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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by jamesblakefan#1, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. hollywood9826

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    Seems like Christians Ankle was less than good to go for mania. Instead of putting him into the 6 man match they are resting him up. Maybe a potential Christian vs punk fued starting up. Maybe halfway through the fued he and punk team up and start giving people con-chair-tos again.

    I dont see D. Bryan walking out with the Belt. I dont see Jericho walking out with the belt. I think they let Cody keep his belt as well. Maybe let him make a run at Honky Tonks 450 day IC champ record.

    I dont see taker losing

    I dont see Cena losing. But I am intersted to see what they due with the match to develop any kind of continuing story line.
     
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    Dusty Rhodes exceeded the mic skills of Flair. Not knocking Flair, just saying that there were indeed some others.

    A couple other points

    Daniel Bryan - I already went on record with this earlier, but he (and AJ) have been putting in some of the best work in the company, and to me the reason his match with Sheamus isn't getting more press is because of Sheamus. I have nothing against him, he just isn't really doing much that has impressed me.


    Heath Slater - mav, since you love to say that Bryan no-sells, I can't believe you don't love Slater, who is a machine at selling (much like Ziggler). I agree, the look and gimmick are awful, but he has much more talent than he's being given credit for.


    How about some WM predictions?
     
  3. maverick66

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    I dont see Bryan winning either. Sheamus is getting his push right now and they like him alot so I see this being his time to hold a belt for a little. I hope so he is really good and I want a him vs barrett feud when Wade gets back up.

    taker will win. Why kill the streak at this point. If they where gonna do it they where gonna do another legend killer Orton type push for someone. Instead they get the 3 old guys in it so no point in putting HHH over Taker.

    Cena will win and get booed. Which is a shame he is alot better than he gets credit for. He is just being pushed as Hulk Hogan jr. which is a shame because he is really good when he is himself.

    slater sells but sucks at every aspect of everything else. The guy cant talk and is just boring as hell. he is the new squash guy for a reason.

    Ziggler is one of the best talents they have. how he isnt being pushed into the title picture soon I dont know.

    Cant say I agree with you on Bryan. I cant think of any reason I would wanna watch him. If i wanted to see bryan like wrestling I would go to the local bingo hall when the local groups come around. He doesnt translate over to the WWE style of wrestling at all. that and he sucks.
     
  4. jamesblakefan#1

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    Mav (or hollywood, not sure who said this) one thing you're completely wrong on is WWE pushing Bryan as a favor to 'indy' fans. WWE has never pushed indy guys in the past. Colt Cabana, Kaval, heck even Tyler Black has been in developmental for over a year. Even Punk took forever before WWE finally gave him a real big shot at the top. WWE does NOT cater to indy smarks whatsoever, and that's not why they're pushing Bryan.

    It's obvious you guys just don't like his style, which is fine. That's whats great about wrestling, we all have preferences and guys for whatever reason we don't like. Bret Hart always bored me, though I respect what he brought, I just never was entertained by the guy.
     
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    the problem with the wwe is there is only two divisons- heavyweight titles and other. no real women's division, no real tag, etc. with darren yung, they didn't give him a chance. they botched his getting kicked out of nexus, they didn't even let him get a decent revenge plot. he jumped in to set up barret and his reward was an rko. after that he was never seen again. that's how you waste talent.
    the issue isn't about just main eventers, it's about the mid card and the lack of development of the whole roster. creative has to be blamed when star talent like mvp, gail kim and mickie james leave or are fired. not to mention getting rid of morrison and benjamin.
     
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    I feel they dont do a great job with promting the younger guys. They try to roll out a show like NXT, I felt it was sorta working. Nexus kinda took off, some of those guys were ready Barrett especially. Gabriel was ready to be a larger evan bourne type. Slater was ready to be Orlando Jordan's roomate in RoH or wherever Jordan is. For the record I liked Jordans in ring abilty and I think Slater has some in ring abiltiy as mentioned he takes a good beating. But Slater's look will never translate unless he plays a homosexual which I dont see the WWE doing like TNA tried to do with Jordan.

