 6 footer is a legit HW champ.

    HBK - Never felt like a top guy to me but was always there. Sorta like Cal Ripken.

    Honarble mentions

    Million dollar man
    HHH
    DDP
     
  18. maverick66

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    I never got the HBK love either. He was always there but I dont know just never felt like the biggest guy. Taker, Austin, and the Rock always felt much much bigger than Michaels.

    Never really cared for Flair either. I get his ability but maybe I am just not old enough to really care about his steamboat matches or that his gimmick went on for 30-40 years.

    I would put Sting in there with those guys in your top ten. For me he was just really good. I know he used the Crow gimmick from the movie but the build up of it really was borderline perfect. When he came out at starcade the place erupted. The NWO doesnt work for as long as it did without him fighting back against them. Nobody else made that stand like he did. Maybe some DDP moments but sting and that bat made people jump out of their seats.
     
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    I always thought of Goldberg as a bigger deal than Sting during that time.

    Flair's bar none the best ever on the mic. In the ring he could put on a great match even in his waning years in the WWE.
     
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    sting fought the nwo before goldberg was even thought of.

    I dont agree that flair is the best on the mic but thats gonna come down to preference so no point arguing that one.
     
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    Goldberg was the joke of jokes. No mic skills and two moves. They (WCW) actually told Hall and Nash to take it easy on Goldberg in promos becasue he had no ability to come back and it was making him look bad..

    Flair was so far ahead of everyone on the mic in his prime it does kind of scew it little bit. There are plenty of guys now that are as good as flair, but in the 80's and early 90's nobody stood a chance
     
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    The Great Malenko! The ultimate villain with the famous and terrible Russian Sickle submission hold!

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    Goldberg didn't speak for the majority of his run. That wasn't his job. I don't give a damn how many moves he knew, the guy was the biggest thing in wrestling for a certain period of time. Now it seems like everyone Shiites on him. It's the ultimate revisionist history, since pretty much everyone I knew growing up was a Goldberg fan. The streak was huge. It's sorta like Ultimate Warrior the way some want to act like Goldberg wasn't a huge effing deal and didn't help make WCW a ton of money in 98 specifically. After that, lousy booking sunk WCW.
     
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    Congrats to Penn State on a great year and a really strong result last weekend to defend their NCAA championship.

    Minnesota was second. Iowa third.

    Olympic trials in about 1 month. April 21-22:

    http://iowacitytolondon.com/
     
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    I always saw through the joke that was Bill Goldberg. I almost got beat up at starcade for cheering for Luger and Buff to pin his @$$.

    After about the 5th time he did the super kick, spear jacjhammer combo and the announcers started hangin from his jock I knew it would end badly.

    WWE is runing into that same problem with Cena. When you make someone look unbeatable you limit your booking potential. Cena has enough Mic Skills and more skill in the ring than Goldberg which is why it has lasted that much longer.

    But, I will admit admit Goldberg was a huge draw and plenty of people were intersted in seeing who he would squash every week on Nitro. But I also though it was intersting at Starcade I didnt hear the entore arena chanting Goldberg like you heard on TV. Either he lost his luster by then or WCW piped that into stream to make him appeal like a bigger deal.
     
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    It doesn't matter how many moves he did, he made people go ape sh.. when he came onto the scene without even saying a word. He had a great in ring presence and made people want to see him, again, without saying a word. You don't have to do 1000 holds like Dean Malenko to be great. Goldberg was great for his time. Not all time great, but he sure as hell meant a hell of a lot more than most of the great 'wrestlers' the internet loves to slobber over.

    And FWIW Goldberg did do some MMA shoot stuff in a few matches that often gets overlooked.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43LjkIizWIU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxZFF7mdcCQ

    Was he the greatest ever? No. Is he an all time great? No. But for his time, he made as big of an impact as anyone in history, and again it seems like people like to crap on him in retrospect and act like he was nothing.

    I don't see how you can say that Cena is unbeatable or that the WWE is booking him that way. He's lost big matches to Punk, Orton, Sheamus (who I don't think he's ever beaten one on one), Edge, Miz, Booker T, and Batista during his run at the top, hell he even let K Fed pin him. WWE has done anything BUT make Cena look unbeatable.

