WTA vs ATP

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  1. TENNIS2

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    Which player on the WTA can compete with the boys in the ATP, and who can they beat? I was watching Lindsey Davenport a while back and she was playing so well with such precision on her shots and the her awesome back hand. I thought she could beat some of the men on a technical level assuming equal strength. What do you think?
     
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  2. Talent

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    The thought that is widely accepted around these parts, I believe, is that a 5.5 NTRP level man could beat a player on the WTA. In no offense to women, men naturally do possess more physical strength. If it came down to a mental game, there could be a chance a man would get overwhelmed.
     
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    Strength is one thing, movement is another. Davenport can't move well enough to defeat a man. There isn't a ranked player in the ATP who would lose to anyone ranked in the WTA.
     
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  4. Rickson

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    Davenport wouldn't even beat Donald Young.
     
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    Kim Clijsters, at the time when she still was hangin' with Lleyton, played him a bunch of times and she said she had absolutely no chance to even get a game off of him, he was way too fast and strong for her. Bearing in mind that Kim is on top of women's game, it kind of answers your question.
     
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  6. Matthew

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    Gotta disagree with that. Some of these girls are in fantastic shape and have better movement then some of the men on tour. Davenport would be destroyed, but someone like Clijsters or Venus could definetely put up some W's against a few of the ATP's top 50.
     
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    You just opened up a huge can of worms! I pity you.
     
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    The Williams sisters would be crying if they ever attempted such a move :mrgreen: , i would love too see Roger pull and overhead smash into one of the Williams sisters.
     
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    As they say on the game shows, name that player.


    BAP! Time's up. Even if you gave an answer, it was wrong.
     
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  10. Talent

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    I have to strongly disagree here. If you add another zero and drop another five-hundred, then we would be talking. Have you seen the range of talent in the men's game?! Whereas it drops in the WTA....
     
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  11. rilokiley

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    my coach told me one of the spanish players--I'm pretty sure it was Sanches-Vicario--played a nationally ranked junior and lost miserably.
     
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  12. edberg505

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    Sounds about right to me. And even then it would only be the top 20 or so women who could compete anyways.
     
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  13. Chadwixx

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    my buddy rodrigo used to travel with her as a hitting partner. he said he could take her pretty easy.

    another friend of mine used to travel with navratalova when she was in her prime. he could only have 1 first seve, and couldnt hit winners. the closest she got was 6-3
     
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  14. rilokiley

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    And what was Rodrigo's NTRP? 5.0-5.5 i presume?
     
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  15. Chadwixx

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    nah did some satalites. a little guy 5'4, but a good baseline game. an equal player with more size and power would have destroyed her even more. i think she picked him cause he played a simliar game to the wta, no 130mph serves and stuff.
     
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  16. Ravi

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    Oh brother. Someone's never heard the Karsten Braasch story.
     
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  17. The tennis guy

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    You have no idea what you are talking about. Now I know why you insisted a couple of years ago Roddick would be better than Federer because you couldn't tell the difference.
     
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  18. rilokiley

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    Ya, isn't that the German dude that handled the Williams sisters with ease AFTER playing a round of golf and drinking some beer? haha
     
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  19. ktncnttl

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    No, it never happened.
     
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  20. Matthew

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    When did I suggest that?

    Anyway - to name some players, anyone who has a lot of go for broke shots and not mentally stable. Gonzo? Paradorn maybe? Massu? I'm not saying that I would FAVOR someone like Clijsters, but I'm sure she is capable of an upset. Obviously the biggest obstacle to overcome would be handling a 125-130MPH serve and mainting a high 1st serve % yourself.

    I'll be honest, I'm finding it difficult to defend my posisition, but I'm going to anyway.
     
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  21. TENNIS2

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    Yeah that's a funny story. But I think women can't compete with men in most sport is due to the physical difference (men being quicker, stronger, etc). As I mention in my original post, on a TECHNICAL level some women can compete with men. I stick by my observation that Linsey Davenport backhand is better than that of a lot of men, take Roddick's for example.
     