    As soon as Jordan came out he was gay I knew he was pretty much done. Its hard enough to popular as a black guy, but a bi-exual black guy forget about it.

    Morison was a nightmare backstage and more trouble than what his worth to the company was. Injured too much no mic skills. Kofi can take his place for acrobatics.

    With Shelton I'm not sure he was pretty good I thought. But his character was getting a little stale and I'm Im not sure he could be anyone else. He has failed to yet at least. The WWE can get good work for a cheaper price.

    Once thos pictures of Mickie came out where she was spread eagle hustler style and the other where a dude has his tongue in her crotch she had to go. Especially with Linda attempting to become a Senator.


    Gail kim was too good and made all the other Divas look bad. I'm sure she was not comfortbale with the lack of push and wasnt too sad to be leaving.
     
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    I agree that the women's division is crap now. I think I've already gone over how it's a far cry from the days of Lita/Trish/Victoria/etc. Back then you had almost two divisions in one, w/ legit people that could put on good matches like the ones I just listed, and the eye candy like Torrie and Stacy Kiebler who could also get in there occasionally but weren't relied on to carry the show in ring.

    It seems WWE saw what Trish was able to do and decided to make every former model a wrestler instead of letting them be the eye candy sideshow they should be (i.e. Kelly Kelly) and letting the ones that could wrestle wrestle. Maria Menunous actually isn't that bad in the ring, maybe b/c I expected so little seeing as how she's not a wrestler. But she's definitely hotter than all the divas they have now.

    I'm not a Morrison fan (actually kinda hated him) but if he's really working on improving like he says he is during his break, and can come back, he could be an effective heel w/ a good manager like Vickie. His best work was in ECW when he was a dbag heel and in the Miz/Mo tag team, again, as a heel. He always fell flat on the mic as a face. Though this vid is pretty damn good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpFAMI3odNM
     
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    The john morrison rap had me laughing. That was some funny stuff. guy had all the in ring ability you need but wow just could not get over on the mic. also it hurts when you get walked on by your gf in front of everyone and then take her side when she *****es non stop about everything.

    I cant say I watch the women anymore. Sure they are pretty but its just one bad move after another. its a shame Beth and Nattie can wrestle but are just wasted. The TNA knockouts can wrestle really well but work for TNA so that hurts them.
     
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    ^^^^

    Rafa looks a little scared :)

    Yea the women suck.

    You have to put some women with talent in there. There are plenty of athletic women that are hot and actually have ability. I always thought Maryse had potential. She was super hot and knew how to play that 8itch role about as good as could be done.

    But all they got riggt now is Beth and natty and they have been partners for forever. Karma works because she's just big and strong. But the pregnancy and eventual mis carriage kinda hurts the monster heel thing. Although she was getting huge pops when she was coming down and squashing whoever was in the ring. So there could be some face potential with the eventual Beth vs Karma fued. Karma beats Beth then Hatty treis to get revenge while the rest of the chics have bra and panties matches. That was pretty much the formula back in the day.
     
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    Everyone watching WM tonight? Lets have a live chat, ill be here.
     
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    The stage is pretty epic. Mav and hollywood's favorite to open the show.

    OMG WTF?!?!? Are you serious? :lol:
     
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    The stage IS epic, and holy hell at the LED screen covering the cell, that's so beast! And yeah im pissed at the opening match. Terrible decision.
     
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    Omg the HIAC is NOW??
     
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    That was a great freaking match. Great. Great way to end w/ the 3 old guys walking off into the sunset. Very emotional.
     
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    That was my childhood right there. That was BEAUTIFUL. Absolutely beautiful at the end. Emotional indeed.
     
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    The only Wrestling I watch these days is Wrestlemania, and unless it's Hulk Hogan or any of the guys who were in the N64 game WWF No Mercy, I don't know them :s

    Sad to see HHH go, he was one of the guys I did know.

    I saw the Shaun Michaels/Undertaker retirement match a few years ago, and that was something truly special. I don't think this year lived up to that one for drama or excitement (or brutality), but it would be hard to do so, and it was still very entertaining nonetheless.