    Glad that you admit that. And yes, some cheers were piped in, I'll give you that much. :) The place still exploded when he beat Hogan for the title.
     
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    I wasnt one of them.

    Goldberg was so unbeatable they ended the streak by him getting zapped with a taser. At least Austin gave him fond farewell.
     
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    Goldberg was right guy right place that got carried by everyone he ever stepped in the ring with. He was a terrible wrestler and everyone knew it. Squash matches one after another. He got a huge push and worked out for wcw but also never did crap after his first push.

    he legit tried to fight Jericho and lost. Jericho is not a big wrestler at all so ya I dont buy the Goldberg was a MMA shoot guy to much.



    It hurts when you have him beat the entire nexus singlehandly. Or when Miz and Riley beat him for a solid 20 mins and he just all the sudden mucles up and beats them both. I liked Cena's rap gimmick not so much this new one. I dont blame him as its creative that i hurting him.

    and that is the issue. creative these days isnt doing much to great. They are killing runs for CM Punk by sticking Nash and HHH in the middle of it. They put a no selling vanilla midget as a champ. the divas might as well all be fired they are that important to the show. The top draws for Wrestlemania are 4 guys that are no longer full time. They have failed hard in bringing along the next level of talent.
     
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    They had Jericho beating GBerg in the story and GBerg refused to lose to him saying that in real life he had no chance. Jericho beat him down, but i think they still let GBerg win.

    I think GBerg had alot of Ultimate Warrior similarities to him. Both were huge at one time. Both I dont think were favorites backstage. Hogan let both beat him to give them the huge push into stardom. Neither guy for whatever reason was able to really maintain it.

    GBerg just plain sucked once he had to have a match for more than 3 minutes.

    Warrior just plain got shafted over wanting the intelluctual rights to his character.

    But similar career arcs none the less.
     
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    I think they are a tad different.

    Warrior outside of the money also was just unrelieable. He no showed events, was really stiff in ring, and was just stand offish backstage. I cant find to many interviews where people enjoyed working with him. I can find a ton where guys didnt and I am not counting that burying job the WWE released as a dvd.

    Goldberg literally fell into his spot. Bischoff even said they put him out there let him squash people and it worked. However once he was forced to work matches he was exposed bad. I can recall Lance Storm *****ing about working with him and if that guy cant make you look good nobody was going to.

    The similarity I agree with is they came and went fast. Great pushes but just ran out of steam fast. Warrior if it wasnt for the backstage stuff would have lasted but Goldberg had no shot once people got tired of the squash matches.
     
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    Again, who gives a freak? I'm not arguing that the guy was a great wrestler or even a good one, but he still was a big freaking deal at that time. Yet in retrospect people like you crap on him and give him zero credit. He had the look and charisma in the ring even without saying anything on the mic to make the whole crowd go wild. Sure he was strongly booked, but that's the case with any guy that gets over.

    Jesus am I speaking Chinese? I didn't say that he was full blown MMA but he did have times in matches where he showed those kinds of moves, so he wasn't as worthless as you guys are making it seem. Of course the majority of his matches were squashes, they were booking him to be strong and unbeatable. Hence the winning streak.

    I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this, it's 2 vs 1 and I'm obviously not going to make you guys even try to think differently.

    Rock and SCSA had similar moments. Let's we forget SC coming in and stunning literally everyone?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLRbNe8Knk

    Or Rock getting beat by Benoit for an entire match and using one Rock Bottom to win?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4HmOSqgoJ0

    Please, let's not act like Cena's the first top guy in history to be booked like Superman.

    We've gone over this before, the roster's been decimated by injuries and guys leaving - Rey, Edge, Batista are top guys who were in their primes that have been out or left in the past year or so. They're in a rebuilding stage and are trying to make new draws. Punk is one. Sheamus seems to be another. It's not going to happen overnight, just like with pro sports when you lose guys through retirement it takes time to build up their replacements. 03-04 was a similar time after Brock left and Rock/Austin retired.
     
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    Anyone believe Brock Lesnar will return?
     