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  22. rilokiley

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    Oh...I seem to remembering reading something like that in Tennis magazine. ah well.
     
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  23. ktncnttl

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    Not really. Men hit with considerably more spin than women and that requires technic as well.
     
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    I think ktncnttl means according to the Williams sisters, it never happened. ;)
     
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  25. TENNIS2

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    I pleasantly disagree. Top spin is not hard to produce, it has more to do with racquet/string and strength than technique. Any player at pro level would know how to produce good spin. Why do you think men produce more spin than women, it's easier to believe that it's because of a difference in strength rather than a difference in skill.
     
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  26. randomname

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    no... not really,the only way you affect spin with your equipment is with the string pattern, has nothin to do with the type of string or racquet.
     
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  27. edberg505

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    Because that's how the chain smoking Karsten Braasch said he beat the Williams sisters. Basically said he used lots of spin that the women aren't used to seeing.
     
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    Matthew, yes some of the wta players could beat some of the atp players. I would wager that Henin could beat Dent or Sanguinetti. Clijsters might also beat some of the men. An in form Venus might pick off some guys too.

    The women hit with as much spin as the men and yes, often with as much pace.

    Most guys on this messageboard are so adamant that no wta players could beat atp players that it borders on psychotic. Just see the posts that come up. Stick to your position, I agree with you, but expect name calling and insults from many on this board who are insecure. This has been debated many times. Tennissavy took a whole lot of abuse for having your opinion on the matter. I remember very clearly. It will be repeated.
     
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  29. rilokiley

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    whoa, whoa, Dent? Sanguinetti?
    Are you serious?
     
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  30. Rickson

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    Justine could beat Taylor Dent? Justine has never seen a serve like Taylor's coming at her before. How would Justine pass him? I happen to be a Justine fan, but I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor bageled her if they played.
     
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    Why does it even have to be considered? As far as I can tell from all the expert opinion over the years the top women would get beaten by the top men in every case - it doesn't mean their game is any less worthy, that they are lesser athletes or that the men deserve more money. It just shows that its a fact that male players have more power than the women. I would rather watch Safin than Serena and I would rather watch Clijsters than Fish but I wouldn't want to see them play each other!
     
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  32. marialover

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    For those people who think that wta players can't handle atp serves, just watch mixed doubles. Even in world team tennis, this year, Kournikova returned most of mardy Fish's huge first serves, some for clean winners. Henin and Clijsters, as well as most wta players today, return even better than Kournikova. I know this a very difficult thing for most male heterosexuals to accept but some wta players, ranked in the top 100 could beat some atp players also ranked in the top 100. I have to say most male heterosexuals because my life experience has shown this group to have the most trouble accepting losses to women. I have beaten many men, in tennis and in martial arts classes. The excuses are worse than the williams sisters. Sorry boys, some women can beat you. I would also like to say that I cannot think of any woman who could beat Federer but Dent, Sanguinetti, Karlovic, Christophe Rochus, Blake, Gambill, Fish, Santoro, Rusedski, Srichiphan and Henman are among those atp players who could lose to some wta players.
     
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  33. The tennis guy

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    I don't know who is psychotic. Have you attended ATP and WTA events in person? If you have, you couldn't tell the difference between men's tennis and women's?

    Ask Davenport if she could beat her husband who is tall, with big serve, and played at UCLA, not even ATP pro. She said no way.

    Those who insist women can compete against men on tour level in tennis are delusional.
     
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    Hahahahaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahahahhahaha
    marialover, all the players you mentioned are in top 50.
     
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    You wouldn't stand a chance against me in mixed martial arts. You'd have no chance of stopping my takedowns or my submissions. If I armbarred you, you'd have to tap or get a broken arm. If I rear choked you, you'd have to tap or you'd pass out. You just don't have the strength to compete against me and if you tell me you do, I seriously doubt you've ever bench pressed 345 lbs..
     