    Anyone catch a glimpse of Tyson there? I can't get over how much he's changed. Built like a tank in his prime, hugely overweight a few years ago, and now looking really quite trim :shock:
     
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    I don't think HHH's officially retired yet, though that seems to be the direction they're going. Supposedly someone big may show up later, but I won't spoil it.

    Tyson's a vegan now, so that may explain his trim figure.
     
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    I heard about that someone big. I couldn't STAND HIM when he was around, but the product needs all the spicing up it can get these days so I hope he really does show up :)
     
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    Is that someone big as in the final fight tonight? I've seen a few videos hyping it up so I know who it is (I won't say anything either, just in case).

    Looking forward to it though :)
     
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    Everyone knows Rock's gonna be there, heard he may have company though. I hope not honestly, hope this match ends w/o interference.
     
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    Wow The Rock makes Cena look small
     
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    The Rock's moving like a Ninja!
     
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    Whew, thank God that wasn't it lol
     
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    WHOOOOOA I wasn't expecting that but I like it :)
     
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    What a finish! 8)
     
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    best work daniel bryan has ever done. someone finally got him out of the ring quick.

    I didnt get all emotional over the HHH/Undertaker thing. Its an end of that era but lets be honest that era ended years ago. its a shame as it was a good one but they got old and its showed.

    Punk/ jericho lacked something. I am not sure what but it felt flat. Two good performers that did not click.

    Cena/Rock was good. Better than i expected. rock did really good for a guy away for so long. Shame its a one time thing because they could really use him in the company.

    Also what a disgrace that the divas joke of a match got more time than the world heavyweight and intercontental matches. 4 guys got crapped on tonight for that to go on.
     
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    Didnt watch the show. I simply dont have any friends that would be up to coming over and watching it. And Im not going to pay the 60 bucks myself.

    For the most what I thought was gonna happen happened.

    Im assuming Cody Rhodes is going to get a title push or they wouldnt have had him drop the strap.

    Im also wondering what they do with Cena. You have Lord Tensai set to come in.

    WWE were in discussions with Brock Lesnar and have apparently signed him to one year deal. Its not a full time gig but if the reports are accurate he will be around quite a bit. Im wondering if he brings sable along with him. I wonder what she even looks liek now. Word has it Sable was bangin taqker after she left Mero, then was bangin brock while she was bangin taker. Left taker for brock hence the animosity between the two. Taker is now bangin michelle mccool is rumeroed to be coming back soon after healing up and helping taker get healed up.

    Also rumored that WWE execs picked Batista up from the airpport in Miami and gave him a ride to the arena. Bataista has been very critical of the WWE lately but has never undersold his passion and enjoyment for the business. So maybe its possible he worked somethign out. I dont think he burned his bridges as he never singled out Vince or made anything perosnal to my opinion.

    Raw should be interesting. Especially if Brock and Batista both show up, even one of those gyus would be a big deal.
     
  29. Ronaldo

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    Odd Rock gets so much love and Cena gets little when both repeat the same signature moves.
     
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    But Rock hasnt been around in so long. And when rock was going strong his matches had a different feel to them. As in each match felt different. John Cena in the past couple years every match has felt the same (besides last night if I can truct the play-by-play).

    Cena comes out gets some early offense going. His opponet does some kind of underhanded move to gain control of the match before beating him down for 5 straight minutes. Just when he is about done the opponet throws Cena into the ropes and get two or three flying shoulder butts to the head followed by bulldog, 5 knuckle shuffle, AA three count. Sometimes it the belly to back looking suplex instead of the bulldog and sometimes it the STF and not the AA. But the general feel of all the macthes are the same. Or were the same until last night where he was reportedly the sggresor for the majority of the match. Got cocky tried to do a peoples elbow and got rock bottomed.
     
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    Yes, Cena paid the price for mocking the Rock. Not sure what Cena losing accomplishes.
     
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    Thats what I'm unsure of as well. I bet the WWE will do nothing to develop any kind of story off of this match. Cena will probably just get in a fued and stomp some new heel type and continue to sell T-Shirts at an astronomical rate. People are saying that with this loss a Cena heel turn is on the horizon. I dnot the WWE is ready to lose that revenue stream.