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    Well, he WAS the Alpha male in WWE and F.
    Proven to have a glass chin, who knows? Most of the public know his fighting history, so he'll have to wait a few years.
    Always one of my favs, I just like to see the big boyz pummell each other for real or for show.
     
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    He was getting stale. I think the Rock coming in and working with him and him going off on his own a little have been great for him. He is good when they let him be him.

    Creative sucks. If you dont see that I dont know what to say. They literally had a diva farting. Really thats the angle for her to fart.
    They pulled the plug on Nexus fast, They walk away from storylines all the time. What ever happened to the raw gm? Computer guy just vanished. They havnt done a great build up for awhile and its creative that is killing the talent. The talent is there but the difference from them and the Attitude era is the Attitude guys had some creative control so there characters reflected them. New guys are not allowed to show that. The one that did is CM Punk and he sky rocketed fast because you are seeing parts of him in the character.

    I heard he is going to CZW. I hope thats really incorrect as that thing is an embarrassment to wrestling but its what I have heard.
     
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    No love for The Great Malenko?
     
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    He (Malenko) trained some very good wrestlers as well.

    Dont know much about him though.

    How many of you guys are getting pumped for the Lord Tensei (A-Train) return?

    Hopefully he shaves his back hair or just wears some stupid outfit.

    He was pretty good in New Japan as a tag champ and cuold bridge the gap while some of the younger develop a little.

    But they probabkly have him lose to Cena or Orton right of the bat and then just start jobbing to mid-carders.
     
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    you hit the nail on the head. creative, i believe is former soap opera writers who don't know how to write wrestling. it's stephanie being clueless and triple h 's ego trying to get the glory he never had during the attitude era. the diva division is a joke, they got rid of gail and mickie james just to have natalya farting and beth fighting maria "publicity chaser" menuonos at wm. like she needs more publicity.....and they are so backward...when alicia fox was just a beauty queen like kelly kelly and eve they gave her the strap. now that she has gotten better they have her jobbing. they got rid of serena just to push the dogfaced bella twins.
    as far as smackdown goes they had something with mark henry, but then they threw it away for vanilla/boring daniel bryan. and sheamus is alright but more interesting as a heel.
    you are right about the nexus.....they hyped up some takeover plot that otunga alluded to but they never explained it and left it unanswered just like many other storylines. and for all the hype, the nexus will givew you only 1 main eventer. that's as successful as the spirit squad! they wasted darren young, gabriel, slater and tarver. just have to hope skip sheffield can come back to the main roster.
    raw is boring with 15 mins promos of cm punk *****ing, doing his best stone cold ripoff with a fake vince to match. cena is plastic and they waste dolph ziggler. no wonder mvp left.
     
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    Is the Great Malenko Boris Malenko? Dean and Joe Malenko's Father.
     
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    He's been in Japan for awhile now (back shaved) and is a big deal over there as Giant Bernard.

    To your last statement - do you really expect him to come in and go over Cena/Orton right off the bat?

    To the past few posts by maverick/TERRASTAR - I'm not saying creative is perfect, but one if it's really that bad, why do you watch? And two, creative's done pretty much everything you IWC smarks have wanted this past year. CM Punk has had a long title reign, so has Daniel Bryan, Jericho and Rock coming back, Cena and Orton not having the title 24/7, and you guys still find stuff to crap on.

    You people will never be satisfied, WWE could do everything you wanted and you'd still complain about something like bad lighting. TERRASTAR - you really expected Justin Gabriel or Darren Young to be future world champs? Barrett and Sheffield were really the only true potential stars in Nexus, though even Otunga has found his niche w/ a good lawyer gimmick based off this real life graduation from Harvard.

    Guys don't have creative control? Ryder's gimmick is based off the fact that he's really from Long Island and WWE let him run with it. They let Dolph have direction in his character as well. Bryan's character has his real life veganism infused. It's pretty well known that Vince will push guys if they show initiative with their characters., like Ryder, Miz, Punk, Bryan.

    Seriously, what more do you people want? You will ***** about any and everything regardless so there's no point in trying to satisfy people that are so fickle.

    /rant.
     