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  36. Kevin Patrick

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    Interesting logic. You say no woman can beat Federer. But that women can beat Henman or Santoro or Blake. Henman has beaten Federer. Santoro lost to Federer 7-5,7-6,7-6 at the US Open. Blake lost to Fed 7-5, 7-6 at Cincinnati.
    By that logic couldn't they beat Federer as well(or at least push him)?
     
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    Well, if one of these top women ever plays any men ranked anywhere near Dent or Sanguinetti, I'll gladly take any wager, for any sum, and give you substantial odds...

    No they don't. Sometimes they hit with as much pace, sometimes with as much spin, but not both...
     
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    The transitive property, extended far enough, could probably have me beating Federer...
     
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  39. marialover

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    Ok I'll indulge a little one on one argument, just this once, today. I never said, "no woman can beat Federer" Re-read my post. I just couldn't think of any women I believed could beat him.
    Another thing, just because player A beats player B, that doesn't mean that player c, If she beats player A, can beat player B.
     
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  40. rilokiley

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    I can't think of any women that could win a single point against Federer.

    Okay, since Federer is number one in the world I don't think it's fair to put him up against WTA players. what about Nadal vs. Henin... or Agassi vs. Henin...hmm or Coria vs whoever...
     
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    That too is an exxegeration.
     
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  42. rilokiley

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    Alright. How about one game?
     
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    Matthew: See what I mean? Everybody, insecure, is picking on me. You, being a guy, will deal with even more flack than me if you continue to share your opinion. Most guys on this board are insecure. Most guys I beat are insecure too. It's an insecure, male heterosexual thing. Hopefully, some of you guys, straight or not, will be secure enough to express an opinion that is similar to mine. I have broad enough shoulders to handle the abuse that will come my way. I probably won't be bothered responding to most of it because it will be a waste of time. I just know this thread is going to go on and on. A can of worms has been opened. The insecure guys can't handle the thought. If they were open-minded, forget about their security issues, they would politely read the posts but not attack.
     
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    Are you Kana?
     
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    No. I don't even know who Kana is. An ex girlfriend of yours?
     
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    Maybe the mods should check your IP. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now that you're not Kana, but give away some clues and I'll be all over you.
     
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    It's not that the posters on here that disagree with you are insecure. I am open-minded; I will appoligize if you can prove me wrong. at least from my experience, I just never lost to women who were at least 1 NTRP point above me, let alone to women with the same NTRP rating.
    and wasn't there, quite some time ago in Tennis magazin, an article about battle of sexes in which top women players said they couldn't beat any top 500 male players? I'm not saying it's a scientific proof or anything as it was just a survey, however, I think they know their tennis abilities better than us.
     
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    Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha, Ok, maybe I'll give you Gambill and that's if he played Clijsters or somebody like that. And that's cause Gambill just plain sucks right now. Hell, I could probably be him at this point and time. But man. Dent, Karlovic? That's just umm, laughable. Karlovic is the worst mover on the tour and I happen to think he would kill any of the top ten women. I mean if a chain smoking guy ranked 230 or so on the ATP tour whipped then Williams sisters when they were at the top of the women's tour then there's no way they'd be any of these guys now. What even makes you entertain the thought that any top ten women can beat any of the players that you mentioned? But the Henman and Dent comment. Like someone else on this board said, I would be shocked if Clijsters or Henin even got a game off of those guys. Those women have never even seen the likes of a S&Ver of those guys. It'd be nothing short of a clinic. Even Johnny Mac would torch them.
     
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  49. jhhachamp

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    I disagree very strongly with you here. Clijsters and Venus would be lucky to get a couple of games in a match against any top 50 ATP pro. When Venus and Serena were on top of the women's game, some no name pro beat them something like 6-1 each without even trying. He was smoking cigarretes during the match too I believe. And this guy was ranked like 300 or something I think.
     
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    I would definitely make that wager with Henin vs Dent or Sanguinetti. I would be willing to give you 100 to 1 odds. Henin's 1% chance of winning would be if they got a bad injury and couldn't move.

    All I can say about this is you have no clue.
     
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