    Unless there is some truth to the Batista and Lesnar rumors.

    Also someone said that the Miz is now 3-0 at wrestlemania counting the team johhny victory.

    What does Johhny Ace do tonight now that he has control of both shows? do they go back to having superstars on both shows? Will they still have a draft? There is some things that can built upon.
     
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    Don't give me that argument. Austin, Hogan, HBK, Rock, Taker, Flair, HHH, all have basic general match structures that you can pretty much say the majority of their matches follow. There's no reason to bash Cena for this when practically EVERY top star that's existed since...well, ever, has the same calling card. Now if you want to say that you just don't like Cena's match structure in particular, that's fine, but pretty much every top star has a somewhat predictable match structure that most matches follow, outside of a few outliers here and there.
     
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    With Cena every match just feels generic. Im sure are alot of other factors to it. He does have some ability.

    Old School hogan matches were the same way (Hulk up, body slam leg drop) poeple were actually booing him in WCW (then cheering him in nWo).

    It was just in the late 90's nobody was just steamrolling everyone. Austin would lose, rock would lose, Taker, all those guys lose enough matches that it would deviate from the norm just enough.

    With Cena nothing new came around, besides them not calling it the FU and STFU. And becuase of that people are getting tired of it. Much like they did with Hogan. Kids who liked Cena 6-7 years ago are now getting into thier late teens probabaly much like I was with Hogan. The nWo was one of the greatest runs for me as wrestling fan and I would like to see Cena pull off something similar albeit toned down to PG.
     
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    Flair was predictable?
     
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    Look at the amount of guys Cena has lost to/put over in those 6+ years - Edge, Orton, JBL, Sheamus, Batista, Barrett, Miz, Punk, Del Rio, and now Rock. That's a lot of guys for the top guy to be losing to, and Austin/Rock didn't lose to nearly that many guys, and nowhere near as much as Cena has.
     
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    Good lord, the CROWD is insane on Raw tonight, good God!! And omg LESNAR, crazy!!
     
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    Heeeeeeeeeeeeee's Back!
     
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    I'm happy to see him back, hopefully he gets back in shape. I don't expect him to stay any longer than 1-2 years tho...hopefully I'm wrong.
     
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    be interesting to see how he does with the schedule. With his ailments I dont see how he will keep up a full schedule. I hope he does as I hate seeing people get sick and lose everything and they could really use his star power right now.
     
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    The initial report was a year deal with a less than full time schedule. I could see him being around a little more than Taker. Ramping up obviously for a run at WM 29. Maybe hes the guy that ends the streak. Im sure WWE wouldnt mind but I think Taker would put his foot down and not let himself lose to Brock.
     
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    Of course he's going to be around more than Taker. Taker only comes back now for what, 2 months and 1 match? I'm not buying into any of these reports about dates and whatnot, I'll just let it play out and see when and where he'll show up. I'm sure he'll be back next week, at least 'via satellite' to explain to Cena why he ran through him.

    I'm kinda disappointed that it couldn't have been a legit surprise. At least Rock returning was sorta surprising even though by the time it happened WWE had spoiled it themselves. When the whole crowd's chanting for Lesnar it ruins the shock factor IMO. But it was still great.
     
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    Agreed, if it was a LEGIT surprise and we had no clue it could have been one of the biggest returns in WWE history. Still is but could have been ridiculously surprising.
     
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    But if they dont leak hes coming abck the crowd aint shouting WE WANT LESNAR.

    Supossedly the deal is right now for 30-35 dates for lesnar in the next year. And WWE has the right to add more. So Lesanr twice a month aint so bad.

    Does he do his own Mic work though? He was never really comfortable on the camera. Either in WWE or UFC.

    Either way that F-5 looked pretty sweet.
     
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    Raws after wrestlemania have the best crowds of the year. That crowd last night was great and jumping on everything they could.