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    You should look into how Zack Ryders show came to be and the issues he had with getting on tv. When CM Punk did his rant the bullying story he was referencing was Vince and Ryder. The WWE was not happy at all that he went off on his own and if it wasnt for the fact that it went so over with the fans he would be looking at TNA right now. He took a big chance and took alot of crap for it and it worked out because he got over.

    So because the guy is vegan thats him being his character? Is he also an abusive ****** as well?

    Miz has been so buried lately it hurts. Its so bad it made its way into the dam storyline. I am not complaining as i dont like him all that much anyway but he got buried after his solid run.

    Punk is working because that is punk. Listen to him off character in interviews and same guy. It shows he is being himself and that got him over. When he was the Nexus leader it wasnt him and he made it work but it took for him to go off on the industry like he wanted to push him over the edge. he basically summed up the frustration alot of people are having with something they grew up really enjoying.

    The show needs work and the reality is creative doesnt know what to do. I like that they did the Brotus Clay thing to give variety that was a good idea. But then they follow it up with a vanilla midget abusing his girlfriend in a way that is not entertaining at all.
     
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    John Cena also helped by going to creative and asking for him to be pushed more, but of course that gets ignored by the internet since everything about Cena is evil.

    No but it's just like what they did w/ Punk and the SES, using real parts of his life to help get him over as 'better than you'. No one likes a self righteous d bag, and that's where they're going at w/ Bryan. The fact that you can't appreciate that doesn't change the fact that it's been quite effective in getting him over as a straight up d-bag.

    I guarantee Miz is going to be a top star in the long run. He's the Jericho of this generation, not in skills because Jericho is far better than Miz in almost everything, but in the fact that he can go from the midcard to main event without much trouble. Jericho winning the Undisputed title and beating Rock/Austin in the same night put him over for life, just like Miz beating Cena at WM will always help him be over as a big deal. I'm not worried about the Miz, they're just pushing different guys now (another thing that is whined about that they never do, but when they finally do no one gives them credit for it).

    Like I said, you'll never give credit for anything good and always focus on the negative. No credit for how well the Punk/Jericho storyline has been, no credit for giving new guys a shot, only focus on what should be done. It's never going to be perfect but some people are just never going to be satisfied with the product, so there's no point in trying to appease them.
     
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    cant recall saying Cena is evil. In fact I believe I said I really like his ability to go off on his own thing like they are letting him do now. he has come out of this Rock thing looking pretty good and more interesting than he has been in years.

    Punk got over from his little rant. That put him over before that he was in mid card to upper card limbo. He was missing that one little thing. He started being himself and went off on the industry and it put him over with just about everyone from the internet to the common fan. He went over big time for it.

    Daniel Bryan is a no selling vanilla midget. One of the poorer choices for champ in the last years. Nothing about him is entertaining at all and yes I fast forward through alot of his stuff on raw and smackdown. He just sucks and the WWE let the internet smarks influence them on bryan because they seem to think guys from ROH are good.

    Miz got buried. Also got blamed for things like bad ppv numbers. Guys just seem to not like him and for whatever reason he got buried. Wish I knew why because at this time last year he was the one of the faces of the company then ends up in the dog house big time and jobbing out.

    there is good with some of it and thats why I watch but there are problems and yes big ones. the product has gone down in quality and I just dont agree with you on that they are doing alot of good things.

    Also calm down. its a forum talk about wrestling no need to get all huffy we can disagree its ok.
     
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    You really think creative has nothing to do with some of the stuff Cena is doing now? That's what I'm talking about, whenever a storyline goes well you give credit to the performer but none to creative. Exactly.

    Again, creative told Punk the outline for that storyline. That entire storyline was well scripted by creative, up until the Punk return and Summerslam stuff which sucked.

    Seeing as how almost everyone smark or not disagrees w/ your assessment of Bryan, I'll just chalk it up to him being not your type. There's guys out there that think Jessica Alba is ugly. :)

    You believe everything you read on the dirt sheets? How cute.

    Like I said they're just trying to get other guys over and using Miz as an enhancement talent.