    Wasnt a fan of them screaming your a loser to Cena. Well being stale the guy has still busted his ass to go out every night and put on a show. Not many work harder than he does and its a shame that it isnt coming out in his character. at this point I dont want him to turn as it would just be a waste and basically he would be pandering to the crowd. Keep him face and let him fight with the heels but let him get more edgy in his feuds.
     
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    Miami is so pro Rock that its crazy.

    Not to mention the type of poeple that can afford to buy plane tickets, hotel rooms, and tickets to wrstlemania are more than likely staying for RAW and they hate Cena adds fuel to the fire. Plus the Promo Cena cut the week before stating how he will not lose set all that up.

    Its pretty obvious at this point he is gonna start somethign with Brock. Unless Brock brings in a manager I dont see him pulling off the monster heel thing. Cena may end up heel by default.

    But I agree he does not have to turn att his point. Just keep his current momentum. The people who love him will continue to love him and the haters will continue to hate. Thats really whats important. You dont have to be a bonafide bad guy. You just have to incite a reaction one way or another. And as much as I dislike Cena and hate to see him win all the time. Its great to see him lose. Im glad they are doing somethign with him now that has potential to go somewhere at least.
     
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    One thing I didnt get was why let Brock come in and f-5 him without even a fight. Kinda makes you go wtf when he does it which gets the reaction but at the same time no fight back at all?

    Cena gets crapped on because he is Hulk Hogan all over again. Which is good and bad. Hulk in his prime was the best ever. His impact outside of wrestling was bigger than any wrestler will ever do. Even the likes of Stone Cold and the Rock did not make the impact Hulk did. The issue is Hulk Hogan was perferct for the 80's. The time period was different and there was no internet to know what was really going on. Sure we knew it was scripted but you didnt have dirt sheets all the time so things where exciting. They wanna make Cena Hulk all over again but its kind of an impossible thing to do. The product isnt as over the top goofy anymore or cutting edge. Its a great variety show but its not really what it was so you cant replicate what you have done in the past.
     
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    Even Hogan was getting stale in the late 90's. People dont take kindly to the announcers This who you are going to like because we say you should like him. That is almost instant rebellion now.

    It was also pretty funny how the Lord Tensai thing sorta backfired with everyone calling A-Train anyway.

    I still think Alex Riley has some potential as well, but I thought that about Dibiase and McGilicuty. Dont know why he just didnt go by Henning though. Is being Mr. Perfects son and Larry the Axe's grandson that bad you have to call yourself McGillicuty?
     
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    That crowd stunk. But I shouldn't be surprised that you guys loved it. They ruined every good match, any remotely good promo, by shouting yes like a bunch of jackasses. I was fine with the chanting during Rock's promo, even fine w/ it during the Cena/Lesnar segment, but I don't need to hear yes during a good Henry/Punk match.

    It ruined everything. Don't tell me that was a 'attitude era' crowd, AE crowds would go apes hit but wouldn't chant random stuff just to chant. It's like these idiots think the show is more about them and trying to get their boy DBry over then actually watching the freaking show. They booed Sheamus for no reason. It wasn't his decision to squash Bryan, but they took it out on him. Totally unfair.
     
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    Hogan was a product of the late 80's early 90's when wrestling was still about over the top gimmicks and he was the best at it. I dont care how many 60 min matches Flair put on Hogan was the best of all time. People forget how big Hulkamania was and the WWE is trying to get that with the Cena nation. Problem is different era and totally different crowds.

    The young guys just seem to lack steam to the top. They dont have that it factor to go over it seems. Hennig Jr I have no clue why he is running from that legacy. His dad was a very good wrestler. Alex Riley has a clean cut look but keeps getting squashed same with Dibiase. Every time you think here comes their push they get squashed or some dumb angle where they job out to others.

    Ok I agree with you about the yes chants. That was silly and Daniel Bryan stole that from Diego Sanchez anyways.

    I think it was just fun to see energy in a crowd again. The crowds in wrestling have been just flat lately so to see energy was fun. The pop for lesner just felt like old crowds again. When people would jump up and scream for their favorite wrestlers when the music hit.
     

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