    Yeah there are problems but it's never going to be the Attitude Era again. Different time, different fanbase now. So for what the product was in 08-09ish compared to now, it's better now. Is it perfect? No. But is it god awful like you make it seem? No.

    No one is seriously angry about this man, I'm just expressing my opinion.

    And one last thing (for anyone that wants to watch since I'm sure you won't) - Goldberg did do more than 2 moves FWIW.
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    well Daniel Bryan gashed open Sheamus with a belt shot at a house show so thats now two guys he has hurt because he sucks. First he concusses orton with a shot now cuts up Sheamus. Bet he no sold something as well on his way to doing it. :)
     
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    I dont hate D. Bryan as much as Mav, but he does pretty much suck. Whats he gonna do with this 15 year old looking girl who comes down to the ring with him? That dont look right.

    With Tensai/A-Train It would be no huge surprise if they have him steamroll some mid card guy like Kofi, then get in a fued with Cena/Orton get buried and either retire or make another run as IGWP Tag Champ.

    They might as well Bring back Scott Norton at leasthe was IWGP champ two times. Never got over that much in the states though.

    With Nexus. They had potential with Barrett as the leader. Otunga/Gabriel could have made a decent tag team. Skip and Darren would not have fit though, and Tarver could only play the role as hired muscle so he was just extra meat to fill the numbedrs up.

    The biggest problem with Nexus was just how big of a clown Slater was/is. The Gimmick sucked, he sucks, his look is terrible and will never get better.

    I think creative is getting handcuffed by Vince a little as far as the Cena thing goes. I think even Cena wants to change it up a little but he sells to many t shirts and toys to lose it when nobody is showing that they can step up and take that spot.

    WCW had people ready when Hogan went nWo and the fact that nWo was so over that a no talent @$$clown with 3 moves like Bill G@yberg could be the biggest face in wrestling for a year.

    WWE dowent want to take the chance that Shamus can replace Cena and draw like that, becuase more than likly he can not. But they are not thinking how much Cena would go over with other people like Hogan eventually did. An Evil Cena could push Shamus to be huge
     
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    I just dont get him. sure he can move in the ring when he isnt no selling but he is just boring and sucks. He is there because the indy fan boys love him because he is true wrestling somehow.

    The one man rock band doesnt do it for you?

    Nexus was good. Legit good. When they tore down the ring and where beating the hell out of people it was good to see a faction that wasnt the spirit squad. They dropped the ball on it by ending it to fast and splitting it. I never wanted to see it reach NWO size as that was crazy but they really had something with that group. Barrett carried a group and made them all better.

    You hit the nail on the head. People forget Hogan was getting booed before the turn. People had enough of his hulking up and always being the good guy. Cena is on that line so within a year or so a heel turn wouldnt hurt. Problem is the roster is to thin to get a guy really pushed to counter that turn. you cant do it with one of the older guys and I thought it was gonna be wasted on Ryder.

    I would like to see it involve Barrett somehow. He is one guy i really enjoy watching. that elimanation chamber before he got hurt I really was into it with him and Cody Rhodes. the ending was blah but the start of that match was good.
     
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    The one man rock band sucks.

    Its is sligtly worse than the tank with the ferrari engine.

    I remeber in high school there was chick, lets say her name was Kate Smith. She was the goalie on the filed hockey team. She was fat no doubt about it. But for a high school goalie a slow fat chick that aint scared to absorb shots is all you you need when you have enough butch chic atheletes to comepensate. They called her Kat The Wall Smith" i made a commnet once about it was bad nickname becasue it just brought out the obvious fact that she was fat. Plus it was unoriginal.

    The Tank with the ferrari engine is in the same ballpark. You are bigger than everybody, but because you have ferrarir engine it means you are suposed to be faster. Well sorry husky (slang for fat) the only people you were faster then were monster heels over 7ft tall and mark Henry. mark Henry by the way would be the Titanic with an SR-71 engine that guy is legit athletic. husky is just plain husky. Ferrari engines dont have enough torque to move a tank, so how is that a good thing.

    Any way back to slater.

    Question - Whats the worst part about calling yourself the one man rock band?

    A - Telling your dad you want him to meet your new roomate Orlando Jordan
     
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    mav, shut up.